The nub of the climate change thing problem

[LeadBolt]

I'm sure.

In fact I was replying to you in another thread with an article explaining it.

Is that the article where NASA debunked the deep ocean warming theory?

[JohnStOnge]

BTW when you go to the store you're doing that to buy stuff. You have to bring the stuff back. Walking to the store with a 2 year old might be OK. But walking back from the store with your arms carrying stuff while trying to tend to a 2 year old is a different matter.

Also a case could be made for the proposition that my grand daughter would've been at greater risk if I walked with her to the store than if I'd just stuck her in my truck without a car seat. There are no sidewalks and a short portion of the route is a State highway. You get the picture.

[BlueHen86]

BTW when you go to the store you're doing that to buy stuff. You have to bring the stuff back. Walking to the store with a 2 year old might be OK. But walking back from the store with your arms carrying stuff while trying to tend to a 2 year old is a different matter.

Also a case could be made for the proposition that my grand daughter would've been at greater risk if I walked with her to the store than if I'd just stuck her in my truck without a car seat. There are no sidewalks and a short portion of the route is a State highway. You get the picture.

WTF does this have to do with Global Warming? Sounds like another typical day of JSO trolling for minors.

[Ibanez]

I thought the same thing. Walk the two blocks.

Says two people without kids (except the newbie). We'll see how you feel about walking to the store here shortly, Mr. Ibanez.

True. Right now at 6lbs, I can easily carry her. But still, if the child can walk, then walk the 2 blocks.

[travelinman67]

All the AGS theories have been disproven...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/52 ... el-founder

No rising temperature
No disappearing ice cap
No rising ocean
No oceanic acidification

[BlueHen86]

All the AGS theories have been disproven...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/52 ... el-founder



No rising temperature
No disappearing ice cap
No rising ocean
No oceanic acidification

[JohnStOnge]

All the AGS theories have been disproven...

Good I like this forum better anyway.

[travelinman67]

So much for "warming theory"...

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014 ... on-record/

[BlueHen86]

So much for "warming theory"...

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014 ... on-record/

Well, that proves it: if the US is cooler (even for just one year), the whole world is cooler.

[travelinman67]

Chicago coldest in 110 years...

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/12/03/ ... 110-years/

[travelinman67]

As none of the UN IPCC climate models have been able to explain the last 16 year cooling "pause", a U.K. Prof. offers an alternative: "The Oceans Ate My Global Warming"...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/03/a ... -the-heat/

[D1B]

Chicago coldest in 110 years...

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/12/03/ ... 110-years/

[kalm]

The West Antarctic Ice Sheet Is Retreating at a Much Higher Rate Than Previously Thought

By Sarah Jane Keller

December 3, 2014 | 4:15 pm
The world has a lot at stake in keeping the West Antarctic ice sheet from melting. Should the frozen expanse fully disintegrate, scientists say, it could raise global sea levels by an average of four feet, submerging coastal cities, like Miami, Florida.

So the findings of a new study in the journal Geophysical Research Letters are cause for great concern. The researchers found that between 1992 and 2013 the glaciers shed an average of 91.5 billion tons of water per year. That's like shedding the weight of Mt. Everest, in ice, every two years. They also learned that the rate of melt has increased three-fold since 2003.

"I think that what are we seeing is a very compelling body of evidence that things are changing very fast," Isabella Velicogna, one of the study's coauthors and a geophysicist at the University of California, Irvine, told VICE News. "The warming is not going to decrease."

https://news.vice.com/article/the-west- ... ly-thought" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[kalm]

What would happen if we ended all carbon emissions today?

Slam on the climate brakes

What would happen to the climate if we were to stop emitting carbon dioxide today, right now? Would we return to the climate of our elders? The simple answer is no. Once we release the carbon dioxide stored in the fossil fuels we burn, it accumulates in and moves amongst the atmosphere, the oceans, the land, and the plants and animals of the biosphere. The released carbon dioxide will remain in the atmosphere for thousands of years. Only after many millennia will it return to rocks, for example, through the formation of calcium carbonate – limestone – as marine organisms’ shells settle to the bottom of the ocean. But on time spans relevant to humans, once released the carbon dioxide is in our environment essentially forever. It does not go away, unless we, ourselves, remove it.

If we stop emitting today, it’s not the end of the story for global warming. There’s a delay in temperature increase as the climate catches up with all the carbon that’s in the atmosphere. After maybe 40 more years, the climate will stabilize at a temperature higher than what was normal for previous generations.

This decades-long lag between cause and effect is due to the long time it takes to heat the the ocean’s huge mass. The energy that is held at the Earth by the increased carbon dioxide does more than heat the air. It melts ice; it heats the ocean. Compared to air, it’s harder to raise the temperature of water – it takes time, decades. However, once the ocean temperature is elevated, it adds to the warming of the Earth’s surface.

So even if carbon emissions stopped completely right now, as the oceans catch up with the atmosphere, the Earth’s temperature would rise about another 1.1F (0.6C). Scientists refer to this as committed warming. Ice, also responding to increasing heat in the ocean, will continue to melt. There’s already convincing evidence that significant glaciers in the West Antarctic ice sheets are lost. Ice, water, and air – the extra heat held on the Earth by carbon dioxide affects them all. That which has melted will stay melted – and more will melt.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/what ... ses-today/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The earth is a much bigger and more complex machine than most of realize. It's tough to reverse that momentum...

[HI54UNI]

What would happen if we ended all carbon emissions today?

Slam on the climate brakes

What would happen to the climate if we were to stop emitting carbon dioxide today, right now? Would we return to the climate of our elders? The simple answer is no. Once we release the carbon dioxide stored in the fossil fuels we burn, it accumulates in and moves amongst the atmosphere, the oceans, the land, and the plants and animals of the biosphere. The released carbon dioxide will remain in the atmosphere for thousands of years. Only after many millennia will it return to rocks, for example, through the formation of calcium carbonate – limestone – as marine organisms’ shells settle to the bottom of the ocean. But on time spans relevant to humans, once released the carbon dioxide is in our environment essentially forever. It does not go away, unless we, ourselves, remove it.

If we stop emitting today, it’s not the end of the story for global warming. There’s a delay in temperature increase as the climate catches up with all the carbon that’s in the atmosphere. After maybe 40 more years, the climate will stabilize at a temperature higher than what was normal for previous generations.

This decades-long lag between cause and effect is due to the long time it takes to heat the the ocean’s huge mass. The energy that is held at the Earth by the increased carbon dioxide does more than heat the air. It melts ice; it heats the ocean. Compared to air, it’s harder to raise the temperature of water – it takes time, decades. However, once the ocean temperature is elevated, it adds to the warming of the Earth’s surface.

So even if carbon emissions stopped completely right now, as the oceans catch up with the atmosphere, the Earth’s temperature would rise about another 1.1F (0.6C). Scientists refer to this as committed warming. Ice, also responding to increasing heat in the ocean, will continue to melt. There’s already convincing evidence that significant glaciers in the West Antarctic ice sheets are lost. Ice, water, and air – the extra heat held on the Earth by carbon dioxide affects them all. That which has melted will stay melted – and more will melt.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/what ... ses-today/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The earth is a much bigger and more complex machine than most of realize. Only man is arrogant enough to think that they can change it.

FIFY.

[kalm]

What would happen if we ended all carbon emissions today?



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/what ... ses-today/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The earth is a much bigger and more complex machine than most of realize. Only man is arrogant enough to think that they can change it.

FIFY.

Man has changed it.

[Chizzang]

If you've ever seen the Colorado river (pictures from 1880's and pictures from today)
You know "man can change" all kinds of sh!t

There are people alive today in their 70's who can describe areas of the Colorado
that used to be a couple hundred feet wider than it is today



7 billion humans is NOT just some benign crab grass over growth... that is 7 billion top predators

[travelinman67]

If you've ever seen the Colorado river (pictures from 1880's and pictures from today)
You know "man can change" all kinds of sh!t

There are people alive today in their 70's who can describe areas of the Colorado
that used to be a couple hundred feet wider than it is today



7 billion humans is NOT just some benign crab grass over growth... that is 7 billion top predators

Hippie...

...you are fucked up.

[Chizzang]

If you've ever seen the Colorado river (pictures from 1880's and pictures from today)
You know "man can change" all kinds of sh!t

There are people alive today in their 70's who can describe areas of the Colorado
that used to be a couple hundred feet wider than it is today



7 billion humans is NOT just some benign crab grass over growth... that is 7 billion top predators

Hippie...

...you are fucked up.

Hey look I don"t care about Global Climate Change
I never have and I never will

But to say:
"Man can't effect anything on this planet" is just plain STUPID
And yes STUPID is the only word to properly describe that attitude

1) We have Nuclear Weapons
2) We can and do DAM Rivers
3) We can over fish rivers and seas (see: Salmon)

and on and on....
The list is ENDLESS of stuff we're capable of massively fucking up

All that said: Do I blame population for Global Climate Issues..?
Answer: Meh... who knows
But lets stop pretending that its only mans ego
That says we're capable of destroying or severely altering this planet

We have the power to completely FUCK IT UP
We have enough Nuclear weapons to turn it into the moon

[travelinman67]

Hippie...

...you are fucked up.

Hey look I don"t care about Global Climate Change
I never have and I never will

But to say:
"Man can't effect anything on this planet" is just plain STUPID
And yes STUPID is the only word to properly describe that attitude

1) We have Nuclear Weapons
2) We can and do DAM Rivers
3) We can over fish rivers and seas (see: Salmon)

and on and on....
The list is ENDLESS of stuff we're capable of massively fucking up

All that said: Do I blame population for Global Climate Issues..?
Answer: Meh... who knows
But lets stop pretending that its only mans ego
That says we're capable of destroying or severely altering this planet

We have the power to completely FUCK IT UP
We have enough Nuclear weapons to turn it into the moon

No argument that Nuclear war would muck up the planet.

Asserting significant environmental damage by dams, though, is just myopic. Nth degree protection IS NOT REALISTIC.

Asserting that humanity is our planet's "top predator", is equally unrealistic.

We've talked about this many times. Solar storms, microorganisms, asteroid strikes, natural disasters are all more likely to cause catastrophic environmental damage.

We'll just have to disagree about perceptions of man's ego. I am confident that a belief in man's ability to "control" and ultimately "destroy" his natural domain, is founded more on flawed narcissism and arrogance than fact.

[travelinman67]

NPR interviews propogandist Google's Eric Schmidt...

http://m.townhall.com/columnists/pauldr ... d-n1935798

[houndawg]

Hippie...

...you are **** up.

Hey look I don"t care about Global Climate Change
I never have and I never will

But to say:
"Man can't effect anything on this planet" is just plain STUPID
And yes STUPID is the only word to properly describe that attitude

1) We have Nuclear Weapons
2) We can and do DAM Rivers
3) We can over fish rivers and seas (see: Salmon)

and on and on....
The list is ENDLESS of stuff we're capable of massively **** up

All that said: Do I blame population for Global Climate Issues..?
Answer: Meh... who knows
But lets stop pretending that its only mans ego
That says we're capable of destroying or severely altering this planet

We have the power to completely **** IT UP
We have enough Nuclear weapons to turn it into the moon

He says stuff like this out loud and then wonders why he's the forum laughingstock....

Closed circuit to Tbag: Its "affect" dumbass. Pay attention when I'm talking to ya, son; I won't always be here to help you through life...

[travelinman67]

But to say:
"Man can't effect anything on this planet" is just plain STUPID
And yes STUPID is the only word to properly describe that attitude

1) We have Nuclear Weapons
2) We can and do DAM Rivers
3) We can over fish rivers and seas (see: Salmon)

and on and on....
The list is ENDLESS of stuff we're capable of massively **** up

All that said: Do I blame population for Global Climate Issues..?
Answer: Meh... who knows
But lets stop pretending that its only mans ego
That says we're capable of destroying or severely altering this planet

We have the power to completely **** IT UP
We have enough Nuclear weapons to turn it into the moon

He says stuff like this out loud and then wonders why he's the forum laughingstock....

Closed circuit to Tbag: Its "affect" dumbass. Pay attention when I'm talking to ya, son; I won't always be here to help you through life...

Densedawg, you stupid fuck, the alleged "effect" misuse was Hippie's attempt to paraphrase (summarize) my assertion: I never made that statement: Your criticism was misdirected.

Go fuck off, Troll.

[AZGrizFan]

He says stuff like this out loud and then wonders why he's the forum laughingstock....

Closed circuit to Tbag: Its "affect" dumbass. Pay attention when I'm talking to ya, son; I won't always be here to help you through life...

Densedawg, you stupid fuck, the alleged "effect" misuse was Hippie's attempt to paraphrase (summarize) my assertion: I never made that statement: Your criticism was misdirected.

Go fuck off, Troll.

I laughed when I saw that.

[houndawg]

He says stuff like this out loud and then wonders why he's the forum laughingstock....

Closed circuit to Tbag: Its "affect" dumbass. Pay attention when I'm talking to ya, son; I won't always be here to help you through life...

Densedawg, you stupid ****, the alleged "effect" misuse was Hippie's attempt to paraphrase (summarize) my assertion: I never made that statement: Your criticism was misdirected.

Go **** off, Troll.

Just wanted to see if you're out of bed yet.