Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

This.

Sad to see Gannon buying into the hysteria that is going on with this Chinese Flu and turning into Gil2.0. I always had him as one of the more even keeled posters. Not sure how these studies about way more people having this isn't seen as good news, because the dead bodies aren't there to prove this is the killer it was hyped up to be.

If you are old and scared about getting this, stay the fuck inside and take precautions as needed (like you would during any other bad flu season). Everyone else should be allowed to get back to "normal" whilst taking commons sense precautions (masks, hygiene, etc).

Where do I exhibit hysteria? On the contrary, just being level-headed about this. Heck, I'm already on record that we should open up a lot more places, just with a lot of precautions in place (wearing masks, taking temperature checks, social distancing, reduced numbers in stores or restaurants, etc). I think we do need to talk about the reality of what's going on - this is a flu, but it's a flu that is highly contagious, more contagious than anything we've dealt with in at least a generation. And people with no symptoms, and even worse people that will never get a symptom, can get it and pass it on (hence why it's so contagious). And yes, older people, especially those with health issues, are really prone to having bad outcomes once they get it. And unfortunately, our country has a significant amount of people that fall into the high risk category. I do think we need to make it clear that those folks should do as little interacting as possible for the foreseeable future. I think that's just reality right now.

Pretty much. The book hasn’t been shut on what this is yet. It may be as benign as AZ suggests or it may come back with a vengeance of reinfections and/or strong outbreaks in the fall. A curative drug may be discovered sooner than we think. All of that is on the table.

The news media sensationalizes it like everything lending to hysteria but there are still WAY more smart people out there on the front lines of disease study and pharmacy who are pleading caution than those who aren’t. It’s one thing to blow off the soft sciences of political theory and economics as we all enjoy doing but this is a tine where the true experts are super important.

Anyone saying I know what this is...I’ve got it all figured out...fuck it, open everything back up is idiotic. It literally makes you dumber than Trump.

Bless your heart Z!

[CAA Flagship]

Has anyone seen if there are different degrees of infection? Meaning, if you are exposed to a small amount of unidentified flying snot droplets, do you have a better chance of being asymptomatic than inhaling a higher dose of UFSD's? Or is it like pregnancy and it only takes one swimmer to sneak through the 5-hole?

I'm wondering if a small amount of UFSD's can be quickly subdued by a normal-functioning immune system, but a large concentration would overrun the immune system. I'm not even sure if this is the case with the average flu.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Heaven forbid we lose another 50k.....................(Thats only 1,950,000 below expectations according to the media)

Thanks Trump

#TrumpTrain2020
#MAGA
#TrumpTrain2024

[93henfan]

[Ibanez]

No that was actually sincere. Comparing the way a sovereign nation of 327M to Taiwan/PRC is (population 24M?) isn't apples to apples. We may be able to learn from them. But learning from other countries is apparently verboten.

Sincere? You were fishing for exactly your last comment there.

The diversity part was a jab at you, yeah. But i was sincere in saying it couldn't work here.

[UNI88]

Anyone saying I know what this is...I’ve got it all figured out...fuck it, open everything back up is idiotic. It literally makes you dumber than Trump.

Bless your heart Z!

The flip side is also true ...
Anyone saying we have to trust the scientists/doctors ...They’ve got it all figured out...fuck it, we have to ignore the psychological, sociological and economic toll and stay in lock down until they give the all clear is also idiotic. It literally makes them dumber than Trump.

[Gil Dobie]

Anyone saying I know what this is...I’ve got it all figured out...fuck it, open everything back up is idiotic. It literally makes you dumber than Trump.

Bless your heart Z!

The flip side is also true ...
Anyone saying we have to trust the scientists/doctors ...They’ve got it all figured out...fuck it, we have to ignore the psychological, sociological and economic toll and stay in lock down until they give the all clear is also idiotic. It literally makes them dumber than Trump.

I used to call the Obama fans sheeple, same shit different cult leader.

[mainejeff]

Heaven forbid we lose another 50k.....................(Thats only 1,950,000 below expectations according to the media)

Thanks Trump

#TrumpTrain2020
#MAGA
#TrumpTrain2024

God forbid that Trump put his money where his tiny little mouth is and hold some god damn MAGA rallies!

[UNI88]

Heaven forbid we lose another 50k.....................(Thats only 1,950,000 below expectations according to the media)

Thanks Trump

#TrumpTrain2020
#MAGA
#TrumpTrain2024

God forbid that Trump put his money where his tiny little mouth is and hold some god damn MAGA rallies!

Geoffrey, Trump has a big mouth and tiny little hands.

[UNI88]

The flip side is also true ...
Anyone saying we have to trust the scientists/doctors ...They’ve got it all figured out...fuck it, we have to ignore the psychological, sociological and economic toll and stay in lock down until they give the all clear is also idiotic. It literally makes them dumber than Trump.

I used to call the Obama fans sheeple, same shit different cult leader.

True, there are sheeple on both sides of this. The intelligent approach is to consider this from a scientific, medical, psychological, sociological and economic perspective but too many people are caught up in the I'm right, you're wrong scolding match.

[Ivytalk]

I used to call the Obama fans sheeple, same shit different cult leader.

True, there are sheeple on both sides of this. The intelligent approach is to consider this from a scientific, medical, psychological, sociological and economic perspective but too many people are caught up in the I'm right, you're wrong scolding match.

In other words, be more like 88.

[HI54UNI]

These Racist 'Wuhan Plague' Plaques Are Popping Up Around Atlanta
“The adhesive was still wet, meaning this happened late morning or early afternoon,” said a shop owner.



Racist plaques depicting Winnie the Pooh holding a bat with chopsticks have begun to pop up around Atlanta, and police have no leads as to who is responsible.

The round, bronze and teal plaques bearing the words “Wuhan Plague,” referencing the Chinese city where the coronavirus originated, first appeared April 13 on an electrical box in Inman Park, according to Atlanta police. Another appeared three days later at a coffee shop in the neighborhood of Reynoldstown. The most recent incident occurred on April 18 at Atlanta’s Candler Park Market.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y3my ... ewstwitter

[HI54UNI]

Iowa governor allows hospitals to start doing medical procedures and to open up farmers markets. More to come on Monday.

[kalm]

True, there are sheeple on both sides of this. The intelligent approach is to consider this from a scientific, medical, psychological, sociological and economic perspective but too many people are caught up in the I'm right, you're wrong scolding match.

In other words, be more like 88.

88 is challenging Cleets for the illustrious 2020 CS.com Smug Prick Award!

[kalm]

Anyone saying I know what this is...I’ve got it all figured out...fuck it, open everything back up is idiotic. It literally makes you dumber than Trump.

Bless your heart Z!

The flip side is also true ...
Anyone saying we have to trust the scientists/doctors ...They’ve got it all figured out...fuck it, we have to ignore the psychological, sociological and economic toll and stay in lock down until they give the all clear is also idiotic. It literally makes them dumber than Trump.

Who’s saying that?

[UNI88]

True, there are sheeple on both sides of this. The intelligent approach is to consider this from a scientific, medical, psychological, sociological and economic perspective but too many people are caught up in the I'm right, you're wrong scolding match.

In other words, be more like 88.

Exactly, follow the Tao of 88.

[BDKJMU]

You may have missed some of the article. Economists are indeed weighing the possible affects of continuing the shutdown.

I may have posted this before but it provides an explanation for waiting further based on the need for greater and more accurate testing. While the LA County numbers are a positive, what’s the rate of accuracy of the tests and how available are they for not just medical but to businesses?

Then there’s the anecdotal instances of super spreader scenarios in places like both Dakotas, a meat packing plant in Wa State and nursing homes throughout the world. Plus more needs to be known regarding reinfection rates and low antibody counts in some of the already infected.

Ebola almost burned itself out through its aggressive nature, this virus may be more clever (apologize for the anthropomorphizing).

Bottom line, we need more time to learn and yes, the federal government is Probably going to need to let loose most if not all of its arrows from the economic quiver to provide cover.

The good news is there’s still a slight chance things can be sped up and the threat is less than the greatest fears. But Ibanez is right, it’s still hunker down time at this point with an eye on July.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/road-map-reco ... d=70230097

ABC said 3.7 million tests in that article on Mon, yet as I recall the # given at the press conference Mon was over 4 million.

20 million tests per day? The US is at 150k a day. Looking Worldometer, US has done 2x as many tests as anyone else in the world. Yet these people say the US needs to be doing 20 million tests A DAY.. They’re out of their fucking minds. Zero chance of that happening.

Another thing I forgot.
-Monday's press briefing I think said over 4 million tests (thought I heard 4.2 million).
-Wednesday Worldometer said 4.18 million. Maybe Worldometer was lagging on their update. Anyway, Worldometer now shows the US at 4.9 million.

Wed Counted total tests performed listed on Worldometer: 18.954 million (US: 4.18 million, Rest of world: 14.774 million)

Yet these 'experts' ABC talked to say the US needs to test 20 million per day (one clown said 30 million a day), something that the ENTIRE WORLD hadn't done in a couple of months. While it looks like the US has now jumped to performing around a couple hundred k tests per day, it would be a massive hurdle for the US to even do 2 million a day, much less 20 million. I bet the ENTIRE WORLD likely will never come close to testing 20 million in a day. Why would these so called experts suggest the US has to do something that's virtually impossible?

[Ivytalk]

In other words, be more like 88.

88 is challenging Cleets for the illustrious 2020 CS.com Smug Prick Award!

The torch is passed to a new generation...

[UNI88]

The flip side is also true ...
Anyone saying we have to trust the scientists/doctors ...They’ve got it all figured out...fuck it, we have to ignore the psychological, sociological and economic toll and stay in lock down until they give the all clear is also idiotic. It literally makes them dumber than Trump.

Who’s saying that?

Your arguments seem to give more weight to the scientists and doctors at the expense of the psychological, sociological and economic toll. You're opposed to what Z is saying and dismiss his arguments without consideration.

I see plenty of Facebook posts saying we have to listen to the scientists. The scientists and doctors such as Fauci have a limited understanding of psychology, sociology or economics and are not qualified to consider the impact of the virus and our response from those perspectives. People who say we have to listen to the scientists are essentially saying that we should ignore the psychological, sociological and economic toll.

[UNI88]

88 is challenging Cleets for the illustrious 2020 CS.com Smug Prick Award!

The torch is passed to a new generation...

New generation? That's enough from you two!

[BDKJMU]

If the virus is 50-80x more prevalent, and thus 50-80x less deadly, isn't all the "daily testing" a moot point? Because that's sure the way things appear to be headed....

I think we're getting nearer to the more uncomfortable discussion of should we just be isolating the more at risk of the population. I think New Jersey had close to half of the deaths happen in nursing homes, and I'm sure nationwide the bigger problem has been the elderly population, especially the elderly with health complications. Given the prevalence of this virus and the easy transmission, and again, given that the vast majority of people who have this have no idea and will have no idea that they have/have had it, how do we really protect the pockets of the population that are at risk of dying from this? The average death rate is that 0.5%, but that includes the whole population. It's incredibly much higher for the at risk population and lower for everyone else. How do we open up at all with the fact that the vulnerable part of the population will certainly get it eventually but versus the idea that we can't be in lockdown for another 18-24 months (heck, we're already opening up parts now - I'm sure in 2 months most places will be opened up).

Yep. For example Harrisonburg had a massive outbreak at a nursing home- As of a couple days ago, 81 tested positive, 13 deaths. Believe they are the only Harrisonburg deaths due to the virus.

Few days ago saw 53 of 97 outbreaks in VA were in long term care facilities. News outlets have reported 20% of deaths nationally were long term care. Majority of deaths in the US are NYC metro (40+%) and long term care facilities.

[BDKJMU]

Right...like working in a meat packing plant or going to church....

Odds of dying don't change. They're still <.5%. Get it, get a little sick, and move the fuck on. Do we shut down the country for the flu? You've got a .5% chance of dying from it, and we've got a fucking vaccine for it.

Hell your odds of dying on any given day are > 0. Meteor. Lightening. Angry spouse. Slipping in the river and hip waders filling with water....you get the picture, right?

This. The Roosevelt was a floating petri dish. Tested every sailor, 840 tested positive, 1 death, a 41 yr old chief petty officer.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-navy ... ier-2020-4

Its unfortunate, but outside of the elderly population, that is probably typical..

[Silenoz]

Has anyone seen if there are different degrees of infection? Meaning, if you are exposed to a small amount of unidentified flying snot droplets, do you have a better chance of being asymptomatic than inhaling a higher dose of UFSD's? Or is it like pregnancy and it only takes one swimmer to sneak through the 5-hole?

I'm wondering if a small amount of UFSD's can be quickly subdued by a normal-functioning immune system, but a large concentration would overrun the immune system. I'm not even sure if this is the case with the average flu.

I don't think they've been able to find any correlation between load and symptom severity

[kalm]

Who’s saying that?

Your arguments seem to give more weight to the scientists and doctors at the expense of the psychological, sociological and economic toll. You're opposed to what Z is saying and dismiss his arguments without consideration.

I see plenty of Facebook posts saying we have to listen to the scientists. The scientists and doctors such as Fauci have a limited understanding of psychology, sociology or economics and are not qualified to consider the impact of the virus and our response from those perspectives. People who say we have to listen to the scientists are essentially saying that we should ignore the psychological, sociological and economic toll.

I’m sorry if that’s how I’ve come off. I see the opposite in my social circles and it’s equally as dangerous. I’m looking forward to economic studies that weigh and balance the whole ball of wax with the best minds, data, and logic applied.

I’ve seen very little of that posted through the economic lens so far. It’s ultimately a risk tolerance question which requires all of the above. All numbers should be questioned as we learn more about true threat potential but what z had offered up is .5% and it’s the flu. That’s getting close to willful ignorance level bs.

I’d think you agree that the economics and health threat shouldn’t be separated.

[93henfan]

Not that anyone cares, since it only affects one person here (me), but Delaware schools are closed the rest of this academic year.