Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[BDKJMU]

BS. With Benghazi incompetence/gross negligence led to people dying. No one died here. Just triggered liberals mad that they lost an election.

I'm sorry, but did liberals control any branch of government when the investigation was opened?

And of course you think Benghazi was more important than free and fair elections. If there's one thing I've learned about Conks, it's their complete disregard to democracy and individual rights.

Yes, the Executive...

[BDKJMU]

I'm sorry, but did liberals control any branch of government when the investigation was opened?

And of course you think Benghazi was more important than free and fair elections. If there's one thing I've learned about Conks, it's their complete disregard to democracy and individual rights.

They had the Executive Branch.


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Beat me too it.

[BDKJMU]

It is now official:

DOUBLE DELUXE NOTHING BURGER


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One man's 4 page letter with little context on a 2 year investigation doesn't mean a nothing burger. 5 convicted directly involved with the President and many others charged is not a nothing burger.

Regarding obstruction of justice, whatever the hell this means is not a nothing burger:
"while this report concludes that the President did not commit a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

Mueller's investigation leading to other prosecuting offices opening their own investigations is not a nothing burger.

I'll accept that no one willingly colluded if that's the case, but this whole thing is not a nothing burger

You know what would help though, and instill public confidence in our institutions?

Releasing the full report.

[Pwns]

[JohnStOnge]

Well, I think the way the Attorney general handled the collusion question was deft. I will say that there is a typical leap on the part of many people in that they say the investigation showed "no collusion." It did not. It did not find sufficient evidence to recommend criminal charges for collusion. Failing to find sufficient evidence to support criminal prosecution of guilt according to the "beyond reasonable doubt" standard is not affirmative evidence of innocence. That kind of misinterpretation is, however, common.

The bad thing is that, for whatever reason, Mueller decided not to reach a conclusion on obstruction of justice and instead just laid out the evidence he found pro and con. I don't know if he intended for the Attorney General to make a decision or not. But either way the Attorney General made the decision and then we had an Attorney General who had written an op ed saying the President can't commit obstruction of Justice making the call. So now we're going to have a big thing over that.

Not that we can get an unbiased assessment either way. Another approach would be to forward the evidence to the House and have the House make the decision. Same kind of problem.

I guess as we learn more I might change my mind but right now I think it would have been better if Mueller would've made a call on that one way or the other.

One thing is clear: There's going to be a lot of pressure to release the entire report at least to certain Congressional committees. And if the Republicans really think there is nothing to worry about they need to cooperate with that process. Then if the Democrats know what's good for them they need to be very careful about how they handle it and not over reach.

[BDKJMU]

Well, I think the way the Attorney general handled the collusion question was deft. I will say that there is a typical leap on the part of many people in that they say the investigation showed "no collusion." It did not. It did not find sufficient evidence to recommend criminal charges for collusion. Failing to find sufficient evidence to support criminal prosecution of guilt according to the "beyond reasonable doubt" standard is not affirmative evidence of innocence. That kind of misinterpretation is, however, common.

The bad thing is that, for whatever reason, Mueller decided not to reach a conclusion on obstruction of justice and instead just laid out the evidence he found pro and con. I don't know if he intended for the Attorney General to make a decision or not. But either way the Attorney General made the decision and then we had an Attorney General who had written an op ed saying the President can't commit obstruction of Justice making the call. So now we're going to have a big thing over that.

Not that we can get an unbiased assessment either way. Another approach would be to forward the evidence to the House and have the House make the decision. Same kind of problem.

I guess as we learn more I might change my mind but right now I think it would have been better if Mueller would've made a call on that one way or the other.

One thing is clear: There's going to be a lot of pressure to release the entire report at least to certain Congressional committees. And if the Republicans really think there is nothing to worry about they need to cooperate with that process. Then if the Democrats know what's good for them they need to be very careful about how they handle it and not over reach.

[BDKJMU]

Anyone heard from SmellyJelly these last 2 days?

[houndawg]

You are ignorant.

By law, certain portions of any special prosecutor’s report cannot be released.

You are being led by the nose - willingly (not surprising)

So you're ok if the public never sees the full report?

Wtf?

Hope the House subpoenas everyone involved if that's the case.

Everyone - including Trump - wants the report publicized.

I'd like to hear what Mueller has to say, not what Barr says Mueller has to say. And I wonder what kind of jack it would it take to get that translator from Helsinki to publish his/her memoirs..... eight figures minimum would be my guess.

[houndawg]

I hate the filthy cocksucker but I don't want him impeached - I'd rather give him another term to drag the Republican party down lower than whaleshit. Just like the old country remedy of tying a dead carcass to a chicken-killing dog until it rots off. The taint of trump will follow them for a long time - there will always be a faint odor of shit downwind from wherever Republicans gather.

[Pwns]

I hate him filthy cocksucker but I don't want him impeached - I'd rather give him another term to drag the Republican party down lower than whaleshit. Just like the old country remedy of tying a dead carcass to a chicken-killing dog until it rots off. The taint of trump will follow them for a long time - there will always be a faint odor of shit downwind from wherever Republicans gather.

The Democrats need only to run it up the middle a few times and take a knee before 2020. But we know they're going to put their demisexual agender quarterback in the game in the name of diversity who will throw a pick 6 and make it a game.

[93henfan]

I hate him filthy cocksucker but I don't want him impeached - I'd rather give him another term to drag the Republican party down lower than whaleshit. Just like the old country remedy of tying a dead carcass to a chicken-killing dog until it rots off. The taint of trump will follow them for a long time - there will always be a faint odor of shit downwind from wherever Republicans gather.

The Democrats need only to run it up the middle a few times and take a knee before 2020. But we know they're going to put their demisexual agender quarterback in the game in the name of diversity who will throw a pick 6 and make it a game.

These are strange times when you have to count on Nancy Pelosi to be the voice of reason.

[CID1990]

You are ignorant.

By law, certain portions of any special prosecutor’s report cannot be released.

You are being led by the nose - willingly (not surprising)

So you're ok if the public never sees the full report?

Wtf?

Hope the House subpoenas everyone involved if that's the case.

Everyone - including Trump - wants the report publicized.

I realize you are distraught, but you still should be able to read what I write without coming to unsupported conclusions

(thats what got you Russiagatebots in trouble in the first place)

I said the report should be released, after it has been redacted for those things I mentioned -

So those things that the public never sees in ANY FBI investigative report or special prosecutor report should also not been seen in this one.

BTW- what Trump thinks is immaterial. If the info in the report only applied to him, then that would be one thing. But there are invariably other actors who were brought up in grand jury testimony who have rights under the Privacy Act -

Trump can always order the complete release of the report, but I thought that back in the early days of his presidency you banshees were all about how Trump was releasing methods and sources to Russians. Now you want him to do it?






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[CID1990]

Right, a lot of government time, resources and money that could of went to something more important.

So it's not worth investigating the hacks of major political parties by Russia and a possible interference in free and fair elections?

^^^^^ that right there is the grandaddy of all straw men



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[Ivytalk]

The Democrats need only to run it up the middle a few times and take a knee before 2020. But we know they're going to put their demisexual agender quarterback in the game in the name of diversity who will throw a pick 6 and make it a game.

These are strange times when you have to count on Nancy Pelosi to be the voice of reason.

But you can always count on substance-free (unless it’s low-grade pot) posts from Houndawg. Like the sun rising in the east.

[Baldy]

[CID1990]

But but but Russia and stuff!

Trip knows that the nothing in the report he cant read will be the nothing they thought it wouldnt be in the first place! Its so simple

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I’m curious to see what’s in it that lead Barr to say that Trump isn’t exonerated.


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I’m thinking obstruction stuff related to Comey


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[Pwns]

I think Trump probably did obstruct justice, but it's likely more out of lack of impulse control and paranoia than it was to protect himself. And is anyone really going to try and say he's more clever than Mueller and the special counsel and used the assumption he can't be indicted to beat the collusion charges? No chance.

All in all, the Democrats need to let this go and not Benghazi it, but we know they won't do that.

[HI54UNI]

The 2018 midterms were negatively influenced by the fake Russia investigation. The Democratic majority is illegitimate.

Am I doing that right?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I hate him filthy cocksucker but I don't want him impeached - I'd rather give him another term to drag the Republican party down lower than whaleshit. Just like the old country remedy of tying a dead carcass to a chicken-killing dog until it rots off. The taint of trump will follow them for a long time - there will always be a faint odor of shit downwind from wherever Republicans gather.

Except its the shitbag republicans that are putting the stinch on Trump.

Trump is Americas President....... The republicans are vile scum that need to lose their jobs. All of them

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[SDHornet]

The Democrats need only to run it up the middle a few times and take a knee before 2020. But we know they're going to put their demisexual agender quarterback in the game in the name of diversity who will throw a pick 6 and make it a game.

These are strange times when you have to count on Nancy Pelosi to be the voice of reason.

Hhmmm...where have we seen this before...oh yes:

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[SDHornet]

[SDHornet]

Link to the Barr letter to appropriate Congressional heads:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... e=Homepage

tldr; version: basically what Cid has slapped Trip around with on the last 2 pages.

[SDHornet]

[SDHornet]

The 2018 midterms were negatively influenced by the fake Russia investigation. The Democratic majority is illegitimate.

Am I doing that right?

[CID1990]

Link to the Barr letter to appropriate Congressional heads:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... e=Homepage

tldr; version: basically what Cid has slapped Trip around with on the last 2 pages.

One thing to consider on the Mueller report’s findings according to Barr -

Mueller is unequivocal on the conspiracy/collusion allegations. There was no evidence to support that. There really is no more meat on that bone.

But on obstruction- I think the report signals that although there may not be enough to suggest criminal charges, there may be conduct that entitles Congress to consider other political options, such as impeachment.

On conspiracy/collusion - those allegations had a significant CI component. That report is most likely going to be heavily redacted for methods and sources, intelligence, etc. Pelosi has said she would reject a Gang of 8 classified briefing (yeah thats not political at all).

But on obstruction, that is a very straightforward, traditional investigation. It will likely be minimal in terms of methods and sources, or natsec flavored classified info. My suspicion is that Congress will have better standing in asking for that part to be released in its entirety. Trump will almost certainly try to shield parts of it under exec privilege (policy process). I’m not sure how successful he will be on that, but the courts tend to favor the executive on those issues. But most if not all of it will and probably should be released unless there is some component I haven’t thought of.

If the House is just making a show (that’s almost a rhetorical question these days), they’ll stick with the “transparency” issue on the report as it pertains to collusion. If they are serious about their oversight responsibilities, they’ll go after the more obtainable obstruction side.

One thing is for sure though - a LOT of presidential wannabes are going to play on the ignorance of the base by stamping their feet and demanding “transparency”. Warren and Harris especially know better - but they’ll beat that drum anyway


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