The nub of the climate change thing problem

[CID1990]

Densedawg, you stupid ****, the alleged "effect" misuse was Hippie's attempt to paraphrase (summarize) my assertion: I never made that statement: Your criticism was misdirected.

Go **** off, Troll.

Just wanted to see if you're out of bed yet.

Yeah, TM

He wasnt being a nonreading fvcktard

He was jus checkin on ya

[AZGrizFan]

Just wanted to see if you're out of bed yet.

Yeah, TM

He wasnt being a nonreading fvcktard

He was jus checkin on ya

[travelinman67]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... ected.html

How're those models working for ya'?

Anthropogenic Climate Change=Bullshit

[Ibanez]

If you've ever seen the Colorado river (pictures from 1880's and pictures from today)
You know "man can change" all kinds of sh!t

There are people alive today in their 70's who can describe areas of the Colorado
that used to be a couple hundred feet wider than it is today



7 billion humans is NOT just some benign crab grass over growth... that is 7 billion top predators

Hippie...

...you are fucked up.

Nothing he said is inaccurate. It's arrogant to think we have NO impact on our world (to include the climate).

It's not the climate, but beavers are important animals to have in an ecosystem and we almost wiped them out. The ecology of beavers is fascinating.


Nerd rant..over.

[Ibanez]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... ected.html

How're those models working for ya'?

Anthropogenic Climate Change=Bullshit

That seems to make sense, it's a symbiotic relationship we need the O2, trees need the CO2. Rain forests have their purpose, etc...

From the article

In total, they estimate that forests and other vegetation absorb around 2.7 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide, about 30 per cent of that emitted by humans

So, what about the remaining 70%?

I would still be cautious. These are government scientists.

[travelinman67]

Hippie...

...you are fucked up.

It's arrogant to think we have NO impact on our world (to include the climate).

From my perspective, it's arrogant to think we do have impact on our world.

Global biosystem will reabsorb all traces of humanity once we are gone.

And yes, our time is finite. Be it bio threat, asteroid, volcanic ice age, or self destruction.

[GannonFan]

It's arrogant to think we have NO impact on our world (to include the climate).

From my perspective, it's arrogant to think we do have impact on our world.

Global biosystem will reabsorb all traces of humanity once we are gone.

And yes, our time is finite. Be it bio threat, asteroid, volcanic ice age, or self destruction.

Huh? Of course we can "impact" the earth. The evidence of that is indisputable. If you're talking about long term impact, especially eons after we're gone, then yes, our impact would be small and negligible, but we can surely have an impact.

[Ibanez]

It's arrogant to think we have NO impact on our world (to include the climate).

From my perspective, it's arrogant to think we do have impact on our world.

Global biosystem will reabsorb all traces of humanity once we are gone.

And yes, our time is finite. Be it bio threat, asteroid, volcanic ice age, or self destruction.

I don't see how it is arrogant to think we have an impact. There's proof that our actions have impacted the world. Humans have hunted animals to extinction. Humans have littered waterways. While we are alive, we should be making the planet as hospitable as we can and leave it in better condition than we found it. Humans have been failing in that regard way before we were every born.







We must have different understandings of the word impact.

[Ibanez]

From my perspective, it's arrogant to think we do have impact on our world.

Global biosystem will reabsorb all traces of humanity once we are gone.

And yes, our time is finite. Be it bio threat, asteroid, volcanic ice age, or self destruction.

Huh? Of course we can "impact" the earth. The evidence of that is indisputable. If you're talking about long term impact, especially eons after we're gone, then yes, our impact would be small and negligible, but we can surely have an impact.

To me, eons after we're gone is irrelevant. What matters is the present and foreseeable future.

[JohnStOnge]

Of course we have impacts. Every highly successful species does. Maybe we have the most impact. Maybe not. In any case, we're a highly successful species.

[BDKJMU]

Forest fires would be happening with zero people on the planet.

[BlueHen86]

It's arrogant to think we have NO impact on our world (to include the climate).

From my perspective, it's arrogant to think we do have impact on our world.

Global biosystem will reabsorb all traces of humanity once we are gone.

And yes, our time is finite. Be it bio threat, asteroid, volcanic ice age, or self destruction.

Well, your perspective is idiotic, but hey; SHIT1990 has your back.

[CID1990]

From my perspective, it's arrogant to think we do have impact on our world.

Global biosystem will reabsorb all traces of humanity once we are gone.

And yes, our time is finite. Be it bio threat, asteroid, volcanic ice age, or self destruction.

Well, your perspective is idiotic, but hey; SHIT1990 has your back.

NO, I disagree with TM frequently.

But you are correct in asserting that there is an amount of prestige and legitimacy in being endorsed by me.

[Ibanez]

Forest fires would be happening with zero people on the planet.

That's a picture of deforestation, numbnuts.

[BDKJMU]

Forest fires would be happening with zero people on the planet.

That's a picture of deforestation, numbnuts.

Looks like there was a forest fire, numb nuts.

[Ibanez]

That's a picture of deforestation, numbnuts.

Looks like there was a forest fire, numb nuts.

You're wrong. It's deforestation. Besides, have you seen a picture of a forest fire that has such a clean outline?

[D1B]

That's a picture of deforestation, numbnuts.

Looks like there was a forest fire, numb nuts.

What a fucking idiot! MASSIVE FAIL CONK

[D1B]

It's arrogant to think we have NO impact on our world (to include the climate).

From my perspective, it's arrogant to think we do have impact on our world.

Global biosystem will reabsorb all traces of humanity once we are gone.

And yes, our time is finite. Be it bio threat, asteroid, volcanic ice age, or self destruction.

Ticklemybutt67

[kalm]

Pre-settlement, forest fires in these parts were relatively self-containing as adult ponderosa pines are extremely fire resistant. Fires would come along and clear out the over-abundance of saplings and underbrush. When settlers first appeared the forests were not nearly as thick as today, you could supposedly drive a wagon between the trees. Now, with a greater fuel load due to fire suppression, fires that would have been much smaller and shorter lived, explode.

Fires are also a regenerative part of nature. We had a 13,000 acre fire nearby last August. I'm going to be hiking it in the spring in search of morel mushrooms that pop up in burn areas.

[kalm]

What happened to the "Pause"?

The planet's warmest year on record was 2014, federal scientists announced Friday.

"Humans are literally cooking their planet," said Jonathan Overpeck, an atmospheric scientist from the University of Arizona.

The global temperature from 2014 broke the previous record warmest years of 2005 and 2010 since record-keeping began in 1880.

Two separate data sets of global temperature — from NASA, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration — confirmed the record. Another data set released last week by the Japan Meteorological Agency also found 2014 was the planet's warmest.

The average temperature for 2014 was 58.24 degrees globally, 1.24 degrees above the 20th-century average, NOAA said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2 ... /21857061/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Ibanez]

What happened to the "Pause"?

The planet's warmest year on record was 2014, federal scientists announced Friday.

"Humans are literally cooking their planet," said Jonathan Overpeck, an atmospheric scientist from the University of Arizona.

The global temperature from 2014 broke the previous record warmest years of 2005 and 2010 since record-keeping began in 1880.

Two separate data sets of global temperature — from NASA, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration — confirmed the record. Another data set released last week by the Japan Meteorological Agency also found 2014 was the planet's warmest.

The average temperature for 2014 was 58.24 degrees globally, 1.24 degrees above the 20th-century average, NOAA said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2 ... /21857061/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I read a few articles that the Drudge has posted. Quite interesting.

[HI54UNI]

Dr. Judith Curry has a good explanation that doesn't have the sensationalism. It also has a couple of good links.

http://judithcurry.com/2015/01/16/warme ... more-17601

[YoUDeeMan]

Dr. Judith Curry has a good explanation that doesn't have the sensationalism. It also has a couple of good links.

http://judithcurry.com/2015/01/16/warme ... more-17601

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh...don't show this to kalm.

[kalm]

Dr. Judith Curry has a good explanation that doesn't have the sensationalism. It also has a couple of good links.

http://judithcurry.com/2015/01/16/warme ... more-17601

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh...don't show this to kalm.

Why? I like the current temps. I hope she's right. Unfortunately, there was misleading info in the the first few paragraphs of her analysis.

[houndawg]

BTW when you go to the store you're doing that to buy stuff. You have to bring the stuff back. Walking to the store with a 2 year old might be OK. But walking back from the store with your arms carrying stuff while trying to tend to a 2 year old is a different matter.

Also a case could be made for the proposition that my grand daughter would've been at greater risk if I walked with her to the store than if I'd just stuck her in my truck without a car seat. There are no sidewalks and a short portion of the route is a State highway. You get the picture.

No sidewalks.