Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[SDHornet]

Pretty much every lawyer who has responded to the Barr report believes he misrepresented the report



Watch the Legal Eagle Youtube report above

because by Mueller's written definition of his position
he believes the DOJ cannot indict the standing president of a crime
So there are only two possible outcomes of the report

1) Not Guilty
2) Not - Not guilty

President Trump was found "Not" not guilty

He was cleared of collusion. Please don't tell me you are hanging your hat on obstruction.

Funny seeing the goal post being moved in this thread by someone other than jellbelly.

[Chizzang]

He was cleared of collusion. Please don't tell me you are hanging your hat on obstruction.

Funny seeing the goal post being moved in this thread by someone other than jellbelly.

I'm not doing anything other than reciting the facts
Explain what you think I'm implying that isn't factual..?



Stormy already said Trump had a tiny dick
and I know around here you need to fight to get in line to suck it - but geeze slow play it a little

[SDHornet]

Funny seeing the goal post being moved in this thread by someone other than jellbelly.

I'm not doing anything other than reciting the facts
Explain what you think I'm implying that isn't factual..?

Pivoting a thread based on Trump Russia collusion to obstruction. Oh, now you gonna say that's not what you are doing? Ok jelly.


Oh, and can you obstruct entrapment? Asking for a friend.

[Chizzang]

I'm not doing anything other than reciting the facts
Explain what you think I'm implying that isn't factual..?

Pivoting a thread based on Trump Russia collusion to obstruction. Oh, now you gonna say that's not what you are doing? Ok jelly.


Oh, and can you obstruct entrapment? Asking for a friend.

Dude.. relax and take a deep breath
I said 18 months ago Trump wasn't going anywhere

explain what I said up there that wasn't factual
also: I never said anything about obstruction
I was explaining the Mueller Report Premise which you obviously don't understand (at all)

[SeattleGriz]

Pivoting a thread based on Trump Russia collusion to obstruction. Oh, now you gonna say that's not what you are doing? Ok jelly.


Oh, and can you obstruct entrapment? Asking for a friend.

Dude.. relax and take a deep breath
I said 18 months ago Trump wasn't going anywhere

explain what I said up there that wasn't factual
also: I never said anything about obstruction
I was explaining the Mueller Report Premise which you obviously don't understand (at all)

That premise is horse shit. Trump not not guilty of collusion because Mueller can't indict him is the lazy man's way out. Lol

[Chizzang]

Dude.. relax and take a deep breath
I said 18 months ago Trump wasn't going anywhere

explain what I said up there that wasn't factual
also: I never said anything about obstruction
I was explaining the Mueller Report Premise which you obviously don't understand (at all)

That premise is horse shit. Trump not not guilty of collusion because Mueller can't indict him is the lazy man's way out. Lol

Lets play a game...
The game is, we can only post factual information. No hyperbole no conjecture, just facts

So go back and do your homework
and listen to legal explanation of the "Mueller Report Opening Premise"
Once you actually understand that...

Then go back and read my posts starting from the top of this page
Remember: Only factual information - no hyperbole - no conjecture -just facts

and take your time...

[css75]

4 more years for the Dems to whine.


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[CID1990]

That premise is horse ****. Trump not not guilty of collusion because Mueller can't indict him is the lazy man's way out. Lol

Lets play a game...
The game is, we can only post factual information. No hyperbole no conjecture, just facts

So go back and do your homework
and listen to legal explanation of the "Mueller Report Opening Premise"
Once you actually understand that...

Then go back and read my posts starting from the top of this page
Remember: Only factual information - no hyperbole - no conjecture -just facts

and take your time...

I thought we already covered this?

The Mueller report unequivocally says that neither Trump nor his campaign conspired with Russia to affect the 2016 elections. That is what the whole thing was about to begin with. Is there some other reason for appointing Mueller that has not been covered in agonizing detail here before?

The report also lays out all the facts surrounding obstruction of justice, which Congress can choose to act on, or not. There is at least a little meat on the bone. THAT is the "not not guilty" being discussed here.

After two years of hearing "collusion"... and then having to clarify that collusion is not a crime, but conspiracy is.. and here we are again parsing collusion

I predicted the goalposts would be dragged all over the place but this sh!t is surreal. I guess this is the gnashing of teeth part

[mainejeff]

The whole Trump Empire will be destroyed once he is out of office. It will be a joy to watch it go down in flames.

[BDKJMU]

Lets play a game...
The game is, we can only post factual information. No hyperbole no conjecture, just facts

So go back and do your homework
and listen to legal explanation of the "Mueller Report Opening Premise"
Once you actually understand that...

Then go back and read my posts starting from the top of this page
Remember: Only factual information - no hyperbole - no conjecture -just facts

and take your time...

I thought we already covered this?

The Mueller report unequivocally says that neither Trump nor his campaign conspired with Russia to affect the 2016 elections. That is what the whole thing was about to begin with. Is there some other reason for appointing Mueller that has not been covered in agonizing detail here before?

The report also lays out all the facts surrounding obstruction of justice, which Congress can choose to act on, or not. There is at least a little meat on the bone. THAT is the "not not guilty" being discussed here.

After two years of hearing "collusion"... and then having to clarify that collusion is not a crime, but conspiracy is.. and here we are again parsing collusion

I predicted the goalposts would be dragged all over the place but this sh!t is surreal. I guess this is the gnashing of teeth part

Yep, Jelly, then JSO, now Clitz

[mainejeff]

Is that Trump?

[Ibanez]

Dude.. relax and take a deep breath
I said 18 months ago Trump wasn't going anywhere

explain what I said up there that wasn't factual
also: I never said anything about obstruction
I was explaining the Mueller Report Premise which you obviously don't understand (at all)

That premise is horse shit. Trump not not guilty of collusion because Mueller can't indict him is the lazy man's way out. Lol

Well, collusion isn't a crime in this case (if it were two companies trying to set a price or something, then yes that's collusion). Conspiracy is the crime.

[houndawg]

Dude.. relax and take a deep breath
I said 18 months ago Trump wasn't going anywhere

explain what I said up there that wasn't factual
also: I never said anything about obstruction
I was explaining the Mueller Report Premise which you obviously don't understand (at all)

That premise is horse ****. Trump not not guilty of collusion because Mueller can't indict him is the lazy man's way out. Lol

Bullshit. If he had nothing to hide he wouldn't have refused to speak with Mueller.

We get the gubmint we deserve.

[SeattleGriz]

That premise is horse ****. Trump not not guilty of collusion because Mueller can't indict him is the lazy man's way out. Lol

Bullshit. If he had nothing to hide he wouldn't have refused to speak with Mueller.

We get the gubmint we deserve.

I wouldn't speak to him either if I didn't have to. Isn't "process crimes" his strong point... especially since he couldn't prove collusion?

Nevermind Trump did everything to cooperate and didn't claim any executive privilege.

[houndawg]

Bullshit. If he had nothing to hide he wouldn't have refused to speak with Mueller.

We get the gubmint we deserve.

I wouldn't speak to him either if I didn't have to. Isn't "process crimes" his strong point... especially since he couldn't prove collusion?

Nevermind Trump did everything to cooperate and didn't claim any executive privilege.

Backed out of every committment he made.

Talk to Mueller? "100%".

Release taxes? "Absolutely".

[Chizzang]

Lets play a game...
The game is, we can only post factual information. No hyperbole no conjecture, just facts

So go back and do your homework
and listen to legal explanation of the "Mueller Report Opening Premise"
Once you actually understand that...

Then go back and read my posts starting from the top of this page
Remember: Only factual information - no hyperbole - no conjecture -just facts

and take your time...

I thought we already covered this?

The Mueller report unequivocally says that neither Trump nor his campaign conspired with Russia to affect the 2016 elections. That is what the whole thing was about to begin with. Is there some other reason for appointing Mueller that has not been covered in agonizing detail here before?

The report also lays out all the facts surrounding obstruction of justice, which Congress can choose to act on, or not. There is at least a little meat on the bone. THAT is the "not not guilty" being discussed here.

After two years of hearing "collusion"... and then having to clarify that collusion is not a crime, but conspiracy is.. and here we are again parsing collusion

I predicted the goalposts would be dragged all over the place but this sh!t is surreal. I guess this is the gnashing of teeth part

Boy I guess I needed to check into this thread more often when Jelly was traumatizing you guys
You all seem so sensitive about a very simple factual observation

Facts don't strive or angle - they are just bits of data worth pondering
I'm pretty sure I never said anything about obstruction
I'm also pretty sure nobody actually read what I wrote

All I'm talking about is the "Opening Premise" of the Report itself
and you guys think I'm trying to start a whole new conversation

The Report is a pretty straight forward collection of data
and I thought we might be interested in talking about the report in it's entirety
But I see we can't because "Jelly hurt everybody's feelings" already
and I didn't congratulate President Trump

[kalm]

Bullshit. If he had nothing to hide he wouldn't have refused to speak with Mueller.

We get the gubmint we deserve.

I wouldn't speak to him either if I didn't have to. Isn't "process crimes" his strong point... especially since he couldn't prove collusion?

Nevermind Trump did everything to cooperate and didn't claim any executive privilege.

So collusion is back now as a crime? Jesus this confusing.

Then I read somewhere that Trump is not guilty of conspiracy or obstruction. It sounds like he tried really hard but was either too stupid to go forward with it or his aides simply ignored his orders.

[SeattleGriz]

I wouldn't speak to him either if I didn't have to. Isn't "process crimes" his strong point... especially since he couldn't prove collusion?

Nevermind Trump did everything to cooperate and didn't claim any executive privilege.

So collusion is back now as a crime? Jesus this confusing.

Then I read somewhere that Trump is not guilty of conspiracy or obstruction. It sounds like he tried really hard but was either too stupid to go forward with it or his aides simply ignored his orders.

I agree. The moving of the goal posts has everyone confused.

To be clear, I am using pre-moving of goalposts terminology. The ones used for the last two years.

This is just like the global warming to climate change.

[Chizzang]

I agree. The moving of the goal posts has everyone confused.

To be clear, I am using pre-moving of goalposts terminology. The ones used for the last two years.

This is just like the global warming to climate change.

At least you admit you're confused...



BTW:
Have you decided to identify exactly where I'm not stating a fact about the Mueller Report in my posts..?
side note global warming is real
climate change is real

See how that works... those are both facts that have been documented and charted
The global temperature is rising
The climate is changing - facts

Facts don't necessarily make an accusation
sometimes they just are... and the rest is conjecture

[89Hen]

The global temperature is rising
The climate is changing - facts

The Earth's climate has never not changed in the history of the planet - fact

[Ibanez]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/us/p ... stream=top

But in a meeting this year, Mick Mulvaney, the White House chief of staff, made it clear that Mr. Trump still equated any public discussion of malign Russian election activity with questions about the legitimacy of his victory. According to one senior administration official, Mr. Mulvaney said it “wasn’t a great subject and should be kept below his level.”

Even though the Department of Homeland Security has primary responsibility for civilian cyberdefense, Ms. Nielsen eventually gave up on her effort to organize a White House meeting of cabinet secretaries to coordinate a strategy to protect next year’s elections.

[SeattleGriz]

I agree. The moving of the goal posts has everyone confused.

To be clear, I am using pre-moving of goalposts terminology. The ones used for the last two years.

This is just like the global warming to climate change.

At least you admit you're confused...



BTW:
Have you decided to identify exactly where I'm not stating a fact about the Mueller Report in my posts..?
side note global warming is real
climate change is real

See how that works... those are both facts that have been documented and charted
The global temperature is rising
The climate is changing - facts

Facts don't necessarily make an accusation
sometimes they just are... and the rest is conjecture

No confusion here. Simply pointing out how the terms of the discussion have changed and I'm still using the original terms for clarity.

As to where you are wrong, didn't look into that. You mentioned something about a link and haven't had the chance to even look at it, but I can tell you with almost certainty, I could find a counter opinion pretty easily.

[Chizzang]

The global temperature is rising
The climate is changing - facts

The Earth's climate has never not changed in the history of the planet - fact

Valid point...

[Chizzang]

At least you admit you're confused...



BTW:
Have you decided to identify exactly where I'm not stating a fact about the Mueller Report in my posts..?
side note global warming is real
climate change is real

See how that works... those are both facts that have been documented and charted
The global temperature is rising
The climate is changing - facts

Facts don't necessarily make an accusation
sometimes they just are... and the rest is conjecture

No confusion here. Simply pointing out how the terms of the discussion have changed and I'm still using the original terms for clarity.

As to where you are wrong, didn't look into that. You mentioned something about a link and haven't had the chance to even look at it, but I can tell you with almost certainty, I could find a counter opinion pretty easily.

There's nothing to "counter"
It's written in plain English as the opening premise of the report...

[SeattleGriz]

No confusion here. Simply pointing out how the terms of the discussion have changed and I'm still using the original terms for clarity.

As to where you are wrong, didn't look into that. You mentioned something about a link and haven't had the chance to even look at it, but I can tell you with almost certainty, I could find a counter opinion pretty easily.

There's nothing to "counter"
It's written in plain English as the opening premise of the report...

Well, there you have it. Haven't had a chance to read it so I wouldn't know.

I'll try and read it later.

By the way, wasn't saying your take was wrong, saying that if Mueller weaseled out, that was crap.

He was specifically directed to come to a decision and he left it up to Barr and Rosenstein.