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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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houndawg wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:21 am
kalm wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 6:39 am .

I’ll try answering for him. Ukraine (really NATO) is planning on striking the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant. They of course will try to blame it on Russia by duping the western press into erroneously reporting that Russia has planted explosives to sabotage it.
just like the dam....I thought so... :ohno:
Those bastard Ukrainians (I mean NATO) will stop at nothing in order to destroy their country.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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houndawg wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 6:31 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:40 pm

Where exactly has Ukraine busted into Russian territory and gained land?

You've been duped and are afraid to admit it. You'll switch jerseys later.
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What up bro, where ya been? Usually you're here daily with an update on the Russian's latest routing of Ukraine's military....did something change or something..? We count on you for the inside skinny of the situation :mrgreen:
Work. Just got done with a big event last week. Ukraine still can't get past where they have been the last two weeks. Which is sending under prepared troops into a slaughter zone.

Outside of that, the "coup" that lasted all of eight hours didn't seem to do much other than entrench Putin further. Now the FSB has the military personnel who wanted to revolt.

Klam is spot on in regards to the nuke plant/dam. Ukraine keeps saying Russia is going to blow it up, although Russia has been protecting it from Ukraine. Russia blowing it up makes about as much sense as blowing up Nordstream, but the suckers for the narrative will buy into that as well.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:11 pm
houndawg wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 6:31 am

SG! :lol:


What up bro, where ya been? Usually you're here daily with an update on the Russian's latest routing of Ukraine's military....did something change or something..? We count on you for the inside skinny of the situation :mrgreen:
Work. Just got done with a big event last week. Ukraine still can't get past where they have been the last two weeks. Which is sending under prepared troops into a slaughter zone.

Outside of that, the "coup" that lasted all of eight hours didn't seem to do much other than entrench Putin further. Now the FSB has the military personnel who wanted to revolt.

Klam is spot on in regards to the nuke plant/dam. Ukraine keeps saying Russia is going to blow it up, although Russia has been protecting it from Ukraine. Russia blowing it up makes about as much sense as blowing up Nordstream, but the suckers for the narrative will buy into that as well.
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I bet many a Ukrainian mother had wished the US and UK had not scuttled talks over a year ago. Fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/form ... -rcna92610
A group of former senior U.S. national security officials has held secret talks with prominent Russians believed to be close to the Kremlin — and, in at least one case, with the country’s top diplomat — with the aim of laying the groundwork for negotiations to end the war in Ukraine, half a dozen people briefed on the discussions said.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:59 pm I bet many a Ukrainian mother had wished the US and UK had not scuttled talks over a year ago. Fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/form ... -rcna92610
A group of former senior U.S. national security officials has held secret talks with prominent Russians believed to be close to the Kremlin — and, in at least one case, with the country’s top diplomat — with the aim of laying the groundwork for negotiations to end the war in Ukraine, half a dozen people briefed on the discussions said.
Doubtful - which isn't bad for you - but I bet vastly more of them feel like trhe grandmother that told the Russian kids posing as soldiders: "Carry seeds in your pockets so flowers will grow where you die." :thumb:
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:59 pm I bet many a Ukrainian mother had wished the US and UK had not scuttled talks over a year ago. Fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/form ... -rcna92610
A group of former senior U.S. national security officials has held secret talks with prominent Russians believed to be close to the Kremlin — and, in at least one case, with the country’s top diplomat — with the aim of laying the groundwork for negotiations to end the war in Ukraine, half a dozen people briefed on the discussions said.
I bet they wish Russia hadn’t illegally invaded too.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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kalm wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:14 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:59 pm I bet many a Ukrainian mother had wished the US and UK had not scuttled talks over a year ago. Fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/form ... -rcna92610

I bet they wish Russia hadn’t illegally invaded too.
You mean Russia intervened in the ongoing civil war between Ukraine and the Donbass. Let's not forget Merkel admitted the Minsk agreement was never meant to be followed, but to buy time to build up troops.

I for some reason don't remember you objecting to Ukraine shelling innocent women and children during their civil war, nor the treatment of the Roma.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
kalm wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:10 pm What I like about you Seagriz is you don’t call it quits at just alt right US propaganda.

:lol:
Bro. There's a long list of diplomats saying what I've said. It's one of the reasons I believe them to be true, in addition to W. media being wholly captured.
Brau, how do we know those diplomats are any more trustworthy than 51 intelligence officials?


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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:17 pm US to give Ukraine cluster munition to Ukraine. Must be out of regular ammo to give and of course would love to make any land lost uninhabitable.

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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:29 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:14 am

I bet they wish Russia hadn’t illegally invaded too.
You mean Russia intervened in the ongoing civil war between Ukraine and the Donbass. Let's not forget Merkel admitted the Minsk agreement was never meant to be followed, but to buy time to build up troops.

I for some reason don't remember you objecting to Ukraine shelling innocent women and children during their civil war, nor the treatment of the Roma.
What I like about you Seagriz is you don’t call it quits at just alt right US propaganda.

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US to give Ukraine cluster munition to Ukraine. Must be out of regular ammo to give and of course would love to make any land lost uninhabitable.

It will be a glorious day when the neocons pushing forever wars are someday pushed from power.
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kalm wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:10 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:29 pm

You mean Russia intervened in the ongoing civil war between Ukraine and the Donbass. Let's not forget Merkel admitted the Minsk agreement was never meant to be followed, but to buy time to build up troops.

I for some reason don't remember you objecting to Ukraine shelling innocent women and children during their civil war, nor the treatment of the Roma.
What I like about you Seagriz is you don’t call it quits at just alt right US propaganda.

:lol:
Bro. There's a long list of diplomats saying what I've said. It's one of the reasons I believe them to be true, in addition to W. media being wholly captured.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:19 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:10 pm

What I like about you Seagriz is you don’t call it quits at just alt right US propaganda.

:lol:
Bro. There's a long list of diplomats saying what I've said. It's one of the reasons I believe them to be true, in addition to W. media being wholly captured.
Yes. I’m sure there is a long list.

Did you mean to imply establishment media that is a big part of the military industrial complex? Because I can think of a large number of the “western” media who have issues with war in general and especially the killing of innocents who don’t agree with your take…………at all.
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kalm wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:39 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:19 pm

Bro. There's a long list of diplomats saying what I've said. It's one of the reasons I believe them to be true, in addition to W. media being wholly captured.
Yes. I’m sure there is a long list.

Did you mean to imply establishment media that is a big part of the military industrial complex? Because I can think of a large number of the “western” media who have issues with war in general and especially the killing of innocents who don’t agree with your take…………at all.
Yes, establishment media, especially British.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 8:40 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:39 pm

Yes. I’m sure there is a long list.

Did you mean to imply establishment media that is a big part of the military industrial complex? Because I can think of a large number of the “western” media who have issues with war in general and especially the killing of innocents who don’t agree with your take…………at all.
Yes, establishment media, especially British.
I like the Brits. Which outlets specifically?
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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:19 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:10 pm

What I like about you Seagriz is you don’t call it quits at just alt right US propaganda.

:lol:
Bro. There's a long list of diplomats saying what I've said. It's one of the reasons I believe them to be true, in addition to W. media being wholly captured.
:rofl:

Its hilarious on its own, but your masterful placement of it so close to the post where you assert your anti-establishmentness........ I feel priviliged to watch you taking 6.93 out a dozen more decimal places.... you're in the zone, bro, don't stop now...:notworthy:
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houndawg wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:23 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:19 pm

Bro. There's a long list of diplomats saying what I've said. It's one of the reasons I believe them to be true, in addition to W. media being wholly captured.
:rofl:

Its hilarious on its own, but your masterful placement of it so close to the post where you assert your anti-establishmentness........ I feel priviliged to watch you taking 6.93 out a dozen more decimal places.... you're in the zone, bro, don't stop now...:notworthy:
Let me rephrase that. There's a long list of diplomats who've guided my thoughts on Ukraine. When I first started out, I simply said I was only going to believe 10% of what I heard from the MSM due to the lies and gaslighting of COVID.

I then went out and started investigating and found many contradicting facts and history of the situation. Of course there's always going to be three sides to every story; my side, your side and the truth. I still go with bucking the MSM narrative.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:44 am
houndawg wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:23 am

:rofl:

Its hilarious on its own, but your masterful placement of it so close to the post where you assert your anti-establishmentness........ I feel priviliged to watch you taking 6.93 out a dozen more decimal places.... you're in the zone, bro, don't stop now...:notworthy:
Let me rephrase that. There's a long list of diplomats who've guided my thoughts on Ukraine. When I first started out, I simply said I was only going to believe 10% of what I heard from the MSM due to the lies and gaslighting of COVID.

I then went out and started investigating and found many contradicting facts and history of the situation. Of course there's always going to be three sides to every story; my side, your side and the truth. I still go with bucking the MSM narrative.
:nod:

I found Marie Yovanovitch's testimony quite compelling. Fiona Hill's too, although I don't think she was a diplomat technically, she was speaking first hand too. :coffee:
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SeattleGriz wrote:
houndawg wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:23 am :rofl:

Its hilarious on its own, but your masterful placement of it so close to the post where you assert your anti-establishmentness........ I feel priviliged to watch you taking 6.93 out a dozen more decimal places.... you're in the zone, bro, don't stop now...:notworthy:
Let me rephrase that. There's a long list of diplomats who're saying what I want to hear/read on Ukraine. When I first started out, I simply said I was only going to believe 10% of what I heard from the MSM due to the lies and gaslighting of COVID.

I then went out and started investigating and found many contradicting facts and history of the situation. Of course there's always going to be three sides to every story; my side, your side and the truth. I still go with bucking the MSM narrative.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:44 am
houndawg wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:23 am

:rofl:

Its hilarious on its own, but your masterful placement of it so close to the post where you assert your anti-establishmentness........ I feel priviliged to watch you taking 6.93 out a dozen more decimal places.... you're in the zone, bro, don't stop now...:notworthy:
Let me rephrase that. There's a long list of diplomats who've guided my thoughts on Ukraine. When I first started out, I simply said I was only going to believe 10% of what I heard from the MSM due to the lies and gaslighting of COVID.

I then went out and started investigating and found many contradicting facts and history of the situation. Of course there's always going to be three sides to every story; my side, your side and the truth. I still go with bucking the MSM narrative.
The best part is that all the relevant testimony is first-hand from Trump's own Republican appointees mouths straight to the publics ears. :thumb:
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houndawg wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:59 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:44 am

Let me rephrase that. There's a long list of diplomats who've guided my thoughts on Ukraine. When I first started out, I simply said I was only going to believe 10% of what I heard from the MSM due to the lies and gaslighting of COVID.

I then went out and started investigating and found many contradicting facts and history of the situation. Of course there's always going to be three sides to every story; my side, your side and the truth. I still go with bucking the MSM narrative.
The best part is that all the relevant testimony is first-hand from Trump's own Republican appointees mouths straight to the publics ears. :thumb:
Wrong thread bro. Trump's people haven't said anything about Ukraine.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:28 am
houndawg wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:59 am

The best part is that all the relevant testimony is first-hand from Trump's own Republican appointees mouths straight to the publics ears. :thumb:
Wrong thread bro. Trump's people haven't said anything about Ukraine.
It is hard to keep up with the various scandals and indictments. :coffee:
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houndawg wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:58 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:28 am

Wrong thread bro. Trump's people haven't said anything about Ukraine.
It is hard to keep up with the various scandals and indictments. :coffee:
:lol: Exactly, and not like it's a huge breach of board etiquette to veer off topic on a thread.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:17 pm US to give Ukraine cluster munition to Ukraine. Must be out of regular ammo to give and of course would love to make any land lost uninhabitable.

It will be a glorious day when the neocons pushing forever wars are someday pushed from power.
Bingo, called it.

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:18 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:17 pm US to give Ukraine cluster munition to Ukraine. Must be out of regular ammo to give and of course would love to make any land lost uninhabitable.

It will be a glorious day when the neocons pushing forever wars are someday pushed from power.
Bingo, called it.

You and Pulitzer Prize winning military correspondent Cheong skip right past the ethical issues with cluster munitions and go right into “we’re running out of bombs!”

…on a $900 million annual defense budget….

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