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CID1990 wrote:
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I don't think there's be any "stay on point" at all. I just think that it'd be a smack talk contest. He did great doing that against traditional politicians. That young woman is not a traditional politician. I think he'd find himself outmatched trying to maintain a smack talk contest against her. I think she'd smack him around pretty good.
And therefore she would win with her base, and he’d win with his base

And how is she not the lefty Trump?
And I think she would "win" with respect to the "middle" in that when the smoke cleared most of them would think she kicked his ass. Doesn't necessarily mean she'd make political progress. But I think she'd embarrass him.

I think she is different from Trump in that, in spite of her flamboyance, she really does have a general philosophy of government she cares about. I don't think he does at all. I think if he woke up tomorrow and became convinced that expressing flaming liberal positions would benefit him he'd express flaming liberal positions.
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CID1990 wrote:
And therefore she would win with her base, and he’d win with his base

And how is she not the lefty Trump?
And I think she would "win" with respect to the "middle" in that when the smoke cleared most of them would think she kicked his ass. Doesn't necessarily mean she'd make political progress. But I think she'd embarrass him.

I think she is different from Trump in that, in spite of her flamboyance, she really does have a general philosophy of government she cares about. I don't think he does at all. I think if he woke up tomorrow and became convinced that expressing flaming liberal positions would benefit him he'd express flaming liberal positions.
Those aren't the criteria on which I compare them to each other.
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CID1990 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
And I think she would "win" with respect to the "middle" in that when the smoke cleared most of them would think she kicked his ass. Doesn't necessarily mean she'd make political progress. But I think she'd embarrass him.

I think she is different from Trump in that, in spite of her flamboyance, she really does have a general philosophy of government she cares about. I don't think he does at all. I think if he woke up tomorrow and became convinced that expressing flaming liberal positions would benefit him he'd express flaming liberal positions.
Those aren't the criteria on which I compare them to each other.
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The dancing video would suggest otherwise....
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote: The irony. It's too much. :rofl:
Agreed. No need to elaborate.
If you’re talking about Trump, he’s not my politician. Never voted for him. Also think he’s a certifiable retard.
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CID1990 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
I don't think there's be any "stay on point" at all. I just think that it'd be a smack talk contest. He did great doing that against traditional politicians. That young woman is not a traditional politician. I think he'd find himself outmatched trying to maintain a smack talk contest against her. I think she'd smack him around pretty good.
And therefore she would win with her base, and he’d win with his base

And how is she not the lefty Trump?

She isn't a traitor? :coffee:
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houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
And therefore she would win with her base, and he’d win with his base

And how is she not the lefty Trump?

She isn't a traitor? :coffee:
By definition of her government stance, I’d say she is. :coffee:
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She also is a lowly freshman Congresswoman who received 100k votes.

Let me know when she wins the Democratic nomination for POTUS and receives 60,000,000 votes.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
houndawg wrote:

She isn't a traitor? :coffee:
By definition of her government stance, I’d say she is. :coffee:

what? You mean you don't think she'd be a slam dunk grand slam pick for Pelosi's VP next year?



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JohnStOnge wrote:
Agreed. No need to elaborate.
If you’re talking about Trump, he’s not my politician. Never voted for him. Also think he’s a certifiable retard.
But the Right did. :coffee:
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Grizalltheway wrote:Just call me the JSO whisperer.
So you're kind of like Charlie Babbitt?

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JohnStOnge wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
And therefore she would win with her base, and he’d win with his base

And how is she not the lefty Trump?
And I think she would "win" with respect to the "middle" in that when the smoke cleared most of them would think she kicked his ass. Doesn't necessarily mean she'd make political progress. But I think she'd embarrass him.

I think she is different from Trump in that, in spite of her flamboyance, she really does have a general philosophy of government she cares about. I don't think he does at all. I think if he woke up tomorrow and became convinced that expressing flaming liberal positions would benefit him he'd express flaming liberal positions.
Not true. Ivytalk has placed me squarely in the mushy middle and I think they're both buffoons who lack substance.

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UNI88 wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:Just call me the JSO whisperer.
So you're kind of like Charlie Babbitt?

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houndawg wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
By definition of her government stance, I’d say she is. :coffee:

what? You mean you don't think she'd be a slam dunk grand slam pick for Pelosi's VP next year?



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I certainly hope so. :nod:
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UNI88 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
And I think she would "win" with respect to the "middle" in that when the smoke cleared most of them would think she kicked his ass. Doesn't necessarily mean she'd make political progress. But I think she'd embarrass him.

I think she is different from Trump in that, in spite of her flamboyance, she really does have a general philosophy of government she cares about. I don't think he does at all. I think if he woke up tomorrow and became convinced that expressing flaming liberal positions would benefit him he'd express flaming liberal positions.
Not true. Ivytalk has placed me squarely in the mushy middle and I think they're both buffoons who lack substance.

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Well...for sure it wouldn't be about substance. And we'll never know because it'll never happen. But I think that if they did have a debate it'd be a smack down and she'd run circles around him and you'd tab her the winner just because she made such a fool of him.
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UNI88 wrote:Not true. Ivytalk has placed me squarely in the mushy middle and I think they're both buffoons who lack substance.

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Well...for sure it wouldn't be about substance. And we'll never know because it'll never happen. But I think that if they did have a debate it'd be a smack down and she'd run circles around him and you'd tab her the winner just because she made such a fool of him.
Not sure how you figure that, since literally every time she opens her mouth, even with no one else around or in the conversation, she makes a complete fool of HERSELF. She’s suddenly going to become a debate whiz and school Trump in the art of smack? I doubt it.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
UNI88 wrote:Not true. Ivytalk has placed me squarely in the mushy middle and I think they're both buffoons who lack substance.

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Well...for sure it wouldn't be about substance. And we'll never know because it'll never happen. But I think that if they did have a debate it'd be a smack down and she'd run circles around him and you'd tab her the winner just because she made such a fool of him.
Dear John,

Nobody... and i mean NOBODY wins if we find ourselves watching a televised debate between those two - and there is zero value added in being obsessed with which one is worse, or which one would “win” or why

They are both grossly fact-challenged

They both knowingly appeal to the worst hatreds and fears of their respective bases’ lowest denominators

They both represent the vanguard of a growing and fatal American respect for style over substance

They both know how and are adept at tapping into all of the above ^^^^ through shrewd use of social media

They are both populists of the worst sort



If we do one day witness an actual debate between them (we won’t) then make sure the last American out turns off the lights




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CID1990 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
Well...for sure it wouldn't be about substance. And we'll never know because it'll never happen. But I think that if they did have a debate it'd be a smack down and she'd run circles around him and you'd tab her the winner just because she made such a fool of him.
Dear John,

Nobody... and i mean NOBODY wins if we find ourselves watching a televised debate between those two - and there is zero value added in being obsessed with which one is worse, or which one would “win” or why

They are both grossly fact-challenged

They both knowingly appeal to the worst hatreds and fears of their respective bases’ lowest denominators

They both represent the vanguard of a growing and fatal American respect for style over substance

They both know how and are adept at tapping into all of the above ^^^^ through shrewd use of social media

They are both populists of the worst sort



If we do one day witness an actual debate between them (we won’t) then make sure the last American out turns off the lights




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Some truth but I don't see much of a difference between two populists squaring off vs. a more sober "adult" debate between two opportunistic and "realistic" veteran pols. At least the latter would be more entertaining.
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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Dear John,

Nobody... and i mean NOBODY wins if we find ourselves watching a televised debate between those two - and there is zero value added in being obsessed with which one is worse, or which one would “win” or why

They are both grossly fact-challenged

They both knowingly appeal to the worst hatreds and fears of their respective bases’ lowest denominators

They both represent the vanguard of a growing and fatal American respect for style over substance

They both know how and are adept at tapping into all of the above ^^^^ through shrewd use of social media

They are both populists of the worst sort



If we do one day witness an actual debate between them (we won’t) then make sure the last American out turns off the lights




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Some truth but I don't see much of a difference between two populists squaring off vs. a more sober "adult" debate between two opportunistic and "realistic" veteran pols. At least the latter would be more entertaining.
CID nailed it. Political debates are pretty much all theater nowadays, but we’d have at least a slight chance of getting a few factoids in a contest between, say, Biden and Jeb Bush. And we wouldn’t be as worried about the future of the Republic. :twocents:
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When Ocasio Cortez tops this... Call me

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”
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And this Master Piece...

“I have broken more Elton John records. He seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument. I don’t have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No, we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look, I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really, we do it without, like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical – the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth, right? The brain. More important than the mouth is the brain. The brain is much more important.”
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Chizzang wrote:When Ocasio Cortez tops this... Call me

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”
If that’s accurate— and it’s almost a self-parody if it is— it reminds me of a typical JSO post.
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Chizzang wrote:And this Master Piece...

“I have broken more Elton John records. He seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument. I don’t have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No, we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look, I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really, we do it without, like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical – the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth, right? The brain. More important than the mouth is the brain. The brain is much more important.”
So does this.
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Chizzang wrote:When Ocasio Cortez tops this... Call me

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”
If that’s accurate— and it’s almost a self-parody if it is— it reminds me of a typical JSO post.
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Chizzang wrote:And this Master Piece...

“I have broken more Elton John records. He seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument. I don’t have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No, we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look, I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really, we do it without, like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical – the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth, right? The brain. More important than the mouth is the brain. The brain is much more important.”
He’s like Ernest Hemingway with the stream of consciousness thing, the mentally retarded version


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