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[kalm]

Last time I checked, being human sets you up for the protection of rights

In most cases... unless you're an invisible baby.

I think invisible babies are worth protecting. That’s an amazing attribute!

[CitadelGrad]

A lot of public schools are teaching very young children that gender is a choice and causing some children to question their own gender. There are even extreme cases of children undergoing gender reassignment procedures because schools and their parents have completely fucked them up.

This is why the government needs to define gender and make it clear that there are only two genders. It would also serve to reinforce the reality that gender dysphoria is a real and serious mental illness.

The real issue here is not government overreach. The issue is society going off the rails by normalizing mental illness.

[Grizalltheway]

A lot of public schools are teaching very young children that gender is a choice and causing some children to question their own gender. There are even extreme cases of children undergoing gender reassignment procedures because schools and their parents have completely fucked them up.

This is why the government needs to define gender and make it clear that there are only two genders. It would also serve to reinforce the reality that gender dysphoria is a real and serious mental illness.

The real issue here is not government overreach. The issue is society going off the rails by normalizing mental illness.

So what should we be doing instead? Reeducation camps? Shock therapy?

[kalm]

A lot of public schools are teaching very young children that gender is a choice and causing some children to question their own gender. There are even extreme cases of children undergoing gender reassignment procedures because schools and their parents have completely fucked them up.

This is why the government needs to define gender and make it clear that there are only two genders. It would also serve to reinforce the reality that gender dysphoria is a real and serious mental illness.

The real issue here is not government overreach. The issue is society going off the rails by normalizing mental illness.

Define "a lot".

Is it a part of their curriculum? Please provide an example. Who's writing the curriculum?

Or are they teaching to respect others regardless of gender ID?

What grade is this occurring at?

Gender reassignment procedures for kids is a problem. I totally agree with that.

If gender dysphoria is a serious mental illness, can it not also be relieved by a culture being ok with gender selection? In other words, you be you and as long as you don't infringe on my rights, we're cool.

Some chicks are more like dudes and vice versa. Government legislating "morality" is a slippery slope.

After all, narcissistic conservative sociopathy can also be considered a mental illness...........

[kalm]

A lot of public schools are teaching very young children that gender is a choice and causing some children to question their own gender. There are even extreme cases of children undergoing gender reassignment procedures because schools and their parents have completely fucked them up.

This is why the government needs to define gender and make it clear that there are only two genders. It would also serve to reinforce the reality that gender dysphoria is a real and serious mental illness.

The real issue here is not government overreach. The issue is society going off the rails by normalizing mental illness.

So what should we be doing instead? Reeducation camps? Shock therapy?

This.

[∞∞∞]

I disagree; it sets up for the protection of rights. Guarantee half the states would go back to full-racism, sexism, and every other discriminatory practice if the federal government didn't tell them that a female is a female, or a black person is a black person, and had laws which protected them.

Same applies here.

We seriously need the government to tell us that people with penises are men and people with vaginas are women? My daughter is 4 and she fully understands that concept. I think we can deal with more important things. Besides, anti-discrimination laws already cover gender.


Your comments really don't jive with democracy. We don't need the government telling us things that we already know to be true. The government does need to make sure we have clean air and water. The government does need to hold corporations and such accountable for defrauding or deceiving the public. The government does not need to tell me that a person with a penis can choose its gender. Science has already determined what a man and woman is. We don't need to be catering to fringe groups or the very small minority groups. What next? Can I choose my own race? Can I choose to have my DL say I have green eyes even though I have blue eyes b/c I feel like I should've been born with green eyes? It's ridiculous.

For legalese, yes it should be defined. I don't give a shit if you want to listen to the government or not, but these definitions do allow for legal protections when discriminatory issues come up.

It's common sense for women to vote, for gay couples to have marriage rights, etc., but sometimes common sense doesn't win out and needs to be fought for. That's when the government (which is just you and me and other Americans) to step in and say that hey, these people are protected by law.

[Col Hogan]

We seriously need the government to tell us that people with penises are men and people with vaginas are women? My daughter is 4 and she fully understands that concept. I think we can deal with more important things. Besides, anti-discrimination laws already cover gender.


Your comments really don't jive with democracy. We don't need the government telling us things that we already know to be true. The government does need to make sure we have clean air and water. The government does need to hold corporations and such accountable for defrauding or deceiving the public. The government does not need to tell me that a person with a penis can choose its gender. Science has already determined what a man and woman is. We don't need to be catering to fringe groups or the very small minority groups. What next? Can I choose my own race? Can I choose to have my DL say I have green eyes even though I have blue eyes b/c I feel like I should've been born with green eyes? It's ridiculous.

For legalese, yes it should be defined. I don't give a **** if you want to listen to the government or not, but these definitions do allow for legal protections when discriminatory issues come up.

It's common sense for women to vote, for gay couples to have marriage rights, etc., but sometimes common sense doesn't win out and needs to be fought for. That's when the government (which is just you and me and other Americans) to step in and say that hey, these people are protected by law.

Discrimination happens each and every day in this world...for good and legal reasons...

[Baldy]

No, just another klamfail.

Please point out where I said anything even close to the "government should author more laws".

My intentions for posting that article couldn't have been more clear, and government oversight certainly wasn't it.

Please pay better attention.

I didn't even realize there was an article in there.

You posted an image, trying to make fun of the left's selective disregard for some science and I quickly shot a hole clean through it. To be honest, you and I would hopefully agree on the ridiculousness of codified gender ID and the legal ramifications. I'm well to the right when it comes to that shit and also feminism.

We don't need government to tell us what equipment someone was born with nor do we need government defining anyone's gender.

Take a deep breath and read CID's post above. Everything will be OK in the end.

When a science magazine makes the statement that there is no foundation in science that boys who are born with male plumbing and girls who are born with female plumbing are not really identified by the plumbing with which they were born needs to be mocked and ridiculed.

If you agree with that statement, how did you quickly shoot a hole clean through it?

[Grizalltheway]

I didn't even realize there was an article in there.

You posted an image, trying to make fun of the left's selective disregard for some science and I quickly shot a hole clean through it. To be honest, you and I would hopefully agree on the ridiculousness of codified gender ID and the legal ramifications. I'm well to the right when it comes to that shit and also feminism.

We don't need government to tell us what equipment someone was born with nor do we need government defining anyone's gender.

Take a deep breath and read CID's post above. Everything will be OK in the end.

When a science magazine makes the statement that there is no foundation in science that boys who are born with male plumbing and girls who are born with female plumbing are not really identified by the plumbing with which they were born needs to be mocked and ridiculed.

If you agree with that statement, how did you quickly shoot a hole clean through it?

Directly from your article:

Furthermore, biology is not as straightforward as the proposal suggests. By some estimates, as many as one in 100 people have differences or disorders of sex development, such as hormonal conditions, genetic changes or anatomical ambiguities, some of which mean that their genitalia cannot clearly be classified as male or female. For most of the twentieth century, doctors would often surgically alter an infant’s ambiguous genitals to match whichever sex was easier, and expect the child to adapt. Frequently, they were wrong. A 2004 study tracked 14 genetically male children given female genitalia; 8 ended up identifying as male, and the surgical intervention caused them great distress (W. G. Reiner and J. P. Gearhart N. Engl. J. Med. 350, 333–341; 2004).

Even more scientifically complex is a mismatch between gender and the sex on a person’s birth certificate. Some evidence suggests that transgender identity has genetic or hormonal roots, but its exact biological correlates are unclear. Whatever the cause, organizations such as the American Academy of Pediatrics advise physicians to treat people according to their preferred gender, regardless of appearance or genetics.

The research and medical community now sees sex as more complex than male and female, and gender as a spectrum that includes transgender people and those who identify as neither male nor female. The US administration’s proposal would ignore that expert consensus.

I'm starting to think you didn't even read it, and if you did, obviously didn't understand it.

[Ibanez]

We seriously need the government to tell us that people with penises are men and people with vaginas are women? My daughter is 4 and she fully understands that concept. I think we can deal with more important things. Besides, anti-discrimination laws already cover gender.


Your comments really don't jive with democracy. We don't need the government telling us things that we already know to be true. The government does need to make sure we have clean air and water. The government does need to hold corporations and such accountable for defrauding or deceiving the public. The government does not need to tell me that a person with a penis can choose its gender. Science has already determined what a man and woman is. We don't need to be catering to fringe groups or the very small minority groups. What next? Can I choose my own race? Can I choose to have my DL say I have green eyes even though I have blue eyes b/c I feel like I should've been born with green eyes? It's ridiculous.

For legalese, yes it should be defined. I don't give a shit if you want to listen to the government or not, but these definitions do allow for legal protections when discriminatory issues come up.

It's common sense for women to vote, for gay couples to have marriage rights, etc., but sometimes common sense doesn't win out and needs to be fought for. That's when the government (which is just you and me and other Americans) to step in and say that hey, these people are protected by law.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964
The ADA
The Fair Housing Act

We already have laws. Enforce them. The government doesn't need to start defining people. We've already seen what happens when governments say who are and aren't people. Why are leftists trying to create a 4th Reich?

[kalm]

I didn't even realize there was an article in there.

You posted an image, trying to make fun of the left's selective disregard for some science and I quickly shot a hole clean through it. To be honest, you and I would hopefully agree on the ridiculousness of codified gender ID and the legal ramifications. I'm well to the right when it comes to that shit and also feminism.

We don't need government to tell us what equipment someone was born with nor do we need government defining anyone's gender.

Take a deep breath and read CID's post above. Everything will be OK in the end.

When a science magazine makes the statement that there is no foundation in science that boys who are born with male plumbing and girls who are born with female plumbing are not really identified by the plumbing with which they were born needs to be mocked and ridiculed.

If you agree with that statement, how did you quickly shoot a hole clean through it?

I finally read the article and it makes sense.

Again, you and Cgrad are gender confused. It’s a spectrum. Some plumbing is hard to discern. Some gets changed. That’s sex.

Gender is more culturally/psychology based. Not a hard science.

Regardless, we don’t need government involved. Turn in your libertarian cards.

[89Hen]

If gender dysphoria is a serious mental illness, can it not also be relieved by a culture being ok with gender selection? In other words, you be you and as long as you don't infringe on my rights, we're cool.

Some chicks are more like dudes and vice versa. Government legislating "morality" is a slippery slope.

So on divers licenses, job applications, protected class questions on loan applications, etc... would you have "sex" and "gender", one, or none?

[Ibanez]

When a science magazine makes the statement that there is no foundation in science that boys who are born with male plumbing and girls who are born with female plumbing are not really identified by the plumbing with which they were born needs to be mocked and ridiculed.

If you agree with that statement, how did you quickly shoot a hole clean through it?

Directly from your article:

Furthermore, biology is not as straightforward as the proposal suggests. By some estimates, as many as one in 100 people have differences or disorders of sex development, such as hormonal conditions, genetic changes or anatomical ambiguities, some of which mean that their genitalia cannot clearly be classified as male or female. For most of the twentieth century, doctors would often surgically alter an infant’s ambiguous genitals to match whichever sex was easier, and expect the child to adapt. Frequently, they were wrong. A 2004 study tracked 14 genetically male children given female genitalia; 8 ended up identifying as male, and the surgical intervention caused them great distress (W. G. Reiner and J. P. Gearhart N. Engl. J. Med. 350, 333–341; 2004).

Even more scientifically complex is a mismatch between gender and the sex on a person’s birth certificate. Some evidence suggests that transgender identity has genetic or hormonal roots, but its exact biological correlates are unclear. Whatever the cause, organizations such as the American Academy of Pediatrics advise physicians to treat people according to their preferred gender, regardless of appearance or genetics.

The research and medical community now sees sex as more complex than male and female, and gender as a spectrum that includes transgender people and those who identify as neither male nor female. The US administration’s proposal would ignore that expert consensus.

I'm starting to think you didn't even read it, and if you did, obviously didn't understand it.

My wife has a cousin who was born as a hermaphrodite. This is was in 1984. His parents chose to have his penis cut off and raised as a girl. It didn't take. He identifies as a male, acts male, appears more male than female even though he has breasts and a vagina. In his case, it was science and his natural biology that determined his genders. Outside forces like his parents and a doctor tried to play God and change it. I think his case is different than someone who mentally thinks they are one sex over another. I think there is a mental component that we clearly do not understand.


It's a tough discussion to have. My thoughts and feelings have changed based on my own experiences ( I think I've mentioned how my best friend is transitioning from male to female).

Regardless, we don't need the government stepping in and defining genders, races, etc.... We have laws that say you can't discriminate based on someones race, gender, creed, disability, etc...

[89Hen]

Regardless, we don't need the government stepping in and defining genders, races, etc.... We have laws that say you can't discriminate based on someones race, gender, creed, disability, etc...

Read what you just wrote again.

[kalm]

If gender dysphoria is a serious mental illness, can it not also be relieved by a culture being ok with gender selection? In other words, you be you and as long as you don't infringe on my rights, we're cool.

Some chicks are more like dudes and vice versa. Government legislating "morality" is a slippery slope.

So on divers licenses, job applications, protected class questions on loan applications, etc... would you have "sex" and "gender", one, or none?

Do you check under skirts now?

[Ibanez]

Regardless, we don't need the government stepping in and defining genders, races, etc.... We have laws that say you can't discriminate based on someones race, gender, creed, disability, etc...

Read what you just wrote again.

Did I say the government should say who is white, black, male, female, gay, straight?

No. I said we already have laws that say you can't discriminate based on those qualities. I don't see that as defining what it is to be a male. Maybe it's splitting hairs.

[CAA Flagship]

So on divers licenses, job applications, protected class questions on loan applications, etc... would you have "sex" and "gender", one, or none?

Do you check under skirts now?

Yes. From the bench near the mall escalator.

[89Hen]

Read what you just wrote again.

Did I say the government should say who is white, black, male, female, gay, straight?

No. I said we already have laws that say you can't discriminate based on those qualities. I don't see that as defining what it is to be a male. Maybe it's splitting hairs.

If we don't define gender, how can you claim discrimination? You can't discriminate against somebody because they're a woman if you don't know they're a woman. I'm not sure if you were going for it's not the government's right to choose for somebody? But if they don't, I can be a man today, a woman tomorrow, a tranny the next... whatever serves MY purpose at the time. This is NOT smart IMO.

[kalm]

Did I say the government should say who is white, black, male, female, gay, straight?

No. I said we already have laws that say you can't discriminate based on those qualities. I don't see that as defining what it is to be a male. Maybe it's splitting hairs.

If we don't define gender, how can you claim discrimination? You can't discriminate against somebody because they're a woman if you don't know they're a woman. I'm not sure if you were going for it's not the government's right to choose for somebody? But if they don't, I can be a man today, a woman tomorrow, a tranny the next... whatever serves MY purpose at the time. This is NOT smart IMO.

Why discriminate against anyone?

Better yet...to paraphrase JSO...why should government coerce you into private contracts?

[89Hen]

So on divers licenses, job applications, protected class questions on loan applications, etc... would you have "sex" and "gender", one, or none?

Do you check under skirts now?

In a way, yes.

If I do a face to face interview with a loan applicant, even if they check the box that they do not wish to furnish the HMDA information, I'm required by law to indicate what I perceive to be the applicants Ethnicity, Race and Sex.

[89Hen]

If we don't define gender, how can you claim discrimination? You can't discriminate against somebody because they're a woman if you don't know they're a woman. I'm not sure if you were going for it's not the government's right to choose for somebody? But if they don't, I can be a man today, a woman tomorrow, a tranny the next... whatever serves MY purpose at the time. This is NOT smart IMO.

Why discriminate against anyone?

Better yet...to paraphrase JSO...why should government coerce you into private contracts?

Deep breath. I'm not advocating that anyone be discriminated against, but if a person feels they have been, on what grounds do they have to prove that if we haven't indicated what they are to begin with? Basically you're rendering all victims of discrimination powerless to prove it because the perp can simply say, I didn't know they were a/an X.

[Ibanez]

Did I say the government should say who is white, black, male, female, gay, straight?

No. I said we already have laws that say you can't discriminate based on those qualities. I don't see that as defining what it is to be a male. Maybe it's splitting hairs.

If we don't define gender, how can you claim discrimination? You can't discriminate against somebody because they're a woman if you don't know they're a woman. I'm not sure if you were going for it's not the government's right to choose for somebody? But if they don't, I can be a man today, a woman tomorrow, a tranny the next... whatever serves MY purpose at the time. This is NOT smart IMO.

I see your point. I think what I'm trying to say is that is isn't the role of our government to choose. Human biology has determined who is male and female. For 200k years (modern humans), the world has accepted the fact that if you have a penis, you're a man. Then we made the law that says you can't be discriminated just because you have a penis. I'm open to science adjusting what we think and know about something...but so far it doesn't seem like anything is conclusive.

Side note - humans have existed roughly 200k years and we're now talking about " Well, I may look, talk, piss, make love and act like a lady but deep down inside...i'm all man." Interesting.

[CAA Flagship]

Side note - humans have existed roughly 200k years and we're now talking about " Well, I may look, talk, piss, make love and act like a lady but deep down inside...i'm all man." Interesting.

Act? Then that man is waaaaay deep down.

[89Hen]

If we don't define gender, how can you claim discrimination? You can't discriminate against somebody because they're a woman if you don't know they're a woman. I'm not sure if you were going for it's not the government's right to choose for somebody? But if they don't, I can be a man today, a woman tomorrow, a tranny the next... whatever serves MY purpose at the time. This is NOT smart IMO.

I see your point. I think what I'm trying to say is that is isn't the role of our government to choose. Human biology has determined who is male and female. For 200k years (modern humans), the world has accepted the fact that if you have a penis, you're a man. Then we made the law that says you can't be discriminated just because you have a penis. I'm open to science adjusting what we think and know about something...but so far it doesn't seem like anything is conclusive.

Side note - humans have existed roughly 200k years and we're now talking about " Well, I may look, talk, piss, make love and act like a lady but deep down inside...i'm all man." Interesting.

Yes, it's actually quite insane that we're even having this discussion IMO. If you want to dress like the opposite sex, knock yourself out. But to grant somebody protection under anti-discrimination laws because today they feel like X is just stupid. If you grant that, they I should be allowed to apply for minority grants because today I feel Hispanic.

[CAA Flagship]

,,,,,,because today I feel Hispanic.

I'm feeling a little Hispanic today too. I bought stuff to make tacos for dinner.