Manchin has been saying no to BBB for months -- progressives just didn't want to hear it. But they'd better hear this: Congressional Democrats need Manchin far more than he needs them, and they should think twice about recriminations against him if they hope to keep their very fragile Senate majority.
Ultimately, BBB failing -- at least this go round -- is because Democrats went too big. Swing voters rewarded Biden and supported down ballot Republican candidates in 2020 to check, not enable, the excesses of the left wing of the Democratic Party. By telling Americans BBB won't cost anything, Democrats insulted the sensibilities and intelligence of many of their swing voting constituents. What's more, moderate House Democrats have been harmed politically by voting for a controversial bill in the House that was unable to pass the Senate. House Republicans made the same fateful mistake on the Obamacare replacement legislation in 2017 before McCain went thumbs down and killed it.
The extremes on the far left and far right will never learn these hard lessons because they're inconvenient, as political incentives command them to satisfy the most zealous elements of their party's bases. Consensus and compromise be damned.
Like McCain, Manchin is owed a debt of gratitude. Someone should pin a medal on his chest.
Ivytalk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:11 am
It makes me want to string AOC up by those mammoth hoop earrings.
Yeah…but it’s kind of creepy when you get a hard on while doing it.
The bigger the loops, the big the hoe.
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Don't you fret none. JSO has got these demographic thingys all figured out. He has ASSURED us the conservative party is a dinosaur, dying a slow painful death.
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12
Manchin has been saying no to BBB for months -- progressives just didn't want to hear it. But they'd better hear this: Congressional Democrats need Manchin far more than he needs them, and they should think twice about recriminations against him if they hope to keep their very fragile Senate majority.
Ultimately, BBB failing -- at least this go round -- is because Democrats went too big. Swing voters rewarded Biden and supported down ballot Republican candidates in 2020 to check, not enable, the excesses of the left wing of the Democratic Party. By telling Americans BBB won't cost anything, Democrats insulted the sensibilities and intelligence of many of their swing voting constituents. What's more, moderate House Democrats have been harmed politically by voting for a controversial bill in the House that was unable to pass the Senate. House Republicans made the same fateful mistake on the Obamacare replacement legislation in 2017 before McCain went thumbs down and killed it.
The extremes on the far left and far right will never learn these hard lessons because they're inconvenient, as political incentives command them to satisfy the most zealous elements of their party's bases. Consensus and compromise be damned.
Like McCain, Manchin is owed a debt of gratitude. Someone should pin a medal on his chest.
The people that want to string up Manchin called McCain principled.
If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism. Ronald Reagan, 1975.
Mandate the jab...healthcare workers getting fired en masse because they refuse to bend the knee....shortage of workers ensues....those who ARE working are now overworked, with vacations and PTO cancelled...more quit due to quality of life issues...now there's a catastrophic healthcare worker crisis.
Defund the Police....departments across the country feel unappreciated and overworked....Dem run cities cut funding or vow to disband departments altogether....forces cut 30%, 40%, 50%....remaining cops are overworked, with vacation and PTO cancelled....response times to crimes skyrocket....murder rates skyrocket in blue cities.....MORE cops quit due to horrible working conditions....city governments (who apparently never saw this coming) reverse course and start offering sign on bonuses, significantly increased pay....because now there's a catastrophic law enforcement officer crisis.
Just two recent examples of government intervention actually CREATING crises.
If there's not a continual emergency, how can they implement "emergency powers"?
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12
You don't seem to understand how deep the Republicans loathing of people that aren't white is. I probably don't either but its deep enough that they'd rather have to cheat to win with an all-white Party than accept a natural constituency of voters that aren't white. It only makes sense from the standpoint of they don't want to expand their one note samba beyond "the wealthy deserve a tax-free ride".
The best way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of opinion but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - Noam Chomsky
You don't seem to understand how deep the Republicans loathing of people that aren't white is. I probably don't either but its deep enough that they'd rather have to cheat to win with an all-white Party than accept a natural constituency of voters that aren't white. It only makes sense from the standpoint of they don't want to expand their one note samba beyond "the wealthy deserve a tax-free ride".
Once again with the racist lens. Doesn't it get old at ALL with you? Here's a newsflash for you: LOTS of Hispanics are conservative. More and more Blacks are seeing the light. So are many other POC. They are accepted under our big tent with open arms, as long as they don't come along with socialist baggage.
You don't seem to understand how deep the Republicans loathing of people that aren't white is. I probably don't either but its deep enough that they'd rather have to cheat to win with an all-white Party than accept a natural constituency of voters that aren't white. It only makes sense from the standpoint of they don't want to expand their one note samba beyond "the wealthy deserve a tax-free ride".
Stereotyping all Republicans as racist is bigoted. Are you sure that you're an open-minded liberal?
Being wrong about a topic is called post partisanism - kalm
You don't seem to understand how deep the Republicans loathing of people that aren't white is. I probably don't either but its deep enough that they'd rather have to cheat to win with an all-white Party than accept a natural constituency of voters that aren't white. It only makes sense from the standpoint of they don't want to expand their one note samba beyond "the wealthy deserve a tax-free ride".
Once again with the racist lens. Doesn't it get old at ALL with you? Here's a newsflash for you: LOTS of Hispanics are conservative. More and more Blacks are seeing the light. So are many other POC. They are accepted under our big tent with open arms, as long as they don't come along with socialist baggage.
ALL are conservatives. Then again, they've all made something of themselves, so perhaps they fall into your "wealthy" red herring.
Thats what I just told you, fucking halfwit.
A natural constituency for the Republicans; who can't stand looking at them.
The best way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of opinion but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - Noam Chomsky
You don't seem to understand how deep the Republicans loathing of people that aren't white is. I probably don't either but its deep enough that they'd rather have to cheat to win with an all-white Party than accept a natural constituency of voters that aren't white. It only makes sense from the standpoint of they don't want to expand their one note samba beyond "the wealthy deserve a tax-free ride".
Stereotyping all Republicans as racist is bigoted. Are you sure that you're an open-minded liberal?
Never said I was. Thats just you doing your usual legerdemot...
The best way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of opinion but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - Noam Chomsky
AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:50 am
Mandate the jab...healthcare workers getting fired en masse because they refuse to bend the knee....shortage of workers ensues....those who ARE working are now overworked, with vacations and PTO cancelled...more quit due to quality of life issues...now there's a catastrophic healthcare worker crisis.
Defund the Police....departments across the country feel unappreciated and overworked....Dem run cities cut funding or vow to disband departments altogether....forces cut 30%, 40%, 50%....remaining cops are overworked, with vacation and PTO cancelled....response times to crimes skyrocket....murder rates skyrocket in blue cities.....MORE cops quit due to horrible working conditions....city governments (who apparently never saw this coming) reverse course and start offering sign on bonuses, significantly increased pay....because now there's a catastrophic law enforcement officer crisis.
Just two recent examples of government intervention actually CREATING crises.
If there's not a continual emergency, how can they implement "emergency powers"?
Don't forget they are now letting folks with positive test still work. This has been a complete shit show.
You don't seem to understand how deep the Republicans loathing of people that aren't white is. I probably don't either but its deep enough that they'd rather have to cheat to win with an all-white Party than accept a natural constituency of voters that aren't white. It only makes sense from the standpoint of they don't want to expand their one note samba beyond "the wealthy deserve a tax-free ride".
Once again with the racist lens. Doesn't it get old at ALL with you? Here's a newsflash for you: LOTS of Hispanics are conservative. More and more Blacks are seeing the light. So are many other POC. They are accepted under our big tent with open arms, as long as they don't come along with socialist baggage.
You don't seem to understand how deep the Republicans loathing of people that aren't white is. I probably don't either but its deep enough that they'd rather have to cheat to win with an all-white Party than accept a natural constituency of voters that aren't white. It only makes sense from the standpoint of they don't want to expand their one note samba beyond "the wealthy deserve a tax-free ride".
Stereotyping all Republicans as racist is bigoted. Are you sure that you're an open-minded liberal?
houndie is a textbook definition of "shitlib" term that I throw around here.
You don't seem to understand how deep the Republicans loathing of people that aren't white is. I probably don't either but its deep enough that they'd rather have to cheat to win with an all-white Party than accept a natural constituency of voters that aren't white. It only makes sense from the standpoint of they don't want to expand their one note samba beyond "the wealthy deserve a tax-free ride".
Once again with the racist lens. Doesn't it get old at ALL with you? Here's a newsflash for you: LOTS of Hispanics are conservative. More and more Blacks are seeing the light. So are many other POC. They are accepted under our big tent with open arms, as long as they aren't gay, think for themselves, dislike Trump, don't come along with socialist baggage.
