Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?

[BDKJMU]

You keep doubling down on stupid Massive premium increases across the country, double to triple digit in the individual market, is not a success. Lack of choices across much of the country in the individual market isn't a success. People being forced off the plans they had before Obamacare isn't a success. People losing their doctors isn't a success- remember those lies you can keep your plan and doctor, and you would save money too? People losing their full time jobs due to Obamacare isn't a success. Obamacare is basically destroying the individual market..

Don't you live in AZ? Last fall:
Arizona Obamacare Plan To Jump By 116 Percent When Premiums Go Up Next Year
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/10/25/ ... -premiums/

I buy on the individual market, my premiums are about the same, I've kept all of my providers (except massage therapy ), was never forced off a plan, and still have a number of plans to chose from. I know this hasn't been the case for many and some of it has to do with the state you reside in, but at least it's possible through the ACA given the right circumstances and choices states make.

I also know of a few people who could either not afford insurance before the ACA or had issues with pre-existing conditions where it truly saved them.

Still not a fan of Obamacare though. The entire system is **** and in the long run, overhauls are like putting a new $3000 transmission in a $2500 car.

And someone mentioned employers above. Employers should not be responsible for providing health insurance. If they elect to do it as a benefit, fine, but they should not be coerced into it.

Maybe you're special? Last Oct:
"Substantial Premium Rate Increase for Washington State Residents in 2017

This morning the Washington State Office of the Insurance Commissioner (OIC) released the health insurance premium changes for 2017 in the individual market place. (here) The average increase is 13.6 percent....

......The national average increase for the most popular plans sold inside the exchanges in 2017 is 25 percent.....

.....Although Washington state seems to be doing better than other states in its individual market, there are some red flags in the OIC report. Premera Blue Cross and its subsidiary LifeWise, one of the state’s largest carriers, will no longer sell statewide and will stop selling plans outside of the exchange. Even inside the exchange, Premera asked for an 18.9 percent increase....."
https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/public ... ts-in-2017

[kalm]

I buy on the individual market, my premiums are about the same, I've kept all of my providers (except massage therapy ), was never forced off a plan, and still have a number of plans to chose from. I know this hasn't been the case for many and some of it has to do with the state you reside in, but at least it's possible through the ACA given the right circumstances and choices states make.

I also know of a few people who could either not afford insurance before the ACA or had issues with pre-existing conditions where it truly saved them.

Still not a fan of Obamacare though. The entire system is **** and in the long run, overhauls are like putting a new $3000 transmission in a $2500 car.

And someone mentioned employers above. Employers should not be responsible for providing health insurance. If they elect to do it as a benefit, fine, but they should not be coerced into it.

Maybe you're special? Last Oct:
"Substantial Premium Rate Increase for Washington State Residents in 2017

This morning the Washington State Office of the Insurance Commissioner (OIC) released the health insurance premium changes for 2017 in the individual market place. (here) The average increase is 13.6 percent....

......The national average increase for the most popular plans sold inside the exchanges in 2017 is 25 percent.....

.....Although Washington state seems to be doing better than other states in its individual market, there are some red flags in the OIC report. Premera Blue Cross and its subsidiary LifeWise, one of the state’s largest carriers, will no longer sell statewide and will stop selling plans outside of the exchange. Even inside the exchange, Premera asked for an 18.9 percent increase....."
https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/public ... ts-in-2017

Damn straight I'm special!

We switched from Premera to Grouphealth which just got bought out by Kaiser Permanente.

I have a kick ass broker who alerts me every November to changes and possible reasons to switch.

[Grizalltheway]

Maybe you're special? Last Oct:
"Substantial Premium Rate Increase for Washington State Residents in 2017

This morning the Washington State Office of the Insurance Commissioner (OIC) released the health insurance premium changes for 2017 in the individual market place. (here) The average increase is 13.6 percent....

......The national average increase for the most popular plans sold inside the exchanges in 2017 is 25 percent.....

.....Although Washington state seems to be doing better than other states in its individual market, there are some red flags in the OIC report. Premera Blue Cross and its subsidiary LifeWise, one of the state’s largest carriers, will no longer sell statewide and will stop selling plans outside of the exchange. Even inside the exchange, Premera asked for an 18.9 percent increase....."
https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/public ... ts-in-2017

Damn straight I'm special!

We switched from Premera to Grouphealth which just got bought out by Kaiser Permanente.

I have a kick ass broker who alerts me every November to changes and possible reasons to switch.

Is this what getting old is? Bragging about a fucking insurance broker?

[Ivytalk]

Damn straight I'm special!

We switched from Premera to Grouphealth which just got bought out by Kaiser Permanente.

I have a kick ass broker who alerts me every November to changes and possible reasons to switch.

Is this what getting old is? Bragging about a **** insurance broker?

Hell, no. I cut out the middleman and bought my own!

[kalm]

Damn straight I'm special!

We switched from Premera to Grouphealth which just got bought out by Kaiser Permanente.

I have a kick ass broker who alerts me every November to changes and possible reasons to switch.

Is this what getting old is? Bragging about a fucking insurance broker?

Quit harshing my mellow, man.

[Skjellyfetti]

Told by a Buffalo News reporter that the state’s largest loss of federal funds under the bill would be $3 billion annually that goes to the state’s Essential Health Plan, Collins said: “Explain that to me.”

The Essential Plan is an optional program under Obamacare, offered only by New York and Minnesota, that provides low-cost health insurance to low- and middle-income people who don’t qualify for Medicaid. State Health Department figures show that more than 19,000 people in Erie and Niagara counties were on the Essential Plan in January.

Asked by The Buffalo News if he was aware of the bill’s cut in funding to the Essential Plan, Collins said: “No. But it doesn’t surprise me for you to tell me that there were two states in the nation that were taking advantage of some other waiver program and New York was one of the two states.”

http://buffalonews.com/2017/05/04/colli ... ll-proves/

[Ivytalk]

Told by a Buffalo News reporter that the state’s largest loss of federal funds under the bill would be $3 billion annually that goes to the state’s Essential Health Plan, Collins said: “Explain that to me.”

The Essential Plan is an optional program under Obamacare, offered only by New York and Minnesota, that provides low-cost health insurance to low- and middle-income people who don’t qualify for Medicaid. State Health Department figures show that more than 19,000 people in Erie and Niagara counties were on the Essential Plan in January.

Asked by The Buffalo News if he was aware of the bill’s cut in funding to the Essential Plan, Collins said: “No. But it doesn’t surprise me for you to tell me that there were two states in the nation that were taking advantage of some other waiver program and New York was one of the two states.”

http://buffalonews.com/2017/05/04/colli ... ll-proves/

Buzz off, Jelly. They have to pass it to find out what's [not] in it.

[Grizalltheway]

Is this what getting old is? Bragging about a fucking insurance broker?

Quit harshing my mellow, man.

Sorry. What kind of office furniture does he have? Any plants?

[dbackjon]

Yes, BDKKKCUMU, it is a success.


Not for assholes like you, who hate Americans, but for those of us that support all Americans, it is.

You keep doubling down on stupid Massive premium increases across the country, double to triple digit in the individual market, is not a success. Lack of choices across much of the country in the individual market isn't a success. People being forced off the plans they had before Obamacare isn't a success. People losing their doctors isn't a success- remember those lies you can keep your plan and doctor, and you would save money too? People losing their full time jobs due to Obamacare isn't a success. Obamacare is basically destroying the individual market..

Don't you live in AZ? Last fall:
Arizona Obamacare Plan To Jump By 116 Percent When Premiums Go Up Next Year
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/10/25/ ... -premiums/

One of the issues that should be corrected is that Obamacare gives insurance companies too much power. Aetna pulled out of Arizona SOLELY because they were mad that Obama's DOJ blocked the merger with Cigna.

A law making it mandatory to offer Obamacare policies in any state that you offer ANY policies would put an end to the political games.


And again, I know you are too ignorant to comprehend this, but there were massive increases in premiums and limitations on doctors BEFORE Obamacare.

What individual market? For healthcare, there really wasn't an effective one.

[kalm]

Quit harshing my mellow, man.

Sorry. What kind of office furniture does he have? Any plants?

Well (thanks for asking) I'll have you know it's a VERY well appointed office, in a an old stone and mortar mansion complex on the South Hill, with lots of leather bound books, and oaken tables.

[dbackjon]

Sorry. What kind of office furniture does he have? Any plants?

Well (thanks for asking) I'll have you know it's a VERY well appointed office, in a an old stone and mortar mansion complex on the South Hill, with lots of leather bound books, and oaken tables.

Corinthian Leather?

[Ibanez]

Well (thanks for asking) I'll have you know it's a VERY well appointed office, in a an old stone and mortar mansion complex on the South Hill, with lots of leather bound books, and oaken tables.

Corinthian Leather?

It smells of rich mahogany.

[CAA Flagship]

Corinthian Leather?

It smells of rich mahogany.

....and tobacco spit.

[Ivytalk]

Well (thanks for asking) I'll have you know it's a VERY well appointed office, in a an old stone and mortar mansion complex on the South Hill, with lots of leather bound books, and oaken tables.

Corinthian Leather?

Quien es mas macho? Dbackjon...o Ricardo Montalban?

[dbackjon]

Corinthian Leather?

Quien es mas macho? Dbackjon...o Ricardo Montalban?

duh

[JohnStOnge]

Don't worry, John. You're no conservative. Go back to the intellectual honesty of Paul Krugman, Chris Matthews, and Eugene Robinson. You're more comfortable there.

Well, i do not consider health care a right. If I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee health care just like if I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee things like enough to eat or housing.

Label me as you wish. But whatever I am I have historically voted for what most would consider to be the more conservative of the two major party candidates in Presidential elections. Reagan twice. Bush the Elder. Dole. Bush the Younger twice. McCain. Romney.

I had, until 2016, also always voted for the Republican in every US House Race, every US Senate Race, every State House Race, and every State Senate Race. Every Louisiana Gubernatorial race.

But what's been going on with the Republican Party and/or the conservative movement over the past two years is just beyond the pale. Yes, I know they've been dishonest in the past. But it's just gotten totally out of hand now.

And it's extremely disappointing.

[cx500d]

Don't worry, John. You're no conservative. Go back to the intellectual honesty of Paul Krugman, Chris Matthews, and Eugene Robinson. You're more comfortable there.

Well, i do not consider health care a right. If I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee health care just like if I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee things like enough to eat or housing.

Label me as you wish. But whatever I am I have historically voted for what most would consider to be the more conservative of the two major party candidates in Presidential elections. Reagan twice. Bush the Elder. Dole. Bush the Younger twice. McCain. Romney.

I had, until 2016, also always voted for the Republican in every US House Race, every US Senate Race, every State House Race, and every State Senate Race. Every Louisiana Gubernatorial race.

But what's been going on with the Republican Party and/or the conservative movement over the past two years is just beyond the pale. Yes, I know they've been dishonest in the past. But it's just gotten totally out of hand now.

And it's extremely disappointing.

I agree with you...Its not a right. You can buy it just like any other service. You want legal advice? Hire a scum sucking bottom feeder... You want retirement advice? Hire a retirement planner. You want real estate advice? Hire a real estate agent....You want tranny surgery? Hire a medical doctor.

I identify as conservative as well, although I voted for Ross Perot in the 90's.

[Ibanez]

Don't worry, John. You're no conservative. Go back to the intellectual honesty of Paul Krugman, Chris Matthews, and Eugene Robinson. You're more comfortable there.

Well, i do not consider health care a right. If I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee health care just like if I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee things like enough to eat or housing.

Label me as you wish. But whatever I am I have historically voted for what most would consider to be the more conservative of the two major party candidates in Presidential elections. Reagan twice. Bush the Elder. Dole. Bush the Younger twice. McCain. Romney.

I had, until 2016, also always voted for the Republican in every US House Race, every US Senate Race, every State House Race, and every State Senate Race. Every Louisiana Gubernatorial race.

But what's been going on with the Republican Party and/or the conservative movement over the past two years is just beyond the pale. Yes, I know they've been dishonest in the past. But it's just gotten totally out of hand now.

And it's extremely disappointing.

You'd probably vote to enslave blacks


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[houndawg]

Corinthian Leather?

Quien es mas macho? Dbackjon...o Ricardo Montalban?

Los dos ellos mas macho que tu... y Tattoo también...

[houndawg]

Don't worry, John. You're no conservative. Go back to the intellectual honesty of Paul Krugman, Chris Matthews, and Eugene Robinson. You're more comfortable there.

Well, i do not consider health care a right. If I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee health care just like if I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee things like enough to eat or housing.

Label me as you wish. But whatever I am I have historically voted for what most would consider to be the more conservative of the two major party candidates in Presidential elections. Reagan twice. Bush the Elder. Dole. Bush the Younger twice. McCain. Romney.

I had, until 2016, also always voted for the Republican in every US House Race, every US Senate Race, every State House Race, and every State Senate Race. Every Louisiana Gubernatorial race.

But what's been going on with the Republican Party and/or the conservative movement over the past two years is just beyond the pale. Yes, I know they've been dishonest in the past. But it's just gotten totally out of hand now.

And it's extremely disappointing.

Why bother to have government at all?

[Ivytalk]

Well, i do not consider health care a right. If I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee health care just like if I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee things like enough to eat or housing.

Label me as you wish. But whatever I am I have historically voted for what most would consider to be the more conservative of the two major party candidates in Presidential elections. Reagan twice. Bush the Elder. Dole. Bush the Younger twice. McCain. Romney.

I had, until 2016, also always voted for the Republican in every US House Race, every US Senate Race, every State House Race, and every State Senate Race. Every Louisiana Gubernatorial race.

But what's been going on with the Republican Party and/or the conservative movement over the past two years is just beyond the pale. Yes, I know they've been dishonest in the past. But it's just gotten totally out of hand now.

And it's extremely disappointing.

Why bother to have government at all?

An excellent question.

[kalm]

Well, i do not consider health care a right. If I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee health care just like if I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee things like enough to eat or housing.

Label me as you wish. But whatever I am I have historically voted for what most would consider to be the more conservative of the two major party candidates in Presidential elections. Reagan twice. Bush the Elder. Dole. Bush the Younger twice. McCain. Romney.

I had, until 2016, also always voted for the Republican in every US House Race, every US Senate Race, every State House Race, and every State Senate Race. Every Louisiana Gubernatorial race.

But what's been going on with the Republican Party and/or the conservative movement over the past two years is just beyond the pale. Yes, I know they've been dishonest in the past. But it's just gotten totally out of hand now.

And it's extremely disappointing.

Why bother to have government at all?

Exactly!

[Skjellyfetti]

Old article, but just came across it.

Did not know that Truman tried to institute a national healthcare plan. Knew Nixon did... but, not Truman.

Back in 1945 — a mere seven months into a presidency he inherited from Franklin D. Roosevelt — Truman proposed a “universal” national health insurance program. In his remarks to Congress, he declared, “Millions of our citizens do not now have a full measure of opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health. Millions do not now have protection or security against the economic effects of sickness. The time has arrived for action to help them attain that opportunity and that protection.”

69 years ago, President Truman outlined five critical goals of national health.

The first was to address the number and disparity of physicians, nurses and other health professionals, especially in low-income and rural communities where there were “no adequate facilities for the practice of medicine” and “the earning capacity of the people in some communities makes it difficult if not impossible for doctors who practice there to make a living.” To begin to correct this problem, Truman wanted the federal government to construct modern, quality hospital across the nation—especially where they did not yet exist.

The second issue was the need to develop and bolster public health services (both to control the spread of infectious diseases and improve sanitary conditions across the nation) and maternal and child health care. With respect to the latter, Harry Truman reminded Congress, “the health of American children, like their education, should be recognized as a definite public responsibility.”

Third, he sought to increase the nation’s investment in both medical research and medical education.

The fourth problem addressed the high cost of individual medical care. “The principal reason why people do not receive the care they need,” Truman noted, “is that they cannot afford to pay for it on an individual basis at the time they need it. This is true not only for needy persons. It is also true for a large proportion of normally self-supporting persons.”

And fifth, he focused on the lost earnings that inevitably occur when serious illness strikes. “Sickness,” Truman cogently explained, “not only brings doctor bills; it also cuts off income.

Not surprisingly, it was President Truman’s proposal to fix the 4th and 5th problems with a national health insurance plan that provoked the loudest opposition. Truman proposed that every wage earning American pay monthly fees or taxes to cover the cost of all medical expenses in time of illness. The plan also called for a cash balance to be paid to policyholders, in the event of injury or illness, to replace the income those individuals lost.

His measured and careful description of the plan merits quoting:

“Under the plan I suggest, our people would continue to get medical and hospital services just as they do now — on the basis of their own voluntary decisions and choices. Our doctors and hospitals would continue to deal with disease with the same professional freedom as now. There would, however, be this all-important difference: whether or not patients get the services they need would not depend on how much they can afford to pay at the time…None of this is really new. The American people are the most insurance-minded people in the world. They will not be frightened off from health insurance because some people have misnamed it ‘socialized medicine.’ I repeat — what I am recommending is not socialized medicine. Socialized medicine means that all doctors work as employees of government. The American people want no such system. No such system is here proposed.”

The Truman plan was quickly converted into a Social Security expansion bill sponsored by Sens. Robert Wagner (D-NY) and James Murray (D-MT) and Rep. John Dingell Sr. (D-MI). A version of this bill had been proposed in 1943, when FDR was still president, but died in committee both because of the pressures of the war and the lack of presidential pressure on Congress.

At first, things looked somewhat rosy for the reinvigorated 1945 bill: the Democrats still controlled both the House of Representatives and the Senate and a number of prominent Americans vociferously supported it. Still, the nation was weary from war, the high taxes necessary to pay for FDR’s New Deal, and what many Americans perceived to be a too intrusive federal government.

Almost as soon as the reinvigorated bill was announced, the once-powerful American Medical Association (AMA) capitalized on the nation’s paranoia over the threat of Communism and, despite Truman’s assertions to the contrary, attacked the bill as “socialized medicine.” Even more outrageous, the AMA derided the Truman administration as “followers of the Moscow party line.” During congressional hearings in 1946, the AMA proposed its own plan emphasizing private insurance options, which actually represented a political shift from its previous position opposing any third party members in the delivery of health care.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/nov ... e-program/

[Ibanez]

Old article, but just came across it.

Did not know that Truman tried to institute a national healthcare plan. Knew Nixon did... but, not Truman.

Back in 1945 — a mere seven months into a presidency he inherited from Franklin D. Roosevelt — Truman proposed a “universal” national health insurance program. In his remarks to Congress, he declared, “Millions of our citizens do not now have a full measure of opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health. Millions do not now have protection or security against the economic effects of sickness. The time has arrived for action to help them attain that opportunity and that protection.”

69 years ago, President Truman outlined five critical goals of national health.

The first was to address the number and disparity of physicians, nurses and other health professionals, especially in low-income and rural communities where there were “no adequate facilities for the practice of medicine” and “the earning capacity of the people in some communities makes it difficult if not impossible for doctors who practice there to make a living.” To begin to correct this problem, Truman wanted the federal government to construct modern, quality hospital across the nation—especially where they did not yet exist.

The second issue was the need to develop and bolster public health services (both to control the spread of infectious diseases and improve sanitary conditions across the nation) and maternal and child health care. With respect to the latter, Harry Truman reminded Congress, “the health of American children, like their education, should be recognized as a definite public responsibility.”

Third, he sought to increase the nation’s investment in both medical research and medical education.

The fourth problem addressed the high cost of individual medical care. “The principal reason why people do not receive the care they need,” Truman noted, “is that they cannot afford to pay for it on an individual basis at the time they need it. This is true not only for needy persons. It is also true for a large proportion of normally self-supporting persons.”

And fifth, he focused on the lost earnings that inevitably occur when serious illness strikes. “Sickness,” Truman cogently explained, “not only brings doctor bills; it also cuts off income.

Not surprisingly, it was President Truman’s proposal to fix the 4th and 5th problems with a national health insurance plan that provoked the loudest opposition. Truman proposed that every wage earning American pay monthly fees or taxes to cover the cost of all medical expenses in time of illness. The plan also called for a cash balance to be paid to policyholders, in the event of injury or illness, to replace the income those individuals lost.

His measured and careful description of the plan merits quoting:

“Under the plan I suggest, our people would continue to get medical and hospital services just as they do now — on the basis of their own voluntary decisions and choices. Our doctors and hospitals would continue to deal with disease with the same professional freedom as now. There would, however, be this all-important difference: whether or not patients get the services they need would not depend on how much they can afford to pay at the time…None of this is really new. The American people are the most insurance-minded people in the world. They will not be frightened off from health insurance because some people have misnamed it ‘socialized medicine.’ I repeat — what I am recommending is not socialized medicine. Socialized medicine means that all doctors work as employees of government. The American people want no such system. No such system is here proposed.”

The Truman plan was quickly converted into a Social Security expansion bill sponsored by Sens. Robert Wagner (D-NY) and James Murray (D-MT) and Rep. John Dingell Sr. (D-MI). A version of this bill had been proposed in 1943, when FDR was still president, but died in committee both because of the pressures of the war and the lack of presidential pressure on Congress.

At first, things looked somewhat rosy for the reinvigorated 1945 bill: the Democrats still controlled both the House of Representatives and the Senate and a number of prominent Americans vociferously supported it. Still, the nation was weary from war, the high taxes necessary to pay for FDR’s New Deal, and what many Americans perceived to be a too intrusive federal government.

Almost as soon as the reinvigorated bill was announced, the once-powerful American Medical Association (AMA) capitalized on the nation’s paranoia over the threat of Communism and, despite Truman’s assertions to the contrary, attacked the bill as “socialized medicine.” Even more outrageous, the AMA derided the Truman administration as “followers of the Moscow party line.” During congressional hearings in 1946, the AMA proposed its own plan emphasizing private insurance options, which actually represented a political shift from its previous position opposing any third party members in the delivery of health care.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/nov ... e-program/

I haven't read the the link(yet) but I learned that a few months ago. I've been reading a biography on Truman and he's quickly becoming a favorite president.

I apologize in advance if this is already mentioned but when LBJ signed the Social Security Amendments into law in 1965, Truman was right there with him as it was signed Independence, MO.

Historically, I think some of the seeds of national health care goes as far back as Teddy Roosevelt's platform. Maybe Taft, I forget which one b/c those two were so very close.


Edit: Now that I've read the article (and saw the picture) I re-stated the history. Regardless.....

[CID1990]

Don't worry, John. You're no conservative. Go back to the intellectual honesty of Paul Krugman, Chris Matthews, and Eugene Robinson. You're more comfortable there.

Well, i do not consider health care a right. If I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee health care just like if I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee things like enough to eat or housing.

Label me as you wish. But whatever I am I have historically voted for what most would consider to be the more conservative of the two major party candidates in Presidential elections. Reagan twice. Bush the Elder. Dole. Bush the Younger twice. McCain. Romney.

I had, until 2016, also always voted for the Republican in every US House Race, every US Senate Race, every State House Race, and every State Senate Race. Every Louisiana Gubernatorial race.

But what's been going on with the Republican Party and/or the conservative movement over the past two years is just beyond the pale. Yes, I know they've been dishonest in the past. But it's just gotten totally out of hand now.

And it's extremely disappointing.

You may not consider it a right, but outside of what are considered to be the "natural rights" of The Enlightenment, a "right" is whatever a society decides it is.

Access to a free and appropriate public education is not what would be considered a natural right, but it has long been considered a right by Americans. It is because we say it is. If we say health coverage is a right, then it will be so.


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