2020 General Election

[Gil Dobie]

Income Tax returns must be postmarked April 15th at the latest. Several Postal stations stay open until midnight that day, to take returns.

The Post Office is the Federal Govt. The IRS is the Federal Govt. That is the link.
Bills payments sent to the Post Office is not in the hands of the non-public company at that time. So that's the real difference.
Now elections are run by the State Govts. This is where there is a gray area. How much control do State Govts have with the Post Office? (serious question) Maybe there is enough to justify the postmark of ballots, I don't know. But THAT is the question that needs to be asked here.

State income tax is the same deal, April 15. Same with state and local sales tax, it can be mailed on the due date each month or end of year date.

[SDHornet]

Wait, so cases about the legality of the election changes were finally heard and ruled illegal, but the initial claims regarding the legality of election changes weren't heard so they weren't illegal? Mmmkay.

Do you think there was some conspiracy to delay the proceedings? They still had time for SCOTUS to rule on it.

It's clear SCOTUS failed to do the heavy lifting. There were multiple pundits on both sides of the aisle that said there was a legitimate case regarding the PA election changes.

[SDHornet]

Don't believe he was looking to have any states thrown out. He was looking to have certain votes thrown out, and for reasons such as you guys are talking about. Rule changes made outside the normal process, such as state legislatures.

In fact, you could argue that I have been disenfranchised. I met every rule to vote legally here in Washington and allowing other votes to count that did not meet the same rigor has "diluted" my vote.

He was indeed trying to have election results for entire states thrown out. He tried to get State legislatures to take over and replace the slates of electors selected by voters with Trump electors picked by the legislatures. He did do that.

Also, the arbiters of whether election law was violated so that votes should be thrown our are the State courts. There was cases related to that. They failed.

Yawn. Same thing can be said of the losing side in any election. There is always a battle to throw out votes that were cast by "not following the rules".

BTW, you disavow the Lincoln Project yet? The "fair and principled conservative group" you were constantly touting and whose narratives you pedaled. Turns out they were founded by a bunch of pedos.

[SDHornet]

BTW, speaking as a person who voted consistently for Republican candidates for my first 40 years as an eligible voter, I will say that the way the Republican Party has acted with respect to this election has just about eliminated any fraction of the already minuscule likelihood that I will ever vote for a Republican again.

There never was any legitimate doubt about who won the 2020 Presidential election. Yet almost the entire Republican Party jumped on board with Trump's nonsense and put this country through absolute hell for over two months while creating a situation where the atmosphere is now completely poisoned. Also, we now have to worry about stuff like this happening again because they actually came pretty close to stealing the election. Now we have to worry about having them do this crap every time.

Meanwhile they censor people for voting their consciences by voting to impeach Trump while they turn a blind eye from a Republican Congresswoman who says California wildfires were started by lasers from space and believes that QAnon crap.

They are completely off the rails and they are a danger to this country.

You’re not alone. I have life-long R friends who have avowed never go back after all of this.

Trump is still the leader of the party and all is quiet so far on the sane Republican front.

[SDHornet]

And those PA ballots were segregated and not counted. There were approximately 10,000 of them. Biden's margin was ~80k.
https://www.inquirer.com/politics/elect ... 01220.html

I don't think the election was stolen but I do think it matters that the PA Supreme Court stepped outside its bounds and performed a legislative function by changing the law. I get that we were in the midst of a pandemic and that the change made some sense but it wasn't their decision to make. Members of the Court who voted in favor of that change should be censured or something similar.

What will you do when a conservative supreme court in another state does something similar that favors a conservative cause?

Exactly. This is the issue, it's pretty straight forward.

[SDHornet]

Income Tax returns must be postmarked April 15th at the latest. Several Postal stations stay open until midnight that day, to take returns.

The Post Office is the Federal Govt. The IRS is the Federal Govt. That is the link.
Bills payments sent to the Post Office is not in the hands of the non-public company at that time. So that's the real difference.
Now elections are run by the State Govts. This is where there is a gray area. How much control do State Govts have with the Post Office? (serious question) Maybe there is enough to justify the postmark of ballots, I don't know. But THAT is the question that needs to be asked here.

Agree and it depends on the laws for those respective states. If the law is that the ballots have to be "in hand" by a certain time and date then it's clear what the requirement is. If the law is that they just have to be "post marked" by a certain date then that is clear as well.

[kalm]

You’re not alone. I have life-long R friends who have avowed never go back after all of this.

Trump is still the leader of the party and all is quiet so far on the sane Republican front.

And just think. Those are the rational ones and this also fits many Democrats.

[SDHornet]

And just think. Those are the rational ones and this also fits many Democrats.

[BDKJMU]

I don't think the election was stolen but I do think it matters that the PA Supreme Court stepped outside its bounds and performed a legislative function by changing the law. I get that we were in the midst of a pandemic and that the change made some sense but it wasn't their decision to make. Members of the Court who voted in favor of that change should be censured or something similar.

What will you do when a conservative supreme court in another state does something similar that favors a conservative cause?

Exactly. This is the issue, it's pretty straight forward.

Yep. It wasn't just 1 thing in PA.
-Ex 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016 I never recalled getting an absentee ballot application in the mail. This election I got multiple of them from my (blue) county.
-The PA Su Ct ignoring election PA law.
-Stories of poll watchers in the AM being denied access or kick out of deep blue donk polling stations (esp Philly). Course this happens every election. The poll watchers go to a magistrate who usually signs an order directing the polling stations to allow access. But by then its the PM. Damage done. For the people running the polls who kicked out the poll watchers? Nothing ever happens to them of consequence. That's why it keeps happening every POTUS election.
-Overnight ballot dump 99%+ for Biden.

-People in some blue counties being allowed to come in and "cure" their ballots.

[AZGrizFan]

You’re not alone. I have life-long R friends who have avowed never go back after all of this.

Trump is still the leader of the party and all is quiet so far on the sane Republican front.

And I have several lifelong D friends who will never go back after watching the dems over the past 4 years.

And look what happened in south texas, with solid blue counties turning red or purple....

Dems are certifiable, are no longer the party of the working man, and in their effort to pander to the fringes are beginning to lose their “middle”.

The time is ripe for a legit 3rd party for those disenfranchised from the “logical” left and right to form a party that treats the fringes exactly like they should be treated, instead of cow towing to them.

[Ibanez]

You’re not alone. I have life-long R friends who have avowed never go back after all of this.

Trump is still the leader of the party and all is quiet so far on the sane Republican front.

And I have several lifelong D friends who will never go back after watching the dems over the past 4 years.

And look what happened in south texas, with solid blue counties turning red or purple....

Dems are certifiable, are no longer the party of the working man, and in their effort to pander to the fringes are beginning to lose their “middle”.

The time is ripe for a legit 3rd party for those disenfranchised from the “logical” left and right to form a party that treats the fringes exactly like they should be treated, instead of cow towing to them.

I have several who are embarrassed to be Democrats.


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[BDKJMU]

You’re not alone. I have life-long R friends who have avowed never go back after all of this.

Trump is still the leader of the party and all is quiet so far on the sane Republican front.

And I have several lifelong D friends who will never go back after watching the dems over the past 4 years.

And look what happened in south texas, with solid blue counties turning red or purple....

Dems are certifiable, are no longer the party of the working man, and in their effort to pander to the fringes are beginning to lose their “middle”.

The time is ripe for a legit 3rd party for those disenfranchised from the “logical” left and right to form a party that treats the fringes exactly like they should be treated, instead of cow towing to them.

[SDHornet]

You’re not alone. I have life-long R friends who have avowed never go back after all of this.

Trump is still the leader of the party and all is quiet so far on the sane Republican front.

And I have several lifelong D friends who will never go back after watching the dems over the past 4 years.

And look what happened in south texas, with solid blue counties turning red or purple....

Dems are certifiable, are no longer the party of the working man, and in their effort to pander to the fringes are beginning to lose their “middle”.

The time is ripe for a legit 3rd party for those disenfranchised from the “logical” left and right to form a party that treats the fringes exactly like they should be treated, instead of cow towing to them.

Not happening. Just coop the GOP. It can be done.

[SDHornet]

And I have several lifelong D friends who will never go back after watching the dems over the past 4 years.

And look what happened in south texas, with solid blue counties turning red or purple....

Dems are certifiable, are no longer the party of the working man, and in their effort to pander to the fringes are beginning to lose their “middle”.

The time is ripe for a legit 3rd party for those disenfranchised from the “logical” left and right to form a party that treats the fringes exactly like they should be treated, instead of cow towing to them.

Wasted effort that will not result in any meaningful change.

[SDHornet]

tldr; enough shadiness happened that could have resulted in a different outcome.

[JohnStOnge]

tldr; enough shadiness happened that could have resulted in a different outcome.

Dude, just stop. There wasn't a bunch of shadiness. You are just believing stuff you find on the internet because you want to believe it. This is exactly what happens. People put crap like that out then you have to crawl down the rabbit hole and spend a bunch of time rebutting each thing.

No. That's not necessary. We have systems in this country for controlling such things. Those systems found that there wasn't a bunch of shadiness that could have changed the outcome.

[BDKJMU]

There's a reason 60 some percent of Europe (including the EU) doesn't allow for absentee ballots except for those overseas, and 20 some percent don't allow for them period, and they all require ID (the link to the article is buried somewhere in this thread from a month or 2 ago). The rest of the 1st world laughs at the US election system.

[SDHornet]

tldr; enough shadiness happened that could have resulted in a different outcome.

Dude, just stop. There wasn't a bunch of shadiness. You are just believing stuff you find on the internet because you want to believe it. This is exactly what happens. People put crap like that out then you have to crawl down the rabbit hole and spend a bunch of time rebutting each thing.

No. That's not necessary. We have systems in this country for controlling such things. Those systems found that there wasn't a bunch of shadiness that could have changed the outcome.

You gonna disavow the Lincoln Project for being pedos and grooming boys or not?

[Ibanez]

There's a reason 60 some percent of Europe (including the EU) doesn't allow for absentee ballots except for those overseas, and 20 some percent don't allow for them period, and they all require ID (the link to the article is buried somewhere in this thread from a month or 2 ago). The rest of the 1st world laughs at the US election system.

I agree they do. From what I'm told, it's the electoral college.

Just some food for thought:

Nixon, Ford, Bush 1 and Trump all supported getting rid of it. Trump even said the world was laughing at us b/c of it.

Even not that long ago, the former chair of the RNC wanted to get rid of it.

And if what Trump and the Republicans say is true about the numbers in 2020 (doubt it) then it's proof that they don't need the EC to win. The popular vote works for every single election...why not this one?


I would add to it, if we got rid of the EC for the Popular Vote AND instituted Ranked-Choice Voting, we might getting better representation and more independents/3rd Party.


But it won't happen. If the Republicans are for X then the Dems will surely be against it. And vice versa.

[Ibanez]

Dude, just stop. There wasn't a bunch of shadiness. You are just believing stuff you find on the internet because you want to believe it. This is exactly what happens. People put crap like that out then you have to crawl down the rabbit hole and spend a bunch of time rebutting each thing.

No. That's not necessary. We have systems in this country for controlling such things. Those systems found that there wasn't a bunch of shadiness that could have changed the outcome.

You gonna disavow the Lincoln Project for being pedos and grooming boys or not?

It wasn't the Project - just one of the co-founders right?

And if they are PEDOs....doesn't hat make them part of the deep state...OH MY GOD! Q WAS RIGHT!!!!!

[Gil Dobie]

There's a reason 60 some percent of Europe (including the EU) doesn't allow for absentee ballots except for those overseas, and 20 some percent don't allow for them period, and they all require ID (the link to the article is buried somewhere in this thread from a month or 2 ago). The rest of the 1st world laughs at the US election system.

I agree they do. From what I'm told, it's the electoral college.

Just some food for thought:

Nixon, Ford, Bush 1 and Trump all supported getting rid of it. Trump even said the world was laughing at us b/c of it.

Even not that long ago, the former chair of the RNC wanted to get rid of it.

And if what Trump and the Republicans say is true about the numbers in 2020 (doubt it) then it's proof that they don't need the EC to win. The popular vote works for every single election...why not this one?


I would add to it, if we got rid of the EC for the Popular Vote AND instituted Ranked-Choice Voting, we might getting better representation and more independents/3rd Party.


But it won't happen. If the Republicans are for X then the Dems will surely be against it. And vice versa.

Trump lost by 7 million votes, a majority of that was California by 5 million. In 2016 Trump lost the popular vote to Clinton, by nearly 3 million and California by nearly 4 million. The electoral college keeps the balance between the states for the most part.

As for mail-in and absentee-ballots. Trump shot himself in the foot on that one. Claiming they were not going to be valid. This claim by Trump, had Republicans opposing and passing on this type of ballot, and probably costing Trump quite a few votes. It also energized the Democrats, to go all out on these ballots, with more people voting than ever.

[SDHornet]

You gonna disavow the Lincoln Project for being pedos and grooming boys or not?

It wasn't the Project - just one of the co-founders right?

And if they are PEDOs....doesn't hat make them part of the deep state...OH MY GOD! Q WAS RIGHT!!!!!

Weaver for sure, I think another one as well. The bigger issue is all the founders knew about it, as well as the press, and looked the other way.

So JSO, you going to disavow or what?

[SDHornet]

I agree they do. From what I'm told, it's the electoral college.

Just some food for thought:

Nixon, Ford, Bush 1 and Trump all supported getting rid of it. Trump even said the world was laughing at us b/c of it.

Even not that long ago, the former chair of the RNC wanted to get rid of it.

And if what Trump and the Republicans say is true about the numbers in 2020 (doubt it) then it's proof that they don't need the EC to win. The popular vote works for every single election...why not this one?


I would add to it, if we got rid of the EC for the Popular Vote AND instituted Ranked-Choice Voting, we might getting better representation and more independents/3rd Party.


But it won't happen. If the Republicans are for X then the Dems will surely be against it. And vice versa.

Trump lost by 7 million votes, a majority of that was California by 5 million. In 2016 Trump lost the popular vote to Clinton, by nearly 3 million and California by nearly 4 million. The electoral college keeps the balance between the states for the most part.

As for mail-in and absentee-ballots. Trump shot himself in the foot on that one. Claiming they were not going to be valid. This claim by Trump, had Republicans opposing and passing on this type of ballot, and probably costing Trump quite a few votes. It also energized the Democrats, to go all out on these ballots, with more ballots available for harvesting than ever.

FIFY

[Ibanez]

It wasn't the Project - just one of the co-founders right?

And if they are PEDOs....doesn't hat make them part of the deep state...OH MY GOD! Q WAS RIGHT!!!!!

Weaver for sure, I think another one as well. The bigger issue is all the founders knew about it, as well as the press, and looked the other way.

So JSO, you going to disavow or what?

I didn't know all about that. I have only seen headlines.

[kalm]

Weaver for sure, I think another one as well. The bigger issue is all the founders knew about it, as well as the press, and looked the other way.

So JSO, you going to disavow or what?

I didn't know all about that. I have only seen headlines.

He’s been on leave since last summer. Nobody saw it coming either...since he was a Republican.