Coronavirus COVID-19

[93henfan]

Badland.

You gotta live it everyday.

[CAA Flagship]

You gotta live it everyday.

The crowd in this

[AZGrizFan]

COVID-19 is worse (more contagious and deadly) than the flu.

COVID-19 is not as bad as the Plague or even the Spanish Flu.

Outside of NYC, the US collectively has been relatively successful at limiting the damage that COVID-19 might have done. This is especially true compared to Italy.

We shouldn't forget the sh!t that went down in Italy when crafting our response(s).

We can carefully open things back up so we can get the economy back on track and get people off of unemployment.

We shouldn't open things completely back up because we don't want to kickstart a massive second wave.

We need to find the balance of how much we can open up relatively safely. There will be some risk regardless and business owners will be reluctant to open up because they don't want the liability.

Large scale gatherings (sporting events, concerts, etc.) would be extremely foolish in the short-term.

There will likely be a second and even third wave regardless of what we do. It's a question of timing and preparation.

All of this.

You sure? 100%? ALL of it?

Because if so, then if there's going to be a 2nd and 3rd wave "regardless of what we do" then howsabout we get the fuck on with it then?

[93henfan]

The crowd in this

Social distancing at 3:45

[GannonFan]

All of this.

You sure? 100%? ALL of it?

Because if so, then if there's going to be a 2nd and 3rd wave "regardless of what we do" then howsabout we get the fuck on with it then?

Lot of truth to what AZ has here - we knew weeks ago what we are going to have to do (i.e. masks, wellness checks (temperatures), social distancing where possible, regimented disinfections at businesses, limited capacities in retail stores, etc). We flattened the curve and hospitals didn't get overwhelmed, now it's time to implement what we've learned and move on. The vaccine isn't coming tomorrow or next month or the month after that, there isn't a rational argument for not implementing what we know and moving on. Again, the idea was to flatten the curve to avoid a crush in the healthcare segment, it was never to avoid infections at all costs, even assuming that was even possible.

[GannonFan]

Hey, on the CA beaches thing, maybe I'm not seeing the same photos the CA governor is, or maybe he's never been to a Jersey beach and really seen what crowded is. All the photos I've seem on in the MSM look like people were keeping distance between them and other beach goers. But even in the cases where people weren't, how can you tell from a photo if you're seeing completely unrelated people getting too close to each other or are you seeing families or roommates who are already quarantining together and hence don't need to socially distance from each other anyway? I read one of the counties spent a lot of time and effort ensuring people did keep socially distancing and that's why they're suing the governor - because he basically looked at photos and drew a conclusion just based on that.

[kalm]

You sure? 100%? ALL of it?

Because if so, then if there's going to be a 2nd and 3rd wave "regardless of what we do" then howsabout we get the fuck on with it then?

Lot of truth to what AZ has here - we knew weeks ago what we are going to have to do (i.e. masks, wellness checks (temperatures), social distancing where possible, regimented disinfections at businesses, limited capacities in retail stores, etc). We flattened the curve and hospitals didn't get overwhelmed, now it's time to implement what we've learned and move on. The vaccine isn't coming tomorrow or next month or the month after that, there isn't a rational argument for not implementing what we know and moving on. Again, the idea was to flatten the curve to avoid a crush in the healthcare segment, it was never to avoid infections at all costs, even assuming that was even possible.

My bet is that it will be a rollercoaster with plateaus until reliable curative therapeutic treatments and/or surveillance level track and trace (app based and businesses requiring customer logs like golf in WA is doing) arrives to states, and a vaccine (perhaps as early as the fall). Areas that started early and stay on it longer will have more gradual peaks and valleys. Hot spots like are happening in Nebraska and around meat packing plants will set back those locations further and the plateaus will be longer.

How bad and prolonged do you want it? Same old question.

[AZGrizFan]

Lot of truth to what AZ has here - we knew weeks ago what we are going to have to do (i.e. masks, wellness checks (temperatures), social distancing where possible, regimented disinfections at businesses, limited capacities in retail stores, etc). We flattened the curve and hospitals didn't get overwhelmed, now it's time to implement what we've learned and move on. The vaccine isn't coming tomorrow or next month or the month after that, there isn't a rational argument for not implementing what we know and moving on. Again, the idea was to flatten the curve to avoid a crush in the healthcare segment, it was never to avoid infections at all costs, even assuming that was even possible.

My bet is that it will be a rollercoaster with plateaus until reliable curative therapeutic treatments and/or surveillance level track and trace (app based and businesses requiring customer logs like golf in WA is doing) arrives to states, and a vaccine (perhaps as early as the fall). Areas that started early and stay on it longer will have more gradual peaks and valleys. Hot spots like are happening in Nebraska and around meat packing plants will set back those locations further and the plateaus will be longer.

How bad and prolonged do you want it? Same old question.

I'm saying get on with it with proper protocols in place. As Ganny pointed out, we KNOW what we need to do. So let's fucking do it and get on with the apparently inevitable 2nd and 3rd waves....Every day we move closer to a full-on depression that will take YEARS to recover from (if ever).

Or are we waiting for people to begin jumping from buildings again?

[HI54UNI]

Lot of truth to what AZ has here - we knew weeks ago what we are going to have to do (i.e. masks, wellness checks (temperatures), social distancing where possible, regimented disinfections at businesses, limited capacities in retail stores, etc). We flattened the curve and hospitals didn't get overwhelmed, now it's time to implement what we've learned and move on. The vaccine isn't coming tomorrow or next month or the month after that, there isn't a rational argument for not implementing what we know and moving on. Again, the idea was to flatten the curve to avoid a crush in the healthcare segment, it was never to avoid infections at all costs, even assuming that was even possible.

My bet is that it will be a rollercoaster with plateaus until reliable curative therapeutic treatments and/or surveillance level track and trace (app based and businesses requiring customer logs like golf in WA is doing) arrives to states, and a vaccine (perhaps as early as the fall). Areas that started early and stay on it longer will have more gradual peaks and valleys. Hot spots like are happening in Nebraska and around meat packing plants will set back those locations further and the plateaus will be longer.

How bad and prolonged do you want it? Same old question.

My cell phone fell in the lake with my guns. How am I supposed to track and trace?

[mainejeff]

My bet is that it will be a rollercoaster with plateaus until reliable curative therapeutic treatments and/or surveillance level track and trace (app based and businesses requiring customer logs like golf in WA is doing) arrives to states, and a vaccine (perhaps as early as the fall). Areas that started early and stay on it longer will have more gradual peaks and valleys. Hot spots like are happening in Nebraska and around meat packing plants will set back those locations further and the plateaus will be longer.

How bad and prolonged do you want it? Same old question.

I'm saying get on with it with proper protocols in place. As Ganny pointed out, we KNOW what we need to do. So let's fucking do it and get on with the apparently inevitable 2nd and 3rd waves....Every day we move closer to a full-on depression that will take YEARS to recover from (if ever).

Or are we waiting for people to begin jumping from buildings again?

No one is jumping off a building before Nov. 2......Wall Street will see to that.

[GannonFan]

Hey, if Trump had come out and said we need to slow this down and stay locked down for a couple more months, at least, economy be damned, how fast do you reckon we'd be opening up? Now? Last week? It's just reflexive any more for some folks - whatever he says, we gotta immediately do the opposite. That's perhaps the greatest flaw in his Presidency (of which there are many) - he's driven the conversation to an insane place where practically no one is making rational sense.

[89Hen]

The covid protest/beach/church crowds who don’t earn Darwin awards will be assisted by the selfish drivers.

RIght, but just like Covid, YOU can catch it from a moron even if you're minding your own business. My kids always get pissed at me when I go over ground rules for driving. They say that I don't trust them or think they're a good driver. It's not them with which I have a problem.

[kalm]

The covid protest/beach/church crowds who don’t earn Darwin awards will be assisted by the selfish drivers.

RIght, but just like Covid, YOU can catch it from a moron even if you're minding your own business. My kids always get pissed at me when I go over ground rules for driving. They say that I don't trust them or think they're a good driver. It's not them with which I have a problem.

If America resembled this board in general there wouldn’t need to be any government mandates on social distancing and such. Taxes could be cut, charity would surge, etc.

If....

[93henfan]

You sure? 100%? ALL of it?

Because if so, then if there's going to be a 2nd and 3rd wave "regardless of what we do" then howsabout we get the fuck on with it then?

Lot of truth to what AZ has here - we knew weeks ago what we are going to have to do (i.e. masks, wellness checks (temperatures), social distancing where possible, regimented disinfections at businesses, limited capacities in retail stores, etc). We flattened the curve and hospitals didn't get overwhelmed, now it's time to implement what we've learned and move on. The vaccine isn't coming tomorrow or next month or the month after that, there isn't a rational argument for not implementing what we know and moving on. Again, the idea was to flatten the curve to avoid a crush in the healthcare segment, it was never to avoid infections at all costs, even assuming that was even possible.

[GannonFan]

RIght, but just like Covid, YOU can catch it from a moron even if you're minding your own business. My kids always get pissed at me when I go over ground rules for driving. They say that I don't trust them or think they're a good driver. It's not them with which I have a problem.

If America resembled this board in general there wouldn’t need to be any government mandates on social distancing and such. Taxes could be cut, charity would surge, etc.

If....

Well, it is hard being elite and being the top 1% if you don't include the 99% beneath you. We wouldn't be so awesome if not for other to compare/contrast with.

[GannonFan]

YES!!!

Under the most-stringent plan, which would be a worst-case scenario, D.C. would not be able to reopen for at least another three months, Nesbitt said.

Under the least-stringent plan, which would be a best-case scenario, the city would do a phased reopening, but that also would not begin for at least two months.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/loca ... y/2288790/

So DC is not going to open a thing or do anything for another 2 months? Granted, they probably don't do a whole lot anyway, but 2 months? From now? That's crazy. Especially when in 2 months they'll be doing exactly what they'll do today if they started opening up now.

[kalm]

If America resembled this board in general there wouldn’t need to be any government mandates on social distancing and such. Taxes could be cut, charity would surge, etc.

If....

Well, it is hard being elite and being the top 1% if you don't include the 99% beneath you. We wouldn't be so awesome if not for other to compare/contrast with.

Cannon fodder ya commie bastard!

[CAA Flagship]

RIght, but just like Covid, YOU can catch it from a moron even if you're minding your own business. My kids always get pissed at me when I go over ground rules for driving. They say that I don't trust them or think they're a good driver. It's not them with which I have a problem.

If America resembled this board in general there wouldn’t need to be any government mandates on social distancing and such. Taxes could be cut, charity would surge, etc.

If....

....but the pizza wars.

[kalm]

If America resembled this board in general there wouldn’t need to be any government mandates on social distancing and such. Taxes could be cut, charity would surge, etc.

If....

....but the pizza wars.

Now is the time for unity, Flaggy. Crab on a Chicago deep dish.

[CAA Flagship]

....but the pizza wars.

Now is the time for unity, Flaggy. Crab on a Chicago deep dish.

[BDKJMU]

EC(b) asshole driving is a red herring.

The tractor sprayer I had to pull over and make room for along my dirt road to the store was going the same speed it always does.

GF is right though. DSP essentially stopped doing speed enforcement. During my treatment, I was making it from Slower DE to Philly and back, 184 miles, in 2 hours, 21 mins. I averaged over 80 mph with stops and the city driving in Philly once I got off I-95. Cruising on Delaware Rt 1 at 100mph+ with no issues. Don't worry; I'm a pro. I've been to racing school.

Yeah they have to make sure Pennsylvanians don’t cross the border to buy alcohol, esp at the Total Wine and More in Claymont right over the border..

https://www.inquirer.com/news/delaware- ... utType=amp

[93henfan]

GF is right though. DSP essentially stopped doing speed enforcement. During my treatment, I was making it from Slower DE to Philly and back, 184 miles, in 2 hours, 21 mins. I averaged over 80 mph with stops and the city driving in Philly once I got off I-95. Cruising on Delaware Rt 1 at 100mph+ with no issues. Don't worry; I'm a pro. I've been to racing school.

Yeah they have to make sure Pennsylvanians don’t cross the border to buy alcohol, esp at the Total Wine and More in Claymont right over the border..

https://www.inquirer.com/news/delaware- ... utType=amp

Yep, stay the fuck out. Not our fault your dipshit Gov made booze stores close.

[UNI88]

Is there a Black Village or a Brown Village?

[CAA Flagship]

Is there a Black Village or a Brown Village?

I wonder how hotly contested the race is for Idiot.

[JohnStOnge]

Outside of NYC, the US collectively has been relatively successful at limiting the damage that COVID-19 might have done. This is especially true compared to Italy.

I think the jury is still out on that. First of all, at least as of the numbers at the Worldometers site as I type, the US deaths per million population drops from 199 to 121 if you subtract all New York STATE cases out of the equation. Even if there had been zero cases in New York State our position relative to other real countries (I'm leaving out things like the Italian city States on the list) changes from having the 10th highest cases per million population rate to having the 11th highest.

And what's going on here isn't on the decline. We have been stuck in a daily death count near 2,000 for a little over 3 weeks now. New York deaths have declined but as they have numbers of deaths reported by the rest of the country have increased so that the overall death rate has remained fairly constant. Right now I don't know how long that's going to go on.

We are doing way better than Italy right now in terms of deaths per million population. However, Italy is clearly on the decline and we are not. Here are the graphs:




If you go to the Worldometers site you will see similar trends in the daily new cases. Italy is clearly on the downslope. The United States is not.