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[89Hen]

Garbage in...

Well we can certainly agree on that...

That your writing on this thread is garbage. Check.

[Chizzang]

Well we can certainly agree on that...

That your writing on this thread is garbage. Check.

My writing tends to be pretty good
It's my ideas that I think you don't like

(maybe both)

[kalm]

I don't think of faith as a rational thing. I respect those who have it and those who don't. Their belief or lack of belief is personal and none of my business.

I will take occasional cracks at catholics but that's probably because my step mom was catholic and she didn't think that the ten commandments applied when dealing with non-catholics.

Of course it's not. Trying to apply science to religion is as stupid as the other way around.

So what makes any religion better than another? Do Catholics not scoff at paganism or Scientology?

[UNI88]

Of course it's not. Trying to apply science to religion is as stupid as the other way around.

So what makes any religion better than another? Do Catholics not scoff at paganism or Scientology?

Some do, kind of like some atheists scoff at catholics. I try not to scoff at anyone so don't lump me in with them.

Respect ≠ Sacred.

[89Hen]

Of course it's not. Trying to apply science to religion is as stupid as the other way around.

So what makes any religion better than another? Do Catholics not scoff at paganism or Scientology?

Define "scoff". I like when people have religion, doesn't have to be mine. There are rare exceptions where people use religion to do evil against other people, but I believe in general folks benefit from having belief.

[89Hen]

That your writing on this thread is garbage. Check.

My writing tends to be pretty good
It's my ideas that I think you don't like

(maybe both)

You VERY clearly stated that if god is omnipotent he is a monster (period) because he let's children die. So unless that isn't your contention, my reading is just fine and you're correct that it's your idea that is weak, which IS what I questioned from the beginning.

[Chizzang]

in summary

1) religion isn't any more sacred than any other idea or collection of ideas
It should be treated the same as topics such as ventriloquism, puppetry or astrology

2) If god is omnipotent and all powerful
then there is a hell of a lot more evidence that suggests god is a monster than a loving caretaker
and YES if you're going to claim omnipotence then evidence can be used to measure his works

3) The catchall of free will is in conflict with omnipotence based solely on one observation
omnipotence could make everything appear to be free will when its actually all being controlled
so the argument we have free will and god is omnipotent is ridiculous - truly tennis without the net
and we're back to asking about 25,000 dead toddlers every day - why so many..?

[89Hen]

Yup, it's your idea, not so much the writing that's the problem.

[Chizzang]

Yup, it's your idea, not so much the writing that's the problem.

[UNI88]

in summary

1) religion isn't any more sacred than any other idea or collection of ideas
It should be treated the same as topics such as ventriloquism, puppetry or astrology

2) If god is omnipotent and all powerful
then there is a hell of a lot more evidence that suggests god is a monster than a loving caretaker
and YES if you're going to claim omnipotence then evidence can be used to measure his works

3) The catchall of free will is in conflict with omnipotence based solely on one observation
omnipotence could make everything appear to be free will when its actually all being controlled
so the argument we have free will and god is omnipotent is ridiculous - truly tennis without the net
and we're back to asking about 25,000 dead toddlers every day - why so many..?

First, omnipotent and all powerful are redundant. Omnipotent and omniscient would be a better choice of words for the argument you are making.

Second, I never said god was omnipotent (or omniscient). I have no clue if he/she/it is.

Third, I also have no clue what we mean to god. Are we just an experiment in a petri dish with no more value to god than microorganisms have to humans? Are we something that he/she/it takes great interest in but wants us to find our own way through the good and bad (free will and all)? Or is it something completely different?

Fourth, how do we know that god hasn't interfered already and things would be worse (or better) if he/she/it hadn't? I realize that #3 and #4 are somewhat at odds with each other but WTF as long as we're asking what if questions.

[kalm]

So what makes any religion better than another? Do Catholics not scoff at paganism or Scientology?

Define "scoff". I like when people have religion, doesn't have to be mine. There are rare exceptions where people use religion to do evil against other people, but I believe in general folks benefit from having belief.

So Scientology is just as legit as Catholicism?

[Chizzang]

in summary

1) religion isn't any more sacred than any other idea or collection of ideas
It should be treated the same as topics such as ventriloquism, puppetry or astrology

2) If god is omnipotent and all powerful
then there is a hell of a lot more evidence that suggests god is a monster than a loving caretaker
and YES if you're going to claim omnipotence then evidence can be used to measure his works

3) The catchall of free will is in conflict with omnipotence based solely on one observation
omnipotence could make everything appear to be free will when its actually all being controlled
so the argument we have free will and god is omnipotent is ridiculous - truly tennis without the net
and we're back to asking about 25,000 dead toddlers every day - why so many..?

First, omnipotent and all powerful are redundant. Omnipotent and omniscient would be a better choice of words for the argument you are making.

Second, I never said god was omnipotent (or omniscient). I have no clue if he/she/it is.

Third, I also have no clue what we mean to god. Are we just an experiment in a petri dish with no more value to god than microorganisms have to humans? Are we something that he/she/it takes great interest in but wants us to find our own way through the good and bad (free will and all)? Or is it something completely different?

Fourth, how do we know that god hasn't interfered already and things would be worse (or better) if he/she/it hadn't? I realize that #3 and #4 are somewhat at odds with each other but WTF as long as we're asking what if questions.

I got no problems what any if that ^ up there... and none of it was specifically directed at you

[89Hen]

Define "scoff". I like when people have religion, doesn't have to be mine. There are rare exceptions where people use religion to do evil against other people, but I believe in general folks benefit from having belief.

So Scientology is just as legit as Catholicism?

To their believers it is. Mine is not the place to say. Does your's or anyone else's contempt of Catholicism make me feel it's not legit?

[kalm]

So Scientology is just as legit as Catholicism?

To their believers it is. Mine is not the place to say. Does your's or anyone else's contempt of Catholicism make me feel it's not legit?

So yes then. Scientology is just as legit as Catholicism. Got it.

[SeattleGriz]

in summary

1) religion isn't any more sacred than any other idea or collection of ideas
It should be treated the same as topics such as ventriloquism, puppetry or astrology

2) If god is omnipotent and all powerful
then there is a hell of a lot more evidence that suggests god is a monster than a loving caretaker
and YES if you're going to claim omnipotence then evidence can be used to measure his works

3) The catchall of free will is in conflict with omnipotence based solely on one observation
omnipotence could make everything appear to be free will when its actually all being controlled
so the argument we have free will and god is omnipotent is ridiculous - truly tennis without the net
and we're back to asking about 25,000 dead toddlers every day - why so many..?

Good trolling!

So where does our inability to even fathom what God is or isn't come into all these questions? I see you've got your go to script in play here.

You're on record as saying that it was absurd for humans to "project" their ideas onto God, for how are we to understand a Power so great? Outside of what has been revealed to me through the Word, I comprehend nothing of God and neither do you. That's why I love your lectures on how what I am doing is ALL WRONG!

You trying to classify God as a monster is hilarious.

PS Your fact on evolution having enough time is incorrect. Not even enough time to try all the possible variations for functional proteins. More options than planets in the Universe. That's a pretty tall order for amino acids to "mistake" their way to a functional protein.

[89Hen]

To their believers it is. Mine is not the place to say. Does your's or anyone else's contempt of Catholicism make me feel it's not legit?

So yes then. Scientology is just as legit as Catholicism. Got it.

Glad you'll be able to sleep tonight.

[Chizzang]

in summary

1) religion isn't any more sacred than any other idea or collection of ideas
It should be treated the same as topics such as ventriloquism, puppetry or astrology

2) If god is omnipotent and all powerful
then there is a hell of a lot more evidence that suggests god is a monster than a loving caretaker
and YES if you're going to claim omnipotence then evidence can be used to measure his works

3) The catchall of free will is in conflict with omnipotence based solely on one observation
omnipotence could make everything appear to be free will when its actually all being controlled
so the argument we have free will and god is omnipotent is ridiculous - truly tennis without the net
and we're back to asking about 25,000 dead toddlers every day - why so many..?

Good trolling!

So where does our inability to even fathom what God is or isn't come into all these questions? I see you've got your go to script in play here.

You're on record as saying that it was absurd for humans to "project" their ideas onto God, for how are we to understand a Power so great? Outside of what has been revealed to me through the Word, I comprehend nothing of God and neither do you. That's why I love your lectures on how what I am doing is ALL WRONG!

You trying to classify God as a monster is hilarious.

PS Your fact on evolution having enough time is incorrect. Not even enough time to try all the possible variations for functional proteins. More options than planets in the Universe. That's a pretty tall order for amino acids to "mistake" their way to a functional protein.

where do I say anything about what you're doing is all wrong..?
That is a really strange thing to say

and where do I give any indication that I comprehend god..?
quite the opposite in fact

I wonder about your ability to process basic information presented in simple text form
you seem to take it all very personally when its got nothing to do with you - its just chatter

I've said 100 times on here
nobody knows anything about god and certainly no human knows more than another human on god
its all just hopes and dreams and conjecture and in some cases "observation" vs. "proclamation"

only Religions would make such ridiculous claims as to know what god wants

[SeattleGriz]

Good trolling!

So where does our inability to even fathom what God is or isn't come into all these questions? I see you've got your go to script in play here.

You're on record as saying that it was absurd for humans to "project" their ideas onto God, for how are we to understand a Power so great? Outside of what has been revealed to me through the Word, I comprehend nothing of God and neither do you. That's why I love your lectures on how what I am doing is ALL WRONG!

You trying to classify God as a monster is hilarious.

PS Your fact on evolution having enough time is incorrect. Not even enough time to try all the possible variations for functional proteins. More options than planets in the Universe. That's a pretty tall order for amino acids to "mistake" their way to a functional protein.

where do I say anything about what you're doing is all wrong..?
That is a really strange thing to say

and where do I give any indication that I comprehend god..?
quite the opposite in fact

I wonder about your ability to process basic information presented in simple text form
you seem to take it all very personally when its got nothing to do with you - its just chatter

I've said 100 times on here
nobody knows anything about god and certainly no human knows more than another human on god
its all just hopes and dreams and conjecture and in some cases "observation" vs. "proclamation"

only Religions would make such ridiculous claims as to know what god wants

No, I wonder about your ability to process basic information presented in simple text form.

I was talking about your telling Christians how "all wrong" they are on how they practice, life, beliefs, etc. You seem really defensive.

So if you don't know about God, why do you keep asking hypotheticals? You kinda sounded like an authority on the subject.

[Chizzang]

where do I say anything about what you're doing is all wrong..?
That is a really strange thing to say

and where do I give any indication that I comprehend god..?
quite the opposite in fact

I wonder about your ability to process basic information presented in simple text form
you seem to take it all very personally when its got nothing to do with you - its just chatter

I've said 100 times on here
nobody knows anything about god and certainly no human knows more than another human on god
its all just hopes and dreams and conjecture and in some cases "observation" vs. "proclamation"

only Religions would make such ridiculous claims as to know what god wants

No, I wonder about your ability to process basic information presented in simple text form.

I was talking about your telling Christians how "all wrong" they are on how they practice, life, beliefs, etc. You seem really defensive.

So if you don't know about God, why do you keep asking hypotheticals? You kinda sounded like an authority on the subject.

If you could just tell me where I say you're all wrong... (please take your time and be specific)
and Hypothetical questions are just that... suggested ideas theories and conjecture



you've been drinking haven't you...

[kalm]

So yes then. Scientology is just as legit as Catholicism. Got it.

Glad you'll be able to sleep tonight.

FTR, it's not. Scientology is bat shit crazy. But if it has made someone a better person without hurting others...so be it.

And there are parts of catholicism that are truly wonderful and impressive and it has helped form some tremendous people.

I just think that it all deserves scrutiny and questioning.

Still friends?

[SeattleGriz]

No, I wonder about your ability to process basic information presented in simple text form.

I was talking about your telling Christians how "all wrong" they are on how they practice, life, beliefs, etc. You seem really defensive.

So if you don't know about God, why do you keep asking hypotheticals? You kinda sounded like an authority on the subject.

If you could just tell me where I say you're all wrong... (please take your time and be specific)
and Hypothetical questions are just that... suggested ideas theories and conjecture



you've been drinking haven't you...

How about this part?

2) If god is omnipotent and all powerful
then there is a hell of a lot more evidence that suggests god is a monster than a loving caretaker
and YES if you're going to claim omnipotence then evidence can be used to measure his works

You sure know a lot about God.

[Chizzang]

If you could just tell me where I say you're all wrong... (please take your time and be specific)
and Hypothetical questions are just that... suggested ideas theories and conjecture



you've been drinking haven't you...

How about this part?

2) If god is omnipotent and all powerful
then there is a hell of a lot more evidence that suggests god is a monster than a loving caretaker
and YES if you're going to claim omnipotence then evidence can be used to measure his works

You sure know a lot about God.

Reading skills my friend reading skilz... "if"
If your mother had wheels she'd be a Ford F-250...

if

Nobody knows - that's why we all say if...
except Joel Osteen and the televangelists, they speaks definitively about god
everybody else says "if"



You'll also notice the guy I was debating with 89hen said he disagreed with my ideas
and that they were dumb ideas... and I have no problem with that
its totally okay to disagree - but lets not wildly misconstrue plain text

[css75]

Yup, it's your idea, not so much the writing that's the problem.

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[css75]

If you could just tell me where I say you're all wrong... (please take your time and be specific)
and Hypothetical questions are just that... suggested ideas theories and conjecture



you've been drinking haven't you...

How about this part?

2) If god is omnipotent and all powerful
then there is a hell of a lot more evidence that suggests god is a monster than a loving caretaker
and YES if you're going to claim omnipotence then evidence can be used to measure his works

You sure know a lot about God.

Not nearly as much as God knows about him.


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[kalm]

How about this part?



You sure know a lot about God.

Not nearly as much as God k owns about him.


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What does God know about Cleets and how do YOU know?