Roe v Wade Anniversary

[89Hen]

your opinion matters not one iota. It's legal, it's gonna stay legal, tough shit...

BTW, that's probably the way a lot of whites talked in the 50's about civil rights.

(and don't get bent out of shape, I'm not calling you a racist)

[Appaholic]

your opinion matters not one iota. It's legal, it's gonna stay legal, tough shit...

BTW, that's probably the way a lot of whites talked in the 50's about civil rights.

(and don't get bent out of shape, I'm not calling you a racist)

So, you are now equating supporting patient/doctor confidentiality with being a tacit racist....

[89Hen]

patient/doctor confidentiality

You can try to twist this any way you want... pro-choicers usually have to in order to avoid answering the real and tough questions.

As for comparing pro-abortion stance to racism.... pro-abortion is worse IMO.

[Appaholic]

BTW, due to your statement on different thread, all other arguments on any other subjects are moot, invalid & lack credibility...

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» Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:11 am

Man, I love Pink, but that was just a bit over the top....

Seriously? That was pretty damn cool. Of all the pop stars in the last 10 years, she is my favorite.

[89Hen]

"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"

Which word comes first? Think it's by chance?

[Appaholic]

patient/doctor confidentiality

You can try to twist this any way you want... pro-choicers usually have to in order to avoid answering the real and tough questions.

As for comparing pro-abortion stance to racism.... pro-abortion is worse IMO.

So it has nothing to do with this...all cases are murder...glad to see we can have a discussion on this....

[Appaholic]

"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"

Which word comes first? Think it's by chance?

I didn't see an "or" anywhere in the statement....think it's by chance?

[89Hen]

all cases are murder..

WHY DO YOU KEEP TRYING TO GO THERE TIME AND TIME AGAIN???? I've clearly said no, not all cases are murder. If you kill a person in self-defense it's not murder. There can be the same type of stipulations for this.

As Joe posted earlier in this thread (which you obviously don't recall half of) even states that outlawed abortion (pre RvW) had clauses that allowed for it when the mother's life was in jeopardy.

So now I guess you're going to ask for the umpteenth time, who decides and who enforces this, and I'd tell you to go back and read my numerous responses telling you the doctors would be investigated if they have a higher than normal rate of abortions.

[89Hen]

I didn't see an "or" anywhere in the statement....think it's by chance?

Can you have liberty or pursuit without life first?

[89Hen]

BTW, due to your statement on different thread, all other arguments on any other subjects are moot, invalid & lack credibility...

One word for you.... RUCKUS.

[Appaholic]

BTW, due to your statement on different thread, all other arguments on any other subjects are moot, invalid & lack credibility...

One word for you.... RUCKUS.

Well played...

[Appaholic]

all cases are murder..

WHY DO YOU KEEP TRYING TO GO THERE TIME AND TIME AGAIN???? I've clearly said no, not all cases are murder. If you kill a person in self-defense it's not murder. There can be the same type of stipulations for this.

As Joe posted earlier in this thread (which you obviously don't recall half of) even states that outlawed abortion (pre RvW) had clauses that allowed for it when the mother's life was in jeopardy.

So now I guess you're going to ask for the umpteenth time, who decides and who enforces this, and I'd tell you to go back and read my numerous responses telling you the doctors would be investigated if they have a higher than normal rate of abortions.

Hen, I've never disputed placing limits upon abortions. I view your "right" to an abortion the way I view your "right" to vote....conditions can be attached (like age, parental consent...heck, even the number of abortions allowed per person). My only argument, & forgive me if I misunderstood your stance, was with outlawing it entirely but allowing it on a case-by-case basis to be determined by a board or official (who is subject to the whims of the populace). In all things, I would rather err on the side of allowing too much liberty vs disallowing liberty. So, if you agree with what I'm saying, then we've been spinning our tires for about 8 pages of this thread...

[89Hen]

My only argument, & forgive me if I misunderstood your stance, was with outlawing it entirely but allowing it on a case-by-case basis to be determined by a board or official (who is subject to the whims of the populace). In all things, I would rather err on the side of allowing too much liberty vs disallowing liberty. So, if you agree with what I'm saying, then we've been spinning our tires for about 8 pages of this thread...

I think we're closer, but we definitely don't agree. I am for outlawing it except in the case of putting the mother's life in jeopardy. The doctor makes that call. It's easy to oversee. If abortions because of mothers health are now occuring at a rate of 0.0x%, if you outlaw abortions, the rate of abortions because of mothers health should be 0.0x% after. You find a doctor that is all of a sudden at 5%... we've got a problem with that doctor. Doctors do need licenses in order to practice.

I am curious... why would you limit age, number of abortions per woman, parental consent, or any other things?

Oh, and BTW, I definitely will never use "right" and abortion in the same sentence (again).

[Appaholic]

My only argument, & forgive me if I misunderstood your stance, was with outlawing it entirely but allowing it on a case-by-case basis to be determined by a board or official (who is subject to the whims of the populace). In all things, I would rather err on the side of allowing too much liberty vs disallowing liberty. So, if you agree with what I'm saying, then we've been spinning our tires for about 8 pages of this thread...

I think we're closer, but we definitely don't agree. I am for outlawing it except in the case of putting the mother's life in jeopardy. The doctor makes that call. It's easy to oversee. If abortions because of mothers health are now occuring at a rate of 0.0x%, if you outlaw abortions, the rate of abortions because of mothers health should be 0.0x% after. You find a doctor that is all of a sudden at 5%... we've got a problem with that doctor. Doctors do need licenses in order to practice.

I am curious... why would you limit age, number of abortions per woman, parental consent, or any other things?

Oh, and BTW, I definitely will never use "right" and abortion in the same sentence (again).

BTW, I don't think it's a right anymore than driving or voting is a right, hence the reason it's in quotations. And as I stated earlier, I would rather err on the side of too many liberties with restrictions/conditions on those livberties instead of outlawing something allowed by law. The reason I don't mind restrictions is I don't trust our elected officials to use sound judgement in determining an issue as personal as this one. In other words, I wouldn't want to go to someone like yourself (no offense intended)to seek "permission" to do something that I currently can do without your permission. I wouldn't want to have to plead the merits of my case or situation for your approval while the fetus continues to grow inside my body. If my wife got raped, whether or not her life was in danger wouldn't be my first consideration. I wouldn't want her to be forced to carry the bastard seed to fruition to placate your concept of "all life is precious". Because, IMO, all life is not precious. If it were, we would outlaw automobiles & save 40k lives a year. So now we are back to a judgment call along ethics & moral guidelines which are different for all people. Don't need another layer of bureacracy attached to my life.

[89Hen]

If my wife got raped

I just think you have to go to such extreme cases to try to build one. Abortions or even pregnancies because of rape happen how often? Killing hundreds of thousands of babies to keep the liberty of 1 in 1,000,000 cases like this?

[89Hen]

your concept of "all life is precious". Because, IMO, all life is not precious. If it were, we would outlaw automobiles & save 40k lives a year.

I don't like that analogy at all. I have a choice to drive. Not everyone who drives is killed. Aborted babies have no choice. 100% of aborted babies are killed. Ironic considering the "pro-choice" name.

[Appaholic]

If my wife got raped

I just think you have to go to such extreme cases to try to build one. Abortions or even pregnancies because of rape happen how often? Killing hundreds of thousands of babies to keep the liberty of 1 in 1,000,000 cases like this?

You asked my reasoning & this is it.

[89Hen]

You asked my reasoning & this is it.

So we're just back to that you like your liberty more than you like unborn babies.

[Appaholic]

your concept of "all life is precious". Because, IMO, all life is not precious. If it were, we would outlaw automobiles & save 40k lives a year.

I don't like that analogy at all. I have a choice to drive. Not everyone who drives is killed. Aborted babies have no choice. 100% of aborted babies are killed. Ironic considering the "pro-choice" name.

But 100% of abortion procedures do not end in death. Nor do 100% of pregnancies result in a child. I'm not willing to allow further intrusion in my life to satisfy your need to protect all life. It's a commendable, well-intentioned goal, but not one I share to the exclusion of all other goals in life. I'm sorry this upsets you, but not sorry for my feeling on the matter. Like I said, if that makes me a cold-hearted person, theni can live with that...

[Appaholic]

You asked my reasoning & this is it.

So we're just back to that you like your liberty more than you like unborn babies.

Yes.

[Appaholic]

Actually, i would rescue a dog from the pound before I would save a baby. BTW, how many children have you adopted from mothers who chose to carry their baby to full term & give up for adoption instead of aborting?

[89Hen]

But 100% of abortion procedures do not end in death.

Come again?

[89Hen]

Actually, i would rescue a dog from the pound before I would save a baby.

Sad.

BTW, how many children have you adopted from mothers who chose to carry their baby to full term & give up for adoption instead of aborting?

Relevance? Did you give money to Haiti relief?

BTW, I have adopted a dog from the pound.

[Purple For Life]

Abortion is not a right, it's just not illegal. People used to be able to descriminate against blacks. Were you opposed to that change? Of course not.

No shit, but you have no right to any discussions, decisions or procedures between my doctor & myself, so how are you even going to find out if I have an abortion? It's a legal medical procedure (sure, maybe only %.05 use it as intended) & your opinion matters not one iota. It's legal, it's gonna stay legal, tough shit...

[Purple For Life]

Actually, i would rescue a dog from the pound before I would save a baby. BTW, how many children have you adopted from mothers who chose to carry their baby to full term & give up for adoption instead of aborting?

Me too, except I'd adopt a cat instead of a dog.

Kills me how conservatives, who want government out of their lives, want to intrude on the lives of women. Also kills me that they'd rather spend thousands of dollars in public assistance for single, low income mothers, but refuse to spend $400 for an abortion. But then they bitch that too many people are on welfare and that it costs too much.

Ah, conservatives...just another way to say "hypocrite".