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Have you studied where Johnson stands on the issues,
Yes. He's not so bad. I do not like the "fetal viability" position as I think that is a total crock. I might vote for him if I thought he had a chance to win. But he doesn't. It would indeed be a wasted vote.

Of course my vote is probably going to be wasted regardless because I live in Louisiana and that State is probably not going to be in play.
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The real "wasted vote" is a vote against principle and conscience.
My vote is probably not going to count regardless because I live in Louisiana and Louisiana, unfortunately, is almost certainly going to be a Trump State. However, if it did count I would consider it very important to do whatever I could to ensure that Trump does not become President. And that would be based on principle and conscience.

To me, if you are going to vote on the basis of principle and conscience, you look at the reality of the situation and try to do what has the best chance to result in the best outcome.
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Have you studied where Johnson stands on the issues,
Yes. He's not so bad. I do not like the "fetal viability" position as I think that is a total crock. I might vote for him if I thought he had a chance to win. But he doesn't. It would indeed be a wasted vote.

Of course my vote is probably going to be wasted regardless because I live in Louisiana and that State is probably not going to be in play.
John, this makes absolutely no sense. Your vote hasn't been in play in a Presidential election in a long time. Louisiana's electoral votes have gone to the Republican candidate and will likely go to the Republican candidate regardless of how you have voted or will vote this year. Voting for a Republican (or Democrat) when your vote is going to have 0% impact on the outcome of the election is a wasted vote. If it doesn't matter then can vote for the candidate whose platform most closely resembles your own and send a message to the party establishment(s).

A big reason the Republicans are stuck with Trump is that they've taken their base for granted for so long and people go tired and angry and voted for Trump to give voice to that anger. If the establishment wants to know who is to blame for Trump's nomination then they need to take a look in the mirror.

And you might want to look up the definition of principle. Adjusting your vote based on the situation and not voting for the candidate you believe in most is a pragmatic vote not a principled vote.
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Another potential reason to vote for Gary Johnson is that if he gets at least 5% of the popular vote, the Libertarian party will qualify for federal election funds. The republican and democratic parties don't use the federal money, as it limits how much they can spend, but for a third party it would allow them to do much more than they currently can.

I think this would send a much stronger message than voting for the lesser of two evils (whichever you judge that to be). The rep and dem parties don't want anyone else to have a voice.
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catbooster wrote:Another potential reason to vote for Gary Johnson is that if he gets at least 5% of the popular vote, the Libertarian party will qualify for federal election funds. The republican and democratic parties don't use the federal money, as it limits how much they can spend, but for a third party it would allow them to do much more than they currently can.

I think this would send a much stronger message than voting for the lesser of two evils (whichever you judge that to be). The rep and dem parties don't want anyone else to have a voice.
These last two posts (88's too) are dead spot on. :nod:

Jill Stein recognizes Clinton as an equal if not greater threat than Trump...
Green Party candidate Jill Stein blasted Hillary Clinton as having little difference with Donald Trump, saying that while Trump "says scary things," Clinton actually does them.

“Trump says very scary things—deporting immigrants, massive militarism and, you know, ignoring the climate,” Stein said in an interview with Democracy Now, according to a transcript. “Well, Hillary, unfortunately, has a track record for doing all of those things.

“So, the terrible things that we expect from Donald Trump, we’ve actually already seen from Hillary Clinton,” Stein added. “So I’d say, don’t be a victim of this propaganda campaign, which is being waged by people who exercise selective amnesia.”
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You keep saying that Trump is mentally ill but that Hilldog is not. But we know Hilldog is a lesbian so doesn't that make her mentally ill?
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Saw this.... and it sounded like JSO's alter ego :lol:
Hillary Clinton is SICK. Seriously. I can prove it, and the American people need to know about it.

In 2012, Clinton had a cerebral venous thrombosis (blood clot in her brain). The story went like this: Clinton supposedly had an intestinal infection and got severely dehydrated. She fainted, fell, and hit her head, which resulted in a concussion. A few weeks later, she was found to have a cerebral venous thrombosis (blood clot in her brain). Her doctors claimed that she was “making excellent progress” and they were “confident she will make a full recovery.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

Has she made a full recovery? What are the odds that she truly has no neurological deficits from this injury?
CVT Prognosis: According to a large international study in 2004, after an average of 16 months, 57.1 % of CVT patients had no symptoms or signs, 22% had “mild” residual symptoms, 7.5 % had mild impairments, 2.9% had moderate impairments, 2.2% were severely handicapped, and 8.3% had died. So, 42.9% had difficulties after their CVT, ranging from mild impairments to death. Source

Has Clinton shown any signs of impairment? I submit that she has. I submit that much of her “lying” is actually confabulating (or making things up). Confabulation is believed to result from damage to the right frontal lobe of the brain, including the ventromedial frontal lobe. Clinton’s clot was on the right side.

This Breitbart article has a good summary of her health problems, as well as a neurologist discussing these very issues. It’s long but worth a read: Breitbart

Here's some MORE EVIDENCE:

“She is often confused” - Hillary’s own top aide (and possible lover?) Huma Abedin said in an email, “She’s often confused.” Note the date: Jan 2013, just 1 month after her CVT. Source

Debate Bathroom Breaks and Cheating: In late 2015 at a democratic debate, Clinton returned from the break very late, and joked that “it does take me a little longer.” Source.

Now, there have been reports that she was meeting with campaign staff during these breaks, which was against the DNC debate rules Source.

Why was she meeting with staff against the rules? I submit that she was likely being “refreshed” on talking points because her memory is poor.

Nancy Reagan recast as AIDS hero: Source. Seriously? Anyone alive at the time, knows the Reagans were far from AIDS heroes. They actively denied the health crisis for years and were much maligned by the HIV community for doing so. Why would Hillary say this, unprompted? Memory problems or confabulation. She “misspoke.”

Bosnian Sniper Fire: We’ve all heard this story a hundred times. Why would she make this up in an age where there are cameras and the internet? Again, she’s mis-remembering events. Confabulation. It has been pointed out that this was from 2008. Based on this and her history of inappropriate laughter (see below), I submit that she likely had neurological problems BEFORE her concussion too. Source

No Press Conferences: As Trump hammered her on recently, she hasn’t had a press conference in 6 months. In an election year during a hotly contested primary! Why? It’s because she can’t answer unscripted, impromptu questions appropriately and they’re trying to obscure this fact. Source

“Chill pills”: An anonymous campaign aide, claims Clinton has “been having screaming, child-like tantrums that have left staff members in tears and unable to work.”. A campaign advisor says, “We’re having some success in giving her some chill pills.” This is a serious allegation, which would further explain her memory problems. Benzodiazepines (commonly referred to as "chill pills" can cause serious memory problems like she's been showing signs of. It’s worth noting that these tantrums sound similar to the types of tantrums reported by two different FBI agents. Source

4 days of Gaffes: These are just more recent memory lapses of hers that are worth reading. There are hundreds of these. Source

has reminded me of $hillary's bouts of uncontrollable laughter Source. This can be a sign of "pseudobulbar affect" (PBA) which often accompanies strokes and other neurological conditions. According to PBAINFO.org:
PBA outbursts can be inappropriate The crying or laughing episodes are inappropriate to the situation in which they occur. Sometimes these are spontaneous crying or laughing eruptions that don’t reflect the way a person is actually feeling.

PBA outbursts can be exaggerated Another characteristic of PBA episodes is that though the crying or laughing may be appropriate for a given situation, they’re exaggerated – they’re more intense or last longer than the situation calls for.

Sound like anyone we know? ARF ARF,

I could go on and on, but I think I’ve made my point. This is a big deal and the American people deserve answers to HARD QUESTIONS (not pre-scripted softballs) about these issues, and honestly, I won’t be satisfied without seeing a live memory test on TV.

The American people deserve answers!
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Saw this.... and it sounded like JSO's alter ego :lol:
Hillary Clinton is SICK. Seriously. I can prove it, and the American people need to know about it.

In 2012, Clinton had a cerebral venous thrombosis (blood clot in her brain). The story went like this: Clinton supposedly had an intestinal infection and got severely dehydrated. She fainted, fell, and hit her head, which resulted in a concussion. A few weeks later, she was found to have a cerebral venous thrombosis (blood clot in her brain). Her doctors claimed that she was “making excellent progress” and they were “confident she will make a full recovery.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

Has she made a full recovery? What are the odds that she truly has no neurological deficits from this injury?
CVT Prognosis: According to a large international study in 2004, after an average of 16 months, 57.1 % of CVT patients had no symptoms or signs, 22% had “mild” residual symptoms, 7.5 % had mild impairments, 2.9% had moderate impairments, 2.2% were severely handicapped, and 8.3% had died. So, 42.9% had difficulties after their CVT, ranging from mild impairments to death. Source

Has Clinton shown any signs of impairment? I submit that she has. I submit that much of her “lying” is actually confabulating (or making things up). Confabulation is believed to result from damage to the right frontal lobe of the brain, including the ventromedial frontal lobe. Clinton’s clot was on the right side.

This Breitbart article has a good summary of her health problems, as well as a neurologist discussing these very issues. It’s long but worth a read: Breitbart

Here's some MORE EVIDENCE:

“She is often confused” - Hillary’s own top aide (and possible lover?) Huma Abedin said in an email, “She’s often confused.” Note the date: Jan 2013, just 1 month after her CVT. Source

Debate Bathroom Breaks and Cheating: In late 2015 at a democratic debate, Clinton returned from the break very late, and joked that “it does take me a little longer.” Source.

Now, there have been reports that she was meeting with campaign staff during these breaks, which was against the DNC debate rules Source.

Why was she meeting with staff against the rules? I submit that she was likely being “refreshed” on talking points because her memory is poor.

Nancy Reagan recast as AIDS hero: Source. Seriously? Anyone alive at the time, knows the Reagans were far from AIDS heroes. They actively denied the health crisis for years and were much maligned by the HIV community for doing so. Why would Hillary say this, unprompted? Memory problems or confabulation. She “misspoke.”

Bosnian Sniper Fire: We’ve all heard this story a hundred times. Why would she make this up in an age where there are cameras and the internet? Again, she’s mis-remembering events. Confabulation. It has been pointed out that this was from 2008. Based on this and her history of inappropriate laughter (see below), I submit that she likely had neurological problems BEFORE her concussion too. Source

No Press Conferences: As Trump hammered her on recently, she hasn’t had a press conference in 6 months. In an election year during a hotly contested primary! Why? It’s because she can’t answer unscripted, impromptu questions appropriately and they’re trying to obscure this fact. Source

“Chill pills”: An anonymous campaign aide, claims Clinton has “been having screaming, child-like tantrums that have left staff members in tears and unable to work.”. A campaign advisor says, “We’re having some success in giving her some chill pills.” This is a serious allegation, which would further explain her memory problems. Benzodiazepines (commonly referred to as "chill pills" can cause serious memory problems like she's been showing signs of. It’s worth noting that these tantrums sound similar to the types of tantrums reported by two different FBI agents. Source

4 days of Gaffes: These are just more recent memory lapses of hers that are worth reading. There are hundreds of these. Source

has reminded me of $hillary's bouts of uncontrollable laughter Source. This can be a sign of "pseudobulbar affect" (PBA) which often accompanies strokes and other neurological conditions. According to PBAINFO.org:
PBA outbursts can be inappropriate The crying or laughing episodes are inappropriate to the situation in which they occur. Sometimes these are spontaneous crying or laughing eruptions that don’t reflect the way a person is actually feeling.

PBA outbursts can be exaggerated Another characteristic of PBA episodes is that though the crying or laughing may be appropriate for a given situation, they’re exaggerated – they’re more intense or last longer than the situation calls for.

Sound like anyone we know? ARF ARF,

I could go on and on, but I think I’ve made my point. This is a big deal and the American people deserve answers to HARD QUESTIONS (not pre-scripted softballs) about these issues, and honestly, I won’t be satisfied without seeing a live memory test on TV.

The American people deserve answers!
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Re: Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

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HI54UNI wrote:
HI54UNI wrote:JSO

You keep saying that Trump is mentally ill but that Hilldog is not. But we know Hilldog is a lesbian so doesn't that make her mentally ill?
bump. What say you JSO?
I don't think I've ever seen any actual evidence that she is a lesbian. But let's say that she is. Yes, in that respect she is disfunctional. But I don't think that is as much of a concern as having someone who is friggin 69 years old and acts like a middle school kid. It doesn't mean she has emotional maturity and stability problems.

In any case, it's not like I think Hillary is great. If ANY other Republican candidate had gotten the Republican nomination I'd be all for them right now. It's just that the Republican primary electorate managed to pick the ONE candidate they had to choose from who is totally unacceptable.
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"If you're too dangerous to get on a plane," Clinton insisted, "you're too dangerous to buy a gun in America." Later, she also argued that a pending FBI investigation should deprive Americans of a constitutional right. "If the FBI is watching you for suspected terrorist links, you shouldn't be able to just go buy a gun with no questions asked," Clinton stated — and felt strongly enough about that point for her team to immortalize it in a tweet.
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The terror watch list makes the situation exponentially worse. It lists over a million people, once again without any effective mechanism to challenge that status. And Clinton wants to make that situation even worse. "If there had been a broader list that would have triggered the comprehensive background check required under Brady," she argued, "that might have put a big red flag in the way of [the Orlando gunman] purchasing the assault weapon plus the ammunition." And since it turns out that Mateen had been removed from watch lists in 2014, none of this would have prevented what happened in Orlando anyway.

In this proposal, Clinton and her allies call for an end to due process before denying citizens their constitutional right to bear arms. This is a far more fundamental issue than debating over which firearms to bar from private ownership; it strikes at the fundamental relationship between citizens and the government that exists to serve their liberty interests. Once those principles have been discarded for political expediency on the mere basis of official suspicion, no rights — whether natural or declared — will ever be safe again.
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Do you think that Trump is concerned about Constitutional rights?

I don't. I think he is an Authoritarian.
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JohnStOnge wrote:Do you think that Trump is concerned about Constitutional rights?

I don't. I think he is an Authoritarian.
You'll be the 1st hypocrite bitching about the liberal judges Hildacunt nominates :roll:
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BDKJMU wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Do you think that Trump is concerned about Constitutional rights?

I don't. I think he is an Authoritarian.
You'll be the 1st hypocrite bitching about the liberal judges Hildacunt nominates :roll:
She's got 2 on the docket..?
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OL FU wrote:Could have sworn at one time I saw a delete button :(
It's at the bottom of the "edit post" screen, but it's not available when a newer post appears in the thread.
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Chizzang wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
You'll be the 1st hypocrite bitching about the liberal judges Hildacunt nominates :roll:
She's got 2 on the docket..?
I thought Scalia was the only old nutball the kicked the bucket ..?
So you don't think any more will die or retire in the next eight years? I'll take that bet with you.
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Not that anyone cares, but Clinton and Rubio win the DC primaries.
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93henfan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
She's got 2 on the docket..?
I thought Scalia was the only old nutball the kicked the bucket ..?
So you don't think any more will die or retire in the next eight years? I'll take that bet with you.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-1 ... nce-claims
As MEE notes, the Petra News Agency published on Sunday what it described as exclusive comments from Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman which included a claim that Riyadh has provided 20 percent of the total funding to the prospective Democratic candidate's campaign.
I'm not sure how honest this newssite is, so take it FWIW.
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93henfan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
She's got 2 on the docket..?
I thought Scalia was the only old nutball the kicked the bucket ..?
So you don't think any more will die or retire in the next eight years? I'll take that bet with you.
I sure hope - regardless which one wins - that this will be a single term president. Obviously incumbents have a huge advantage and presidents are almost always 2 terms...
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Encouraging news in this Bloomberg poll:

http://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/i ... tTBR0ug/v0

It has Clinton leading Trump by 12 percentage points among "Likely Voters." It's a snapshot and things could always change quickly but there are a number of things about this situation that are good.

1) The polling company is Selzer & Company. 538 rated more than 350 polling agencies. Only 5 of them got A+. Selzer & Company is one of the five.

2) The actual sampling error margin of error is for the difference between Clinton and Trump is, as is just about always the case, larger than the 3.6 percentage points reported for the poll. It's about 6.7 percentage points. But the margin, 12, is still substantially larger than the margin of error for the difference.

3) Polls of "Likely Voters" tend to look better for Republicans than polls of "Registered Voters" do. The fact that this is a "Likely Voters" poll and still shows a big lead like that for HIllary is a positive.

4) This is a continuation of something I've been noticing. During the Republican primaries Donald Trump would act like a prepubescent asshole then actually gain in the polls. That does not appear to be working in the general election environment. He may indeed be paying for acting like a prepubescent asshole. And if acting like a prepubescent asshole doesn't work for him I don't know what he's going to do because he certainly isn't capable of debating actual substance. If acting like a prepubescent asshlole doesn't work he's got nothing.

Let's hope the trend continues. It'll be interesting to see if the Orlando homosexual club mass murder incident has an impact one way or another. Let's also hope the FBI shits or gets off the can on the E mail thing and Hillary skates on that so we can dispatch the threat of having a complete nut job with the emotional maturity of a 10 year old being President of the United States.
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Check this out. More information, I think, suggesting that Trump acting like a prepubescent asshole as he did during the primary might not work in the general election. Look at the chart of the RealClearPolitics average of polls:

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Trump briefly and narrowly took the "lead" in the average May 22 - 25. But he's been declining since then. And he clearly declined through is latest prepubescent asshole act. And, yes, it's pretty clear that you can tell even while considering the "fuzziness" of polls.

This is good.
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JohnStOnge wrote:Check this out.

This is good.
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The FBI is really starting to piss me off. Not that they could possibly care. But this thing is ridiculous. We have a friggin' Presidential election going on. You can't tell me they can't go ahead and get done with that e mail crap.
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JohnStOnge wrote:The FBI is really starting to piss me off. Not that they could possibly care. But this thing is ridiculous. We have a friggin' Presidential election going on. You can't tell me they can't go ahead and get done with that e mail crap.
Whassamatta, John? You worried that there might actually be something to that "email crap"? Something that might blow Queen Hildacvnt's campaign out of the water? :lol:
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Ivytalk wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:The FBI is really starting to piss me off. Not that they could possibly care. But this thing is ridiculous. We have a friggin' Presidential election going on. You can't tell me they can't go ahead and get done with that e mail crap.
Whassamatta, John? You worried that there might actually be something to that "email crap"? Something that might blow Queen Hildacvnt's campaign out of the water? :lol:
I do think that, more probably than not, she is going to skate. But yes I am worried in the sense that there is some reasonable chance that she could actually get charged. And if that is going to happen the earlier it happens the better. As long as they have time to adjust to the situation I think that just about any decent candidate the Democrats field would beat Trump. In fact it could be a lot worse for Trump because they will have the opportunity to field someone without the baggage and the high negative rating.

Meanwhile I think if they finish up and do not charge her...we get news saying the investigation is over and HIllary is in the clear...she will get a bump in the polls and be in a stronger position than she is now.

But for Pete's sake get it done one way or another. There's an unusual time sensitive aspect of this thing and I think they should be cognizant of that. Whatever they decide to do the longer they wait to decide it the more it improves the odds of an absolute disaster for this country (i.e., a totally unqualified asshole with the emotional maturity of a middle school kid being President of the United States).
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