2020 General Election

[Ibanez]

I don't believe I am rationalizing,there are two bad options and i'm choosing the third. I'm actually in your camp on the whole, 3rd Party thing. People complain about having no option but ignore the third one when it's presented b/c "they can't win." I do wish the Libertarians were more aggressive in local and state elections. It seems they only put the efforts into an election every 4 years.

Actually, Libertarians have had electoral success only at the state and local level, and pretty low-level offices for the most part: small-town mayors, city councils, town aldermen, utility boards, school boards, the occasional state rep, etc. Most of us realize that you have to build a party from the ground up. You can’t sashay into an election for federal office and expect instant success, especially the way the system is rigged, er, set up to favor the duopoly.

I'll have to look deeper. I know there are one or two libertarians around here that run but they get pushed out by the Big 2. I hope that one day a Libertarian is a real contender for the White House. Let's move some up through state houses and the US Congress.


And i've said for years that the RNC and DNC are two companies of a massive political industry and they will not tolerate a competitor. Freakanomics has a great episode on the industry of politics. https://freakonomics.com/podcast/politics-industry/

[Ivytalk]

Actually, Libertarians have had electoral success only at the state and local level, and pretty low-level offices for the most part: small-town mayors, city councils, town aldermen, utility boards, school boards, the occasional state rep, etc. Most of us realize that you have to build a party from the ground up. You can’t sashay into an election for federal office and expect instant success, especially the way the system is rigged, er, set up to favor the duopoly.

I'll have to look deeper. I know there are one or two libertarians around here that run but they get pushed out by the Big 2. I hope that one day a Libertarian is a real contender for the White House. Let's move some up through state houses and the US Congress.


And i've said for years that the RNC and DNC are two companies of a massive political industry and they will not tolerate a competitor. Freakanomics has a great episode on the industry of politics. https://freakonomics.com/podcast/politics-industry/

We have several Libertarians here in DE who seem to run for something every two years: usually state rep seats. One guy ran for county sheriff last time against an otherwise-unopposed Donk and managed to crack the 10% barrier. This year, we have candidates for governor, U.S. Senator, U.S. House, and several state rep seats.

[Ibanez]

I'll have to look deeper. I know there are one or two libertarians around here that run but they get pushed out by the Big 2. I hope that one day a Libertarian is a real contender for the White House. Let's move some up through state houses and the US Congress.


And i've said for years that the RNC and DNC are two companies of a massive political industry and they will not tolerate a competitor. Freakanomics has a great episode on the industry of politics. https://freakonomics.com/podcast/politics-industry/

We have several Libertarians here in DE who seem to run for something every two years: usually state rep seats. One guy ran for county sheriff last time against an otherwise-unopposed Donk and managed to crack the 10% barrier. This year, we have candidates for governor, U.S. Senator, U.S. House, and several state rep seats.

It's a good start.

[GannonFan]

I'll have to look deeper. I know there are one or two libertarians around here that run but they get pushed out by the Big 2. I hope that one day a Libertarian is a real contender for the White House. Let's move some up through state houses and the US Congress.


And i've said for years that the RNC and DNC are two companies of a massive political industry and they will not tolerate a competitor. Freakanomics has a great episode on the industry of politics. https://freakonomics.com/podcast/politics-industry/

We have several Libertarians here in DE who seem to run for something every two years: usually state rep seats. One guy ran for county sheriff last time against an otherwise-unopposed Donk and managed to crack the 10% barrier. This year, we have candidates for governor, U.S. Senator, U.S. House, and several state rep seats.

Hey, maybe I'll list Libertarian when my township auditor position comes up for reelection in a couple of years. I was figuring on running so that my name is on the ballot, and then win or lose I'd walk away from the auditor position and take a seat on the Township Sewer Board - that's where the real decisions happen and my chemical engineering background will finally get put to use.

[Ivytalk]

We have several Libertarians here in DE who seem to run for something every two years: usually state rep seats. One guy ran for county sheriff last time against an otherwise-unopposed Donk and managed to crack the 10% barrier. This year, we have candidates for governor, U.S. Senator, U.S. House, and several state rep seats.

Hey, maybe I'll list Libertarian when my township auditor position comes up for reelection in a couple of years. I was figuring on running so that my name is on the ballot, and then win or lose I'd walk away from the auditor position and take a seat on the Township Sewer Board - that's where the real decisions happen and my chemical engineering background will finally get put to use.

Nonpartisan positions are easier to win, because few people want to do the work! I’ll fill my Bumpkinville town council seat until at least February. If we don’t have more candidates than available seats, we just declare a winner(s) and avoid the expense of holding a town election.

[Pwns]

Biden isn't worse than Hillary Clinton, but I think the Democratic party has gotten more radical in all the wrong ways that would be wise for them.

By 2022 the right will be amped again and most progressive Bernie-Warren dems won't lift a finger to help stop the onslaught, and we'll keep swinging on this non-Newtoniam pendulum that keeps swinging to higher and higher levels of crazy ever couple of years.

[GannonFan]

Biden isn't worse than Hillary Clinton, but I think the Democratic party has gotten more radical in all the wrong ways that would be wise for them.

By 2022 the right will be amped again and most progressive Bernie-Warren dems won't lift a finger to help stop the onslaught, and we'll keep swinging on this non-Newtoniam pendulum that keeps swinging to higher and higher levels of crazy ever couple of years.

I think it would be fascinating to see what a second term Trump would look like and how the Democrats would respond - I'm not saying I want that, but the hysterics would be incredible to witness. Trump with no re-election coming up would be even more unhinged than he is now, and Democrats would be in full-on meltdown, again, even more than they are now. Besides, I can't imagine Trump lasting the whole second term - either his own health/ego would do him in or the GOP would cut bait with him and get Pence set-up to run as an incumbent in 2024. The more likely scenario is Biden winning and then the GOP coming back very strong in the midterms as you indicate, but we're crazy enough to actually elect Trump again - definitely something we could do.

[AZGrizFan]

Biden isn't worse than Hillary Clinton, but I think the Democratic party has gotten more radical in all the wrong ways that would be wise for them.

By 2022 the right will be amped again and most progressive Bernie-Warren dems won't lift a finger to help stop the onslaught, and we'll keep swinging on this non-Newtoniam pendulum that keeps swinging to higher and higher levels of crazy ever couple of years.

I think it would be fascinating to see what a second term Trump would look like and how the Democrats would respond - I'm not saying I want that, but the hysterics would be incredible to witness. Trump with no re-election coming up would be even more unhinged than he is now, and Democrats would be in full-on meltdown, again, even more than they are now. Besides, I can't imagine Trump lasting the whole second term - either his own health/ego would do him in or the GOP would cut bait with him and get Pence set-up to run as an incumbent in 2024. The more likely scenario is Biden winning and then the GOP coming back very strong in the midterms as you indicate, but we're crazy enough to actually elect Trump again - definitely something we could do.

Crazy is electing Biden, who won’t be president in six months, and is picking a VP based on gender and color of her skin, not readiness to be president.

[kalm]

I got called a Nazi enabler on FB the other day because of my refusal to vote for the monied parties.

I am a libertarian but I don’t feel particularly loyal to the LP- I think their positions on free trade and immigration are noble, but they only really work when the rest of the world is of a libertarian bent, as well.

But - about this enabling of despots, Commies, Nazis, generalissimos, and other assorted boogeymen by voting 3rd party... if an election involving a Hitler or a Stalin in America is so close that it needs libertarian or Green voters to keep the aforementioned types out of the highest office, then it isn’t the 3rd parties that are the problem.


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I get the same sort of shit for criticizing Biden. It doesn't bother me that Bernie isn't the nominee as much as how they did it

Same for me with Hillary.

[AZGrizFan]

I get the same sort of shit for criticizing Biden. It doesn't bother me that Bernie isn't the nominee as much as how they did it

Same for me with Hillary.

[houndawg]

I get the same sort of shit for criticizing Biden. It doesn't bother me that Bernie isn't the nominee as much as how they did it

Same for me with Hillary.

I gotta admit that I enjoyed a pint of ice-cold Schadenfreude Stout when she got ratfucked by exactly the same method that her crowd used in the primary.

[houndawg]

Actually, Libertarians have had electoral success only at the state and local level, and pretty low-level offices for the most part: small-town mayors, city councils, town aldermen, utility boards, school boards, the occasional state rep, etc. Most of us realize that you have to build a party from the ground up. You can’t sashay into an election for federal office and expect instant success, especially the way the system is rigged, er, set up to favor the duopoly.

I'll have to look deeper. I know there are one or two libertarians around here that run but they get pushed out by the Big 2. I hope that one day a Libertarian is a real contender for the White House. Let's move some up through state houses and the US Congress.


And i've said for years that the RNC and DNC are two companies of a massive political industry and they will not tolerate a competitor. Freakanomics has a great episode on the industry of politics. https://freakonomics.com/podcast/politics-industry/

Actually they're one company.

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[93henfan]

I would delay it by four years.

And declare martial law.

[Ibanez]

I would delay it by four years.

And declare martial law.

I'm not saying we need a POTUS, but who would lead this quagmire, goat rope we call government? It couldn't be Trump, he'd be kicked out at 12:01 on January 20.

[Ivytalk]

I would delay it by four years.

And declare martial law.

Will he replay that tweet if he wins?

[Ibanez]

I would delay it by four years.

And declare martial law.

Will he replay that tweet if he wins?

Of course not. He'll claim victory over some nonsense and then say something outrageous so that the media and his supporters will focus on that.

CNN: Mr. President, now that you have won a 2nd Term, what do you say about your previous comments that this election will be fraudulent and inaccurate?

Trump: We ran a great campaign and you know Hillary never won but that's ok b/c Dunkin Donuts is open and I like tacos.

CNN: ERMAHGAD! TRUMP IS PROMOTING DUNKIN DONUTS! IS HE INVESTED? WE'LL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS!

MAGA Crowd - #DUNKINFORLIFE. I stand with Dunkin Donuts.

[Ivytalk]

Will he replay that tweet if he wins?

Of course not. He'll claim victory over some nonsense and then say something outrageous so that the media and his supporters will focus on that.

CNN: Mr. President, now that you have won a 2nd Term, what do you say about your previous comments that this election will be fraudulent and inaccurate?

Trump: We ran a great campaign and you know Hillary never won but that's ok b/c Dunkin Donuts is open and I like tacos.

CNN: ERMAHGAD! TRUMP IS PROMOTING DUNKIN DONUTS! IS HE INVESTED? WE'LL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS!

MAGA Crowd - #DUNKINFORLIFE. I stand with Dunkin Donuts.

*ERMAGERD

[Ibanez]

Of course not. He'll claim victory over some nonsense and then say something outrageous so that the media and his supporters will focus on that.

*ERMAGERD

[houndawg]

Biden isn't worse than Hillary Clinton, but I think the Democratic party has gotten more radical in all the wrong ways that would be wise for them.

By 2022 the right will be amped again and most progressive Bernie-Warren dems won't lift a finger to help stop the onslaught, and we'll keep swinging on this non-Newtoniam pendulum that keeps swinging to higher and higher levels of crazy ever couple of years.

I think it would be fascinating to see what a second term Trump would look like and how the Democrats would respond - I'm not saying I want that, but the hysterics would be incredible to witness. Trump with no re-election coming up would be even more unhinged than he is now, and Democrats would be in full-on meltdown, again, even more than they are now. Besides, I can't imagine Trump lasting the whole second term - either his own health/ego would do him in or the GOP would cut bait with him and get Pence set-up to run as an incumbent in 2024. The more likely scenario is Biden winning and then the GOP coming back very strong in the midterms as you indicate, but we're crazy enough to actually elect Trump again - definitely something we could do.

The most hysterical outcome by far would be Trump getting reelected and the Senate turning Blue.

Nancy and Chuck would use him for one of those meat sticks they carve gyros off of...

[UNI88]

I think it would be fascinating to see what a second term Trump would look like and how the Democrats would respond - I'm not saying I want that, but the hysterics would be incredible to witness. Trump with no re-election coming up would be even more unhinged than he is now, and Democrats would be in full-on meltdown, again, even more than they are now. Besides, I can't imagine Trump lasting the whole second term - either his own health/ego would do him in or the GOP would cut bait with him and get Pence set-up to run as an incumbent in 2024. The more likely scenario is Biden winning and then the GOP coming back very strong in the midterms as you indicate, but we're crazy enough to actually elect Trump again - definitely something we could do.

The most hysterical outcome by far would be Trump getting reelected and the Senate turning Blue.

Nancy and Chuck would use him for one of those meat sticks they carve gyros off of...

I think it would be more hysterical if the Senate turned Blue, the House turned Red and Biden were elected. The Impeach Biden hearings could begin immediately.

[AZGrizFan]

Will he replay that tweet if he wins?

Of course not. He'll claim victory over some nonsense and then say something outrageous so that the media and his supporters will focus on that.

CNN: Mr. President, now that you have won a 2nd Term, what do you say about your previous comments that this election will be fraudulent and inaccurate?

Trump: We ran a great campaign and you know Hillary never won but that's ok b/c Dunkin Donuts is open and I like tacos.

CNN: ERMAHGAD! TRUMP IS PROMOTING DUNKIN DONUTS! IS HE INVESTED? WE'LL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS!

MAGA Crowd - #DUNKINFORLIFE. I stand with Dunkin Donuts.

You forgot:

WOKE CROWD: #BOYCOTTDUNKIN #DONUTSARERACIST #DONUTSAREWHITEPRIVILEDGE #SAYNOTODUNKIN #BURNDUNKIN #ANDONANDONANDON

[GannonFan]

I think it would be fascinating to see what a second term Trump would look like and how the Democrats would respond - I'm not saying I want that, but the hysterics would be incredible to witness. Trump with no re-election coming up would be even more unhinged than he is now, and Democrats would be in full-on meltdown, again, even more than they are now. Besides, I can't imagine Trump lasting the whole second term - either his own health/ego would do him in or the GOP would cut bait with him and get Pence set-up to run as an incumbent in 2024. The more likely scenario is Biden winning and then the GOP coming back very strong in the midterms as you indicate, but we're crazy enough to actually elect Trump again - definitely something we could do.

The most hysterical outcome by far would be Trump getting reelected and the Senate turning Blue.

Nancy and Chuck would use him for one of those meat sticks they carve gyros off of...

Nah, the Senate wouldn't flip enough to make a real difference, other than blocking SCOTUS appointments for the entire second term. Heck, Trump would probably even enjoy getting to have the Dems flounder with both houses of Congress with the difficulty they would have getting things past his veto. I wouldn't look forward to those 4 years of potentially even more political dysfunction. It'll be a good day when Trump, Pelosi, and Schumer are no longer in government.

[GannonFan]

The most hysterical outcome by far would be Trump getting reelected and the Senate turning Blue.

Nancy and Chuck would use him for one of those meat sticks they carve gyros off of...

I think it would be more hysterical if the Senate turned Blue, the House turned Red and Biden were elected. The Impeach Biden hearings could begin immediately.

Yes, nothing could signify our political disunion more than impeaching 3 of our last 5 Presidents (when we only had 1 impeachment in the prior 200+ years) and all 3 impeachments not coming anywhere close to the 2/3's needed to remove. It might be odd going forward not to be impeached.

[SDHornet]

I got called a Nazi enabler on FB the other day because of my refusal to vote for the monied parties.

I am a libertarian but I don’t feel particularly loyal to the LP- I think their positions on free trade and immigration are noble, but they only really work when the rest of the world is of a libertarian bent, as well.

But - about this enabling of despots, Commies, Nazis, generalissimos, and other assorted boogeymen by voting 3rd party... if an election involving a Hitler or a Stalin in America is so close that it needs libertarian or Green voters to keep the aforementioned types out of the highest office, then it isn’t the 3rd parties that are the problem.


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I get the same sort of shit for criticizing Biden. It doesn't bother me that Bernie isn't the nominee as much as how they did it

Hey, how about the DNC voting down the progressive platforms of M4A and weed legalization and Bernie not saying a damn thing about it?