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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:02 pm
Ibanez wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:30 am

I didn't say any of this was Trump's fault.
So you want him to apologize for something thats not his fault? :?

There is no need for him to address anything about this :? Its a waste of time and the media already has their responses ready to negatively attack him if and when he does it. Its in this script. Hes winning
I didn't say I want him to apologize. I didn't say any of that. I said a leader should step up and speak to the people he is suppose to lead. You seem to think a leader doesn't have to speak and try to calm the masses.
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Not in this case, they made the bed they get to sleep in it.
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Re: Here We Go Again (Minneapolis, MN)

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Conks have been saying for years that Obama failed to unite the country or heal the centuries of racial wounds.

Now it's not the job of POTUS. :lol:
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Obama wasnt attacked everyday for 4 years like Trump. He wasnt in a scripted coup attempt for 4 years.

Vastly different circumstances.
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Re: Here We Go Again (Minneapolis, MN)

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CAA Flagship wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:31 am
SDHornet wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:27 am

Oh almost one term as a state senator and some time (almost 8 years) spent in state government is suppose to mean something? Mmkay.
He would have been more dangerous if he knew more.

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Re: Here We Go Again (Minneapolis, MN)

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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:16 pm Obama wasnt attacked everyday for 4 years like Trump. He wasnt in a scripted coup attempt for 4 years.

Vastly different circumstances.
The difference is Obama didn't cry about it...
Fox News went after him every single day


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Re: Here We Go Again (Minneapolis, MN)

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Skjellyfetti wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:14 pm Conks have been saying for years that Obama failed to unite the country or heal the centuries of racial wounds.

Now it's not the job of POTUS. :lol:
Well unlike Teump, Obama campaigned on being a post racial healer, which obviouly he was an utter failure at.
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Re: Here We Go Again (Minneapolis, MN)

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Not from the Onion or Babylon Bee:
De Blasio ‘proud’ of daughter Chiara’s arrest during George Floyd protests
https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/de-blasio ... -protests/

In NYC violence and looting out of control for the last 2 nights, dozens of police injured, hundreds arrested, Deblasio we don’t need the Nat Guard or a curfew, and now this. :suspicious: Like I said with previous post on Deblasio, you can’t make this shit up. :lol:
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Re: Here We Go Again (Minneapolis, MN)

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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:20 pm
Skjellyfetti wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:14 pm Conks have been saying for years that Obama failed to unite the country or heal the centuries of racial wounds.

Now it's not the job of POTUS. :lol:
Well unlike Teump, Obama campaigned on being a post racial healer, which obviouly he was an utter failure at.
Yes... lets have a conversation about campaign promises shall we...

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Re: Here We Go Again (Minneapolis, MN)

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Chizzang wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:35 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:20 pm
Well unlike Teump, Obama campaigned on being a post racial healer, which obviouly he was an utter failure at.
Yes... lets have a conversation about campaign promises shall we...

:shock:
You simply don’t understand. Trump has never campaigned or governed from a position of being a uniter therefore he’s off the hook...

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2nd autopsy pretty much nails Chauvin

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An independent autopsy ordered by George Floyd's family found his homicide was "caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain," according to early findings from the examination released Monday.

The independent examiners found that weight on the back, handcuffs and positioning were contributory factors because they impaired the ability of Floyd's diaphragm to function, according to the report.

Dr. Michael Baden and the University of Michigan Medical School's director of autopsy and forensic services, Dr. Allecia Wilson, handled the examination, according to family attorney Ben Crump.
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Re: Here We Go Again (Minneapolis, MN)

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More big city democrat failure:
Other longtime residents and business owners, meanwhile, also said the police were in the wrong, but for different reasons. They said they felt police weren’t tough enough with looters on Saturday, sticking to large tactical formations and tracking protesters even as they abandoned other streets to criminals hellbent on filling their cars with stolen goods and torching establishments.

And, some law enforcement officials, current and retired, also criticized the LAPD response, saying it was riddled with flaws — from acquiescing to protesters gathering in huge numbers in a business district like Fairfax, to delaying two moves that would have increased manpower sooner: mobilizing the entire police force into action by canceling off-days and vacations, and calling in the National Guard.

Well into Saturday afternoon, Garcetti dismissed the idea of calling in the National Guard, saying the LAPD had the situation under control and calling on Angelenos and show their “better angels” by avoiding mayhem. He requested the guard enter the city hours later, leading to their arrival in the overnight hours.

LAPD teams led by Moore had pushed a large protest group through Fairfax. After the protest at Pan Pacific Park began spilling outward, police asked protesters to disperse but were ignored. Moore said he considered arresting everyone, but there were too many protesters and not enough officers.

So, “rather than get in a physical fight with everyone,” he said, he determined the group simply had to be dispersed — and that the direction to push them was north. To the east, there were more protesters and the police command center, he said. To the west, there were burning vehicles.

To the north, there were more businesses, including on Melrose Avenue. But it was the only way to go, Moore said.

Charles “Sid” Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff’s commander, said the LAPD decision to allow protesters access to an area like the Grove and Farmers Market was a miscalculation. Keeping crowds away from vulnerable areas is a key part of crowd control, he said.

“That means place sentries where you don’t want them to go in advance,” Heal said.

He also questioned Moore’s decision to be on the ground in one specific neighborhood, interacting with individual arrestees himself, instead of being in a command center where he could assess the entire picture of protest and unrest across the city.

Being on the front lines can endear a police leader to his officers, but doesn’t make much tactical sense, he said.

“As a commander, you need situational awareness. You need to be able to see the entire events to best manage and decide how to respond,” Heal said. “As a leader, you don’t want to get down in the weeds.”

Councilman Paul Koretz said he spoke to Rick Caruso, the developer of the Grove and a former police commissioner, “before it got as bad as it was,” and Caruso was not happy.

“I would just say that he did not think well of the City Council and the mayor [and] our ability to protect the city and the businesses,” Koretz said. “It is devastating.”
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Re: Here We Go Again (Minneapolis, MN)

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Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:50 pm 2nd autopsy pretty much nails Chauvin

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An independent autopsy ordered by George Floyd's family found his homicide was "caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain," according to early findings from the examination released Monday.

The independent examiners found that weight on the back, handcuffs and positioning were contributory factors because they impaired the ability of Floyd's diaphragm to function, according to the report.

Dr. Michael Baden and the University of Michigan Medical School's director of autopsy and forensic services, Dr. Allecia Wilson, handled the examination, according to family attorney Ben Crump.
Since the 1st one apparently said he didn’t die of asphyxiation, and this autopsy said he did (which I’m sure he did), they should do one more for the tie breaker, considering how high profile this case is. What does an autopsy cost? A couple grand?
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:16 pm Obama wasnt attacked everyday for 4 years like Trump. He wasnt in a scripted coup attempt for 4 years.

Vastly different circumstances.
Yes he was. You were just in on it.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:20 pm
Skjellyfetti wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:14 pm Conks have been saying for years that Obama failed to unite the country or heal the centuries of racial wounds.

Now it's not the job of POTUS. :lol:
Well unlike Teump, Obama campaigned on being a post racial healer, which obviouly he was an utter failure at.
He campaigned on that? I don't recall those campaign slogans, pledges, comments, ads, etc....
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Chizzang wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:35 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:20 pm
Well unlike Teump, Obama campaigned on being a post racial healer, which obviouly he was an utter failure at.
Yes... lets have a conversation about campaign promises shall we...

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Mexico is cutting us checks for the wall as we speak.

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Re: Here We Go Again (Minneapolis, MN)

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Mexico and China ARE paying for the wall.

You just dont want to admit it.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:25 pm Not from the Onion or Babylon Bee:
De Blasio ‘proud’ of daughter Chiara’s arrest during George Floyd protests
https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/de-blasio ... -protests/

In NYC violence and looting out of control for the last 2 nights, dozens of police injured, hundreds arrested, Deblasio we don’t need the Nat Guard or a curfew, and now this. :suspicious: Like I said with previous post on Deblasio, you can’t make this shit up. :lol:
Holy shitballs. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Here We Go Again (Minneapolis, MN)

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Ibanez wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:08 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:20 pm
Well unlike Teump, Obama campaigned on being a post racial healer, which obviouly he was an utter failure at.
He campaigned on that? I don't recall those campaign slogans, pledges, comments, ads, etc....
Seems like it from his 2008 big speech on race:
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/sto ... d=88478467
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Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:50 pm 2nd autopsy pretty much nails Chauvin

ABC Link

An independent autopsy ordered by George Floyd's family found his homicide was "caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain," according to early findings from the examination released Monday.

The independent examiners found that weight on the back, handcuffs and positioning were contributory factors because they impaired the ability of Floyd's diaphragm to function, according to the report.

Dr. Michael Baden and the University of Michigan Medical School's director of autopsy and forensic services, Dr. Allecia Wilson, handled the examination, according to family attorney Ben Crump.
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Re: Here We Go Again (Minneapolis, MN)

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Chizzang wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:35 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:20 pm
Well unlike Teump, Obama campaigned on being a post racial healer, which obviouly he was an utter failure at.
Yes... lets have a conversation about campaign promises shall we...

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Re: Here We Go Again (Minneapolis, MN)

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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:21 pm Burnt down by their own people.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:18 pm
Ibanez wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:08 pm

He campaigned on that? I don't recall those campaign slogans, pledges, comments, ads, etc....
Seems like it from his 2008 big speech on race:
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/sto ... d=88478467
You really had to reach and stretch and add a lot to come away from that speech that he's going to heal the racial divide. He spoke on race. He didn't say anything like " vote for me for racial justice", " a vote for me will end the bigotry and little black boys and little white boys will live in harmony."

Try to be objecting, BDK. Just give it a chance.
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:13 pm Mexico and China ARE paying for the wall.

You just dont want to admit it.
No they aren't. Funds that were originally earmarked for other purposes are. You don't want to admit it.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your ... rys-money/
Last year, the Pentagon diverted $6 billion of its budget to build barriers in California, Arizona and New Mexico.
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The US Department of Defense is diverting an estimated $3.6 billion in military construction funds to help build President Donald Trump's wall on the US-Mexico border.

The Pentagon on Wednesday released the full list of 127 military construction projects that will lose funds in order to help construct 175 miles of southern border wall.

The projects range from building training and ammunition storage facilities to fixing access roads to construction on a middle school in Fort Campbell, Kentucky, along with a subway station entrance facility at the Pentagon.

Just under $1.8 billion meant for US and US territory projects will be reallocated to the border wall. The US is also pulling funds from several overseas projects, more than $1.8 billion, including from construction at air bases in ally nations like the United Kingdom and Germany.
https://apnews.com/850cf00b403e230809f9d07e2a0a9c7d
The Pentagon announced it is taking $3.8 billion approved by Congress for fighter aircraft, ships and other military programs and using the money to pay for the wall. The Defense Department took a similar step last year and may yet again. U.S. taxpayers are paying for the wall, not Mexico, as has been the case from the start.
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