Miscellaneous news items that don't warrant their own thread

[Ibanez]

The good news is that everybody in the end finds out how accurate their particular beliefs are.

The bad news is that you cannot do anything more about it if you are wrong.

This statement makes no sense 'cause the first sentence applies to all beliefs while the second applies exclusively to Christianity (and Islam). And even within Christianity, Catholics believe in purgatory.

If any of the many other beliefs are accurate, you've got a few shots.

It makes perfect sense. In the end - we find out of there is something or nothing.


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[Chizzang]

This statement makes no sense 'cause the first sentence applies to all beliefs while the second applies exclusively to Christianity (and Islam). And even within Christianity, Catholics believe in purgatory.

If any of the many other beliefs are accurate, you've got a few shots.

It makes perfect sense. In the end - we find out of there is something or nothing.

How do you know..?

[CID1990]

This statement makes no sense 'cause the first sentence applies to all beliefs while the second applies exclusively to Christianity (and Islam). And even within Christianity, Catholics believe in purgatory.

If any of the many other beliefs are accurate, you've got a few shots.

It makes perfect sense. In the end - we find out of there is something or nothing.


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If there’s nothing and then you’re nothing then you can’t know if theres nothing


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[∞∞∞]

This statement makes no sense 'cause the first sentence applies to all beliefs while the second applies exclusively to Christianity (and Islam). And even within Christianity, Catholics believe in purgatory.

If any of the many other beliefs are accurate, you've got a few shots.

It makes perfect sense. In the end - we find out of there is something or nothing.


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Winterborn's statement basically reads, "Good news is everyone gets to find out if their beliefs are correct [true], but bad news is Christianity (or Islam) is correct so non-believers can't do anything about it [false]."

What if any of the thousands of non-Abrahamic religions are "correct" and you've got a few shots, or there's nothingness? Once again, the statement makes zero sense.

[kalm]

It makes perfect sense. In the end - we find out of there is something or nothing.


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Winterborn's statement basically reads, "Good news is everyone gets to find out if their beliefs are correct [true], but bad news is Christianity (or Islam) is correct so non-believers can't do anything about it. [false]."

What if any of the thousands of non-Abrahamic religions are "correct" and you've got a few shots, or there's nothingness? Once again, the statement makes zero sense.

I asked JBB about it and according to the GAM 5 Dimes has Odin -7 over Jesus on the road. If it was played in Valhalla the GAM would have Odin at -11. Lay the points and take the Norse god.

[css75]

I can get into this Jesus stuff....



Jesus has always been pretty cool in my book....it's many of his fans that suck.

The principles of Jesus are rock solid. Agree that some people claiming to be followers have abused and corrupted his teachings to their own advantage. However, that does not mean the teachings and principles should not be followed.


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[∞∞∞]

Jesus is fine, but God is completely f*cked up.

At best, it's an abusive relationship...a good person trying to convince everyone his bestie isn't a dick.

Did a good job of it too.

[UNI88]

It makes perfect sense. In the end - we find out of there is something or nothing.

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If there’s nothing and then you’re nothing then you can’t know if theres nothing

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Unless ...

[Chizzang]

Jesus is fine, but God is completely f*cked up.

At best, it's an abusive relationship...a good person trying to convince everyone his bestie isn't a dick.
Did a good job of it too.

In a lot of ways I agree with this ^
There is nothing about Jesus that I don't like - he's totally lovable

However, if God is omnipotent, truly all powerful
the only reasonable conclusion is God is a complete monster
just measuring the daily slaughter of 25,000 toddlers is enough to turn your stomach

[89Hen]

However, if God is omnipotent, truly all powerful
the only reasonable conclusion is God is a complete monster
just measuring the daily slaughter of 25,000 toddlers is enough to turn your stomach

It's like deja vu all over again.

[BDKJMU]

“Transgender sprinters finish 1st, 2nd at Connecticut girls indoor track championships

.....She recently finished second in the 55-meter dash at the state open indoor track championships. The winner, Terry Miller of Bloomfield High, is also transgender and set a girls state indoor record of 6.95 seconds. Yearwood finished in 7.01 seconds and the third-place competitor, who is not transgender, finished in 7.23 seconds.

Miller and Yearwood also topped the 100-meter state championships last year, and Miller won the 300 this season....

....Connecticut is one of 17 states that allow transgender high school athletes to compete without restrictions, according to Transathlete.com, which tracks state policies in high school sports across the country....
https://washingtontimes.com/news/2019/f ... -sprinter/
Apparently one of them even had a full mustache to boot..

Somewhere along the line, some parents of HS girls are going to sue and win a major lawsuit, which will put an end to this.

Transgenders are still generating male hormones regardless of how many surgeries they get. They need to have their own classification.


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Male cyclist wins a gold medal & sets a world record in womens’ cycling.
https://triblive.com/sports/trans-woman ... pionships/

[UNI88]

Jesus is fine, but God is completely f*cked up.

At best, it's an abusive relationship...a good person trying to convince everyone his bestie isn't a dick.
Did a good job of it too.

In a lot of ways I agree with this ^
There is nothing about Jesus that I don't like - he's totally lovable

However, if God is omnipotent, truly all powerful
the only reasonable conclusion is God is a complete monster
just measuring the daily slaughter of 25,000 toddlers is enough to turn your stomach

Free will. If God is trying to change the results than it really isn't free will. Now for those that believe in predestination, God is a monster.

[Skjellyfetti]

President Donald Trump on Monday claimed he's receiving unfair scrutiny because of the "phony emoluments clause," as he defended his prior decision to host next year's G-7 summit at his Doral resort in Miami.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/2 ... use-053289

[Chizzang]

In a lot of ways I agree with this ^
There is nothing about Jesus that I don't like - he's totally lovable

However, if God is omnipotent, truly all powerful
the only reasonable conclusion is God is a complete monster
just measuring the daily slaughter of 25,000 toddlers is enough to turn your stomach

Free will. If God is trying to change the results than it really isn't free will. Now for those that believe in predestination, God is a monster.

I understand free will (thank you)

I'm curious if you think free will and then God answering prayers are consistent..?
This is the "tennis without the net" game that Religions play

They love to throw around free will
but then insist that answering prayers and gods will and all that are common

When you ask about this - the response is blah blah blah "mysterious"
Well it's not very mysterious to me
any all powerful omnipotent entity that behaves like this god - is absolutely a monster



Explain how I'm wrong please
(please... I've been waiting years for somebody to simply explain)

[UNI88]

Free will. If God is trying to change the results than it really isn't free will. Now for those that believe in predestination, God is a monster.

I understand free will (thank you)

I'm curious if you think free will and then God answering prayers are consistent..?
This is the "tennis without the net" game that Religions play

They love to throw around free will
but then insist that answering prayers and gods will and all that are common

When you ask about this - the response is blah blah blah "mysterious"
Well it's not very mysterious to me
any all powerful omnipotent entity that behaves like this god - is absolutely a monster



Explain how I'm wrong please
(please... I've been waiting years for somebody to simply explain)

I don't know. I haven't really thought about the conflict between free will and prayers being answered.

Bad stuff happens and there are a number of possible explanations:
- There is no god/gods
- God is a monster
- God has given us free will and some people are monsters.

Do we have free will if god intervenes? What if we asked him/her/it to intervene?

[kalm]

I understand free will (thank you)

I'm curious if you think free will and then God answering prayers are consistent..?
This is the "tennis without the net" game that Religions play

They love to throw around free will
but then insist that answering prayers and gods will and all that are common

When you ask about this - the response is blah blah blah "mysterious"
Well it's not very mysterious to me
any all powerful omnipotent entity that behaves like this god - is absolutely a monster



Explain how I'm wrong please
(please... I've been waiting years for somebody to simply explain)

I don't know. I haven't really thought about the conflict between free will and prayers being answered.

Bad stuff happens and there are a number of possible explanations:
- There is no god/gods
- God is a monster
- God has given us free will and some people are monsters.

Do we have free will if god intervenes? What if we asked him/her/it to intervene?

If he’s omnipotent he could still intervene if he wanted to. This would still make God a dick.

[UNI88]

I don't know. I haven't really thought about the conflict between free will and prayers being answered.

Bad stuff happens and there are a number of possible explanations:
- There is no god/gods
- God is a monster
- God has given us free will and some people are monsters.

Do we have free will if god intervenes? What if we asked him/her/it to intervene?

If he’s omnipotent he could still intervene if he wanted to. This would still make God a helicopter parent.

How will mankind evolve and improve if god fixes our problems. We'll just become dependent like Government Motors and the UAW. It's cruel, but maybe sacrifice and suffering are needed for growth and development.

[Chizzang]

I understand free will (thank you)

I'm curious if you think free will and then God answering prayers are consistent..?
This is the "tennis without the net" game that Religions play

They love to throw around free will
but then insist that answering prayers and gods will and all that are common

When you ask about this - the response is blah blah blah "mysterious"
Well it's not very mysterious to me
any all powerful omnipotent entity that behaves like this god - is absolutely a monster



Explain how I'm wrong please
(please... I've been waiting years for somebody to simply explain)

I don't know. I haven't really thought about the conflict between free will and prayers being answered.

Bad stuff happens and there are a number of possible explanations:
- There is no god/gods
- God is a monster
- God has given us free will and some people are monsters.

Do we have free will if god intervenes? What if we asked him/her/it to intervene?

Well of course...
people that don't believe that god can be manipulated through prayer
don't tend to ponder the juxtaposition of free will and godly intervention

What purpose does free will serve if god can be coerced into answering requests

Here's the problem at it's core:
Would you buy a lottery ticket if you knew the lottery was rigged
but you didn't know who it was that had rigged the lottery

Would you buy a lottery ticket if you knew the lottery was rigged
and also knew exactly who rigged it and how it was rigged

Well this ^ is Religion and Free Will and Prayer...
If I can convince you I've rigged the lottery and how it's been rigged
It's pretty easy for me to sell you a lottery ticket at that point

[kalm]

If he’s omnipotent he could still intervene if he wanted to. This would still make God a helicopter parent.

How will mankind evolve and improve if god fixes our problems. We'll just become dependent like Government Motors and the UAW. It's cruel, but maybe sacrifice and suffering are needed for growth and development.

Have to break Chizzy’s 25,000 eggs to make an omelette?

[Chizzang]

How will mankind evolve and improve if god fixes our problems. We'll just become dependent like Government Motors and the UAW. It's cruel, but maybe sacrifice and suffering are needed for growth and development.

Have to break Chizzy’s 25,000 eggs to make an omelette?

25,000 toddlers a day is such a small price to pay really...
Did I mention Joel Osteen got a new Jet

[Winterborn]

It makes perfect sense. In the end - we find out of there is something or nothing.


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Re-reading my comment I can see how it could be taken differently, but all I meant was what Ibanez mentioned above. It was a bad attempt at explaining what I was thinking, which is not surprisingly since I had been flying all day with a severe head cold.


Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

[css75]

Jesus is fine, but God is completely f*cked up.

At best, it's an abusive relationship...a good person trying to convince everyone his bestie isn't a dick.

Did a good job of it too.

God sent Jesus, to die for everyone’s sins. Jesus is sinless and stands in for us, and frees us from condemnation.


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[css75]

Have to break Chizzy’s 25,000 eggs to make an omelette?

25,000 toddlers a day is such a small price to pay really...
Did I mention Joel Osteen got a new Jet

Just for the record, Joel Osteen is a great motivational speaker, as a man of God spreading God’s word, not so much. I am not a fan.


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[∞∞∞]

Jesus is fine, but God is completely f*cked up.

At best, it's an abusive relationship...a good person trying to convince everyone his bestie isn't a dick.

Did a good job of it too.

God sent Jesus, to die for everyone’s sins. Jesus is sinless and stands in for us, and frees us from condemnation.

The sacrifice is one of the oldest tropes in religion. The event of Jesus' death is just an evolution of previous tales requiring the sacrifice of humans or animals to appease God.

Additionally, the Abrahamic God is a direct descendant - anthropologically traceable - to Yahweh, an ancient God of War in the area. I don't know the exact history, but he went from being one of many gods in polytheistic religions to becoming the God as monotheism took hold. Throughout that time though, he always maintained the blood sacrifice to appease him (which makes sense as God of War). Additionally, it's where God's violence and vengefulness comes from in the Abrahamic religions.

Jesus' death is just that: a story of sacrifice to appease that time period's iteration of Yahweh.

[kalm]