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[AZGrizFan]

this guy....is the fucking gift that keeps on giving. Even CNN now sees through his gigantic pile of bullshit he's peddling. And when THAT happens, you KNOW your goose is cooked!

Go back to obscurity, motherfucker. Your 15 minutes is UP!

[UNI88]

The Prime Mover gave us free will which is great but does have some downsides.

I might even step it back one farther than that
The prime mover didn't give us anything - evolution is our creator
The Prime Mover created the Universe using only cause and effect

I'm not in the evolution is the Prime Mover camp. Life is too wondrous of a thing to have just happened randomly. I think someone or something kickstarted it.

And this gives me a chance to throw these lyrics our there ...

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah
Well I love TV and I love T- Rex
I can see through your skirt
I've got X-Ray specs
I came from the sky like a 747
I'm the bad boy baby I fell out of heaven
Sex fuhrer baby I'm a love dictator
Blitzkrieg romance I'm a cool dominator

P-R-I-M-E Prime Mover
Baby You're M-I-N-E I'm The Groover

Well I'm Christ in shades I'm a Napalm God
Your lipstick flickers round my lightning rod
You fever pitch bitch you love to tease
Well I'm a Hot Dog Daddy up on your knees
Sex fuhrer baby I'm a love dictator
Blitzkrieg Romance I'm a living detonator

P-R-I-M-E Prime Mover
Baby You're M-I-N-E I'm The Groover Yeah

Sex fuhrer baby I'm a love dictator
You're a disco reptile a funky alligator

P-R-I-M-E Prime Mover
Baby You're M-I-N-E I'm The Groover

[Chizzang]

I might even step it back one farther than that
The prime mover didn't give us anything - evolution is our creator
The Prime Mover created the Universe using only cause and effect

I'm not in the evolution is the Prime Mover camp. Life is too wondrous of a thing to have just happened randomly. I think someone or something kickstarted it.

And this gives me a chance to throw these lyrics our there ...

I'm familiar with that feeling (The wondrous nature of life)
But that itself might be evolution - and why wouldn't it be..?
it's an evolutionary advantage to be curious and then fascinated and ultimately enthralled...

I'm not entirely against the idea that God put the wonder in life
but that means that God also put the 25,000 dying and suffering children every day here too
and that just doesn't add up

My logical brain dismisses that and says "It was put in motion" and nothing more
thus the wonder and the suffering are a byproduct of that motion not a plan intrinsically

Ultimately if god is omnipotent then God is a fucking monster (period)

[89Hen]

Ultimately if god is omnipotent then God is a fucking monster (period)

You're better than this Cleets.

[UNI88]

I'm not in the evolution is the Prime Mover camp. Life is too wondrous of a thing to have just happened randomly. I think someone or something kickstarted it.

And this gives me a chance to throw these lyrics our there ...

I'm familiar with that feeling (The wondrous nature of life)
But that itself might be evolution - and why wouldn't it be..?
it's an evolutionary advantage to be curious and then fascinated and ultimately enthralled...

I'm not entirely against the idea that God put the wonder in life
but that means that God also put the 25,000 dying and suffering children every day here too
and that just doesn't add up

My logical brain dismisses that and says "It was put in motion" and nothing more
thus the wonder and the suffering are a byproduct of that motion not a plan intrinsically

Ultimately if god is omnipotent then God is a fucking monster (period)

I understand where you're coming from. I ask myself does the dying and suffering occur because God caused it or does it occur because God allows mankind to cause it (or most of it)? If it's the latter, we're back at free will.

[GannonFan]

I'm not in the evolution is the Prime Mover camp. Life is too wondrous of a thing to have just happened randomly. I think someone or something kickstarted it.

And this gives me a chance to throw these lyrics our there ...

I'm familiar with that feeling (The wondrous nature of life)
But that itself might be evolution - and why wouldn't it be..?
it's an evolutionary advantage to be curious and then fascinated and ultimately enthralled...

I'm not entirely against the idea that God put the wonder in life
but that means that God also put the 25,000 dying and suffering children every day here too
and that just doesn't add up

My logical brain dismisses that and says "It was put in motion" and nothing more
thus the wonder and the suffering are a byproduct of that motion not a plan intrinsically

Ultimately if god is omnipotent then God is a fucking monster (period)

What would not existing at all look like? Would that be worse than suffering? I don't know, but I also realize that I lack the omnipotence to know.

[kalm]

Ultimately if god is omnipotent then God is a fucking monster (period)

You're better than this Cleets.

Nothing smacks of defeat like the old cs.com "you're better than this ________".

[89Hen]

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[89Hen]

You're better than this Cleets.

Nothing smacks of defeat like the old cs.com "you're better than this ________".

Defeat?

[Chizzang]

Ultimately if god is omnipotent then God is a fucking monster (period)

You're better than this Cleets.

Okay I'll bite:
Navigating the Christian sliding scale of Godly omnipotence
is so amusing and ridiculous I'll entertain any conversation on that topic



please continue and explain to me Gods omnipotence
I'll be right here...

[kalm]

Nothing smacks of defeat like the old cs.com "you're better than this ________".

Defeat?

It's a badge of honor.

[89Hen]

You're better than this Cleets.

Okay I'll bite:
Navigating the Christian sliding scale of Godly omnipotence
is so amusing and ridiculous I'll entertain any conversation on that topic



please continue and explain to me Gods omnipotence
I'll be right here...

Having omnipotence and granting free will is an easy concept. I'm not sure why you think there is a conflict to the point where you have to add (period).

[89Hen]

Defeat?

It's a badge of honor.

I was just curious as to how one can be defeated when they weren't even in a back and forth discussion. I guess you thought I gave up before I started?

[Pwns]

Will Democrats become the new McCarthyists?

[Chizzang]

Okay I'll bite:
Navigating the Christian sliding scale of Godly omnipotence
is so amusing and ridiculous I'll entertain any conversation on that topic



please continue and explain to me Gods omnipotence
I'll be right here...

Having omnipotence and granting free will is an easy concept. I'm not sure why you think there is a conflict to the point where you have to add (period).

Then why do Christians preach that God effects change..?
Being omnipotent and granting free will
yet simultaneously effecting change seems like a tricky game

Are you suggesting that good chooses "things" to change on earth..?
PEW says 75% of Christians believe god is omnipotent all powerful
I'm just trying to establish "ground rules" for this discussion

Because from this point forward logic, reason and observational truths go out the window for you...

[89Hen]

Because from this point forward logic, reason and observational truths go out the window for you...

You do know we're talking about religion?

[Chizzang]

Because from this point forward logic, reason and observational truths go out the window for you...

You do know we're talking about religion?

Are we..?
If religions could just freely admit "Faith Alone" was the only ground it can stand on
and that an omnipotent god chooses to do nothing about 25,000 suffering and dying toddlers every day
but makes sure that pastor McDouche gets a new jet

Seems like strange choices for an omnipotent god that loves us...

I'm going to stick with my assessment: If God is omnipotent then he is a monster (period)

[89Hen]

You do know we're talking about religion?

Are we..?
If religions could just freely admit "Faith Alone" was the only ground it can stand on
and that an omnipotent god chooses to do nothing about 25,000 suffering and dying toddlers every day
but makes sure that pastor McDouche gets a new jet

Seems like strange choices for an omnipotent god that loves us...

I'm going to stick with my assessment: If God is omnipotent then he is a monster (period)

See, and there you go. You just can't stop yourself, can you?

If religions could just freely admit "Faith Alone" was the only ground it can stand on CHECK

and that an omnipotent god chooses to do nothing about 25,000 suffering and dying toddlers every day CHECK

but makes sure that pastor McDouche gets a new jet RED HERRING, WHY?

[Chizzang]

Are we..?
If religions could just freely admit "Faith Alone" was the only ground it can stand on
and that an omnipotent god chooses to do nothing about 25,000 suffering and dying toddlers every day
but makes sure that pastor McDouche gets a new jet

Seems like strange choices for an omnipotent god that loves us...

I'm going to stick with my assessment: If God is omnipotent then he is a monster (period)

See, and there you go. You just can't stop yourself, can you?

If religions could just freely admit "Faith Alone" was the only ground it can stand on CHECK

and that an omnipotent god chooses to do nothing about 25,000 suffering and dying toddlers every day CHECK

but makes sure that pastor McDouche gets a new jet RED HERRING, WHY?

it's called Absurdism...
That's the game American Christianity plays - why can't I play too?

[89Hen]

See, and there you go. You just can't stop yourself, can you?

If religions could just freely admit "Faith Alone" was the only ground it can stand on CHECK

and that an omnipotent god chooses to do nothing about 25,000 suffering and dying toddlers every day CHECK

but makes sure that pastor McDouche gets a new jet RED HERRING, WHY?

it's called Absurdism...
That's the game American Christianity plays - why can't I play too?

I thought you wanted to have a discussion with US, HERE. Oh well. I'm out.

[Chizzang]

it's called Absurdism...
That's the game American Christianity plays - why can't I play too?

I thought you wanted to have a discussion with US, HERE. Oh well. I'm out.

we are having a discussion



I'm just checking to see if we're playing tennis without the net ?

[SeattleGriz]

The Prime Mover gave us free will which is great but does have some downsides.

I might even step it back one farther than that
The prime mover didn't give us anything - evolution is our creator
The Prime Mover created the Universe using only cause and effect

Intelligent Design. Got it.

[Chizzang]

I might even step it back one farther than that
The prime mover didn't give us anything - evolution is our creator
The Prime Mover created the Universe using only cause and effect

Intelligent Design. Got it.

But without Magic Jesus



or Christianity

[SeattleGriz]

Intelligent Design. Got it.

But without Magic Jesus



or Christianity

Why does your Prime Mover not do anything about the 25,000 suffering and dying children per day?

[Chizzang]

But without Magic Jesus



or Christianity

Why does your Prime Mover not do anything about the 25,000 suffering and dying children per day?

Because you have reading comprehension problems or have skipped ahead
How would only cause and effect do anything more than explain perfectly what's happening now..?



"only cause and effect" to launch the big bang... the rest is statistics and evolution
No curing grandmas cancer or getting Tammy a job at the factory