Coronavirus COVID-19

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If they ever do come up with a vaccine I know I will never get it, just like the flu shot. Not going to happen, not even at gun point

[Gil Dobie]

Looks like Trump is going to leave it up to the Governors and is going to speak at 6pm ECB about guidelines.

[SDHornet]

Looks like Trump is going to leave it up to the Governors and is going to speak at 6pm ECB about guidelines.

Did anyone think it would happen any other way?

[Gil Dobie]

Looks like Trump is going to leave it up to the Governors and is going to speak at 6pm ECB about guidelines.

Did anyone think it would happen any other way?

CNN

[SDHornet]

Did anyone think it would happen any other way?

CNN

People actually watch CNN?

[Gil Dobie]

CNN

People actually watch CNN?

Some people's kids.

[SDHornet]

People actually watch CNN?

Some people's kids.

Parenting fail.

[89Hen]

CNN

People actually watch CNN?

Not many. I think they normally get beat in ratings by American Pickers.

[93henfan]

U.S. stock futures surged on Thursday night after a report said a Gilead Sciences drug was showing effectiveness in treating the coronavirus. The move pointed to a jump for the stock market on Friday. Dow Jones Industrial Average futures were up 700 points, or about 3%. S&P 500 futures gained 2.8% while Nasdaq 100 futures were up by 1.8%. Gilead shares jumped by 14% in after-hours trading after STAT news reported that a Chicago hospital treating coronavirus patients with Remdesivir in a trial were recovering rapidly from severe symptoms.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/sp-500- ... virus.html

A Chicago hospital treating severe Covid-19 patients with Gilead Sciences’ antiviral medicine remdesivir in a closely watched clinical trial is seeing rapid recoveries in fever and respiratory symptoms, with nearly all patients discharged in less than a week, STAT has learned.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/ear ... treatment/

[Gil Dobie]

U.S. stock futures surged on Thursday night after a report said a Gilead Sciences drug was showing effectiveness in treating the coronavirus. The move pointed to a jump for the stock market on Friday. Dow Jones Industrial Average futures were up 700 points, or about 3%. S&P 500 futures gained 2.8% while Nasdaq 100 futures were up by 1.8%. Gilead shares jumped by 14% in after-hours trading after STAT news reported that a Chicago hospital treating coronavirus patients with Remdesivir in a trial were recovering rapidly from severe symptoms.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/sp-500- ... virus.html

A Chicago hospital treating severe Covid-19 patients with Gilead Sciences’ antiviral medicine remdesivir in a closely watched clinical trial is seeing rapid recoveries in fever and respiratory symptoms, with nearly all patients discharged in less than a week, STAT has learned.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/ear ... treatment/

That's one of the drugs Trump mentioned a while back, during a briefing. Been reading about it for a couple weeks. It's an Ebola drug.

[CAA Flagship]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/sp-500- ... virus.html


https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/ear ... treatment/

That's one of the drugs Trump mentioned a while back, during a briefing. Been reading about it for a couple weeks. It's an Ebola drug.

I've been hearing that malaria and ebola drugs may point the medical community in the direction of an effective therapeutic and vaccine. It's early but it's possible that people that have been treated with malaria and ebola drugs may have a certain level of immunity against COVID-19.

[JohnStOnge]

U.S. stock futures surged on Thursday night after a report said a Gilead Sciences drug was showing effectiveness in treating the coronavirus. The move pointed to a jump for the stock market on Friday. Dow Jones Industrial Average futures were up 700 points, or about 3%. S&P 500 futures gained 2.8% while Nasdaq 100 futures were up by 1.8%. Gilead shares jumped by 14% in after-hours trading after STAT news reported that a Chicago hospital treating coronavirus patients with Remdesivir in a trial were recovering rapidly from severe symptoms.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/sp-500- ... virus.html

A Chicago hospital treating severe Covid-19 patients with Gilead Sciences’ antiviral medicine remdesivir in a closely watched clinical trial is seeing rapid recoveries in fever and respiratory symptoms, with nearly all patients discharged in less than a week, STAT has learned.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/ear ... treatment/

Unfortunately that's not going to do it. I guess maybe it can inspire people to do actual clinical trials to show effectiveness but that is not a clinical trial showing effectiveness. I realized that as soon as I saw this paragraph:

The University of Chicago Medicine recruited 125 people with Covid-19 into Gilead’s two Phase 3 clinical trials. Of those people, 113 had severe disease. All the patients have been treated with daily infusions of remdesivir.

Underline added for emphasis. To have a statistical experiment, which is what a clinical trial to show effectiveness is, you have to have treatment subjects and control subjects. There were no control subjects.

Later in the article this language alluded to that:

Mullane, while encouraged by the University of Chicago data, made clear her own hesitancy about drawing too many conclusions.

“It’s always hard,” she said, because the severe trial doesn’t include a placebo group for comparison.

I hope it works out. But they are going to have to do clinical trials where some people get the treatment and other people (controls) get a placebo. It's a harsh thing. But it's necessary to show that a treatment is effective.

[JohnStOnge]

Just want to say "Thank you" to PBS. I am able to watch PBS news instead of the daily Trump shit show during the 5 pm through 7 pm CDT time frame.

And I can hear summaries about what a fuck up Trump was again later.

[93henfan]

Just want to say "Thank you" to PBS. I am able to watch PBS news instead of the daily Trump shit show during the 5 pm through 7 pm CDT time frame.

And I can hear summaries about what a fuck up Trump was again later.

Seriously. Make sure you get out and vote for Sleepy Joe. It'll make you feel a lot better. You're really obsessed with Trump and you need an outlet. Buy yourself some champagne after you vote. You deserve it, as miserable as you've been the past three and a half years.

And get a gun and one round, just in case Joe loses.

[JohnStOnge]

Just want to say "Thank you" to PBS. I am able to watch PBS news instead of the daily Trump shit show during the 5 pm through 7 pm CDT time frame.

And I can hear summaries about what a fuck up Trump was again later.

Seriously. Make sure you get out and vote for Sleepy Joe. It'll make you feel a lot better. You're really obsessed with Trump and you need an outlet. Buy yourself some champagne after you vote. You deserve it, as miserable as you've been the past three and a half years.

And get a gun and one round, just in case Joe loses.

My vote will be meaningless because I live in Louisiana. It's similar to someone who wants to vote for Trump having their vote rendered meaningless by virtue of living in California.

I do fervently hope Biden wins. But if he does not, I will be fine. During my adult lifetime I have had the person I wanted to win the Presidential election win 6 times and lose 5 times.

But it WILL be much better for our country if the mentality that led to this Trump thing is repudiated. Won't be the end if it's not. I think it will be eventually and it's just a question of when. The people that support Trump are a dying movement in the process of its last gasp. It'd just be best if the gasp goes ahead and ends now.

[SDHornet]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/sp-500- ... virus.html


https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/ear ... treatment/

Unfortunately that's not going to do it. I guess maybe it can inspire people to do actual clinical trials to show effectiveness but that is not a clinical trial showing effectiveness. I realized that as soon as I saw this paragraph:

The University of Chicago Medicine recruited 125 people with Covid-19 into Gilead’s two Phase 3 clinical trials. Of those people, 113 had severe disease. All the patients have been treated with daily infusions of remdesivir.

Underline added for emphasis. To have a statistical experiment, which is what a clinical trial to show effectiveness is, you have to have treatment subjects and control subjects. There were no control subjects.

Later in the article this language alluded to that:

Mullane, while encouraged by the University of Chicago data, made clear her own hesitancy about drawing too many conclusions.

“It’s always hard,” she said, because the severe trial doesn’t include a placebo group for comparison.

I hope it works out. But they are going to have to do clinical trials where some people get the treatment and other people (controls) get a placebo. It's a harsh thing. But it's necessary to show that a treatment is effective.

No kidding. How dare we get some good news on treating this Chinese Flu. You tell them JSO.

[SDHornet]

Per worldometer, here is the explanation of the nearly 3800 additional deaths NY added a few days ago:

On April 14, New York City reported 3,778 additional deaths that have occurred since March 11 and have been classified as "probable," defined as follows: “decedent [...] had no known positive laboratory test for SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) but the death certificate lists as a cause of death “COVID-19” or an equivalent" [source].

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/us-data/

Sounds legit.

[JohnStOnge]

Per worldometer, here is the explanation of the nearly 3800 additional deaths NY added a few days ago:

On April 14, New York City reported 3,778 additional deaths that have occurred since March 11 and have been classified as "probable," defined as follows: “decedent [...] had no known positive laboratory test for SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) but the death certificate lists as a cause of death “COVID-19” or an equivalent" [source].

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/us-data/

Sounds legit.

It is legit. I work with epidemiologist investigating outbreaks frequently. There are certain cases where they have lab confirmation but those are limited. They establish criteria in a case definition and count cases that meet the case definition as cases. They do not require lab confirmation when doing the statistics on the outbreak. This is totally consistent with the way epidemiology normally operates.

Here's the thing: Trumpists are trying to create the impression that the numbers are being inflated. They are not. At this point they are still probably understated. By the time we get to the final estimates that are generated in a manner consistent with how such final estimates are normally generated, the numbers are probably going to be much larger than they are now. And it won't be a conspiracy. It won't be inflating the numbers. It'll be the product of a legitimate effort to generate the best possible estimate.

[SDHornet]

Per worldometer, here is the explanation of the nearly 3800 additional deaths NY added a few days ago:


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/us-data/

Sounds legit.

It is legit. I work with epidemiologist investigating outbreaks frequently. There are certain cases where they have lab confirmation but those are limited. They establish criteria in a case definition and count cases that meet the case definition as cases. They do not require lab confirmation when doing the statistics on the outbreak. This is totally consistent with the way epidemiology normally operates.

Here's the thing: Trumpists are trying to create the impression that the numbers are being inflated. They are not. At this point they are still probably understated. By the time we get to the final estimates that are generated in a manner consistent with how such final estimates are normally generated, the numbers are probably going to be much larger than they are now. And it won't be a conspiracy. It won't be inflating the numbers. It'll be the product of a legitimate effort to generate the best possible estimate.

At this point of the game there is no reason testing isn't being done on folks with symptoms.

[UNI88]

Per worldometer, here is the explanation of the nearly 3800 additional deaths NY added a few days ago:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/us-data/

Sounds legit.

It is legit. I work with epidemiologist investigating outbreaks frequently. There are certain cases where they have lab confirmation but those are limited. They establish criteria in a case definition and count cases that meet the case definition as cases. They do not require lab confirmation when doing the statistics on the outbreak. This is totally consistent with the way epidemiology normally operates.

Here's the thing: Trumpists are trying to create the impression that the numbers are being inflated. They are not. At this point they are still probably understated. By the time we get to the final estimates that are generated in a manner consistent with how such final estimates are normally generated, the numbers are probably going to be much larger than they are now. And it won't be a conspiracy. It won't be inflating the numbers. It'll be the product of a legitimate effort to generate the best possible estimate.

That's anecdotal. You wouldn't respect AZ and Flaggy's expertise on the economy and I'm not respecting your second-hand report from a friend who is reportedly an epidemiologist. Please provide links to studies by experts in the field with footnotes and information on the peer-review process. Thank you!

[SDHornet]

Elon Musk skull fucks CNN and their claim that Tesla didn't deliver the ventilators.

[AZGrizFan]

Per worldometer, here is the explanation of the nearly 3800 additional deaths NY added a few days ago:


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/us-data/

Sounds legit.

It is legit. I work with epidemiologist investigating outbreaks frequently. There are certain cases where they have lab confirmation but those are limited. They establish criteria in a case definition and count cases that meet the case definition as cases. They do not require lab confirmation when doing the statistics on the outbreak. This is totally consistent with the way epidemiology normally operates.

Here's the thing: Trumpists are trying to create the impression that the numbers are being inflated. They are not. At this point they are still probably understated. By the time we get to the final estimates that are generated in a manner consistent with how such final estimates are normally generated, the numbers are probably going to be much larger than they are now. And it won't be a conspiracy. It won't be inflating the numbers. It'll be the product of a legitimate effort to generate the best possible estimate.

Goddamn right it’s legit. How else are they gonna get the insurance companies to cough up $39,000 per case unless it’s identified as a Corona death. It ain’t fucking rocket science. Occam’s Razor, John. Follow the money.

[mainejeff]

Elon Musk skull fucks CNN and their claim that Tesla didn't deliver the ventilators.

*Elon Musk is the next Donald Trump.

*Excluding the fact that he actually did build a successful company from the ground up.

[Ibanez]

Looks like Trump is going to leave it up to the Governors and is going to speak at 6pm ECB about guidelines.

Did anyone think it would happen any other way?

Well he did say he had "total authority." So for a while, he did.

[Ibanez]

That's one of the drugs Trump mentioned a while back, during a briefing. Been reading about it for a couple weeks. It's an Ebola drug.

I've been hearing that malaria and ebola drugs may point the medical community in the direction of an effective therapeutic and vaccine. It's early but it's possible that people that have been treated with malaria and ebola drugs may have a certain level of immunity against COVID-19.

YES! I'm going out right now with my quasi-understanding of this and telling people I have immunity.