Coronavirus COVID-19

[JohnStOnge]

Ok it looks like, at least in terms of the deaths per Universal Time day as measured by the Worldometers site, we may be in a true declining trend in terms of daily deaths. The USA daily death total as reported by that site declined for four straight days through yesterday and looks like it will decline again today for a fifth straight day. Hopefully this will hold up, it'll be seasonal, and we can at least come out of our holes for the summer.

[kalm]

Ok it looks like, at least in terms of the deaths per Universal Time day as measured by the Worldometers site, we may be in a true declining trend in terms of daily deaths. The USA daily death total as reported by that site declined for four straight days through yesterday and looks like it will decline again today for a fifth straight day. Hopefully this will hold up, it'll be seasonal, and we can at least come out of our holes for the summer.

Positive news.

[kalm]

Hey...I know someone who went to the Wharton School.

“Reopening states will cause 233,000 more people to die from coronavirus, according to Wharton model
Kristin Myers

Yahoo FinanceMay 3, 2020, 5:00 AM PDT
New data from the University of Pennsylvania suggests that relaxing lockdowns across U.S. cities and states could have serious consequences for the country’s battle to contain the coronavirus, which has infected over a million people while killing more than 66,000 people.

According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM), reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place. This means that if the states were to reopen, 350,000 people in total would die from coronavirus by the end of June, the study found.”

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reopenin ... 49573.html

[BDKJMU]

Hey...I know someone who went to the Wharton School.

“Reopening states will cause 233,000 more people to die from coronavirus, according to Wharton model
Kristin Myers

Yahoo FinanceMay 3, 2020, 5:00 AM PDT
New data from the University of Pennsylvania suggests that relaxing lockdowns across U.S. cities and states could have serious consequences for the country’s battle to contain the coronavirus, which has infected over a million people while killing more than 66,000 people.

According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM), reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place. This means that if the states were to reopen, 350,000 people in total would die from coronavirus by the end of June, the study found.”

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reopenin ... 49573.html

What does Ms Myers mean by “re opening”?
-‘Re opening’ as in pre Chinese Virus with the follwing allowed to full capacity: restaurant dine in, bars, churches, stadiums & arenas, theaters, parks, beaches, etc, etc with no masks, no physical distancing, every going back to work, hospitals & docs offices, schools, etc. No testing, no temp checks, no contact tracing, etc, etc..

-Or ‘re opening’ as in limited capacity restaurant dine in, bars, churches, stadiums & arenas, theaters, parks, beaches, etc, etc with masks, physical distancing, many still working from home, more testing, temp checks, tracing, etc.

[Ivytalk]

“If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”

[Gil Dobie]

Ok it looks like, at least in terms of the deaths per Universal Time day as measured by the Worldometers site, we may be in a true declining trend in terms of daily deaths. The USA daily death total as reported by that site declined for four straight days through yesterday and looks like it will decline again today for a fifth straight day. Hopefully this will hold up, it'll be seasonal, and we can at least come out of our holes for the summer.

Positive news.

Positive news for the country as a whole, 5 straight days looking at today's deaths. Weekend deaths have usually been down. Minnesota is still averaging around 24 deaths, the last week and half, still peaking for a week or so.

[CID1990]

Whether China is a legit cause for concern? In what venue are they not?

China is in the middle of a global propaganda campaign to pin this pandemic on the US. We made some early mistakes but we did not give this virus the legs it needed by covering it up in the first several weeks when it could have been contained- AND they co-opted a UN organization tasked with pandemic prevention into going along with their party line.

So yeah, it matters - China will preserve the power of its single party dictatorship at the expense of its own citizens and neighbors... that is already known. This should be illustrative that they will also do it at the expense of world health.

Way too many people who should know better are minimizing China. My previous comment about Bill Gates is in reference to him saying we should visit this issue later. He and his fellow travelers are dead wrong, and our own and our allies’ ICs are rightly pushing back against their nonsense.

China is a menace on all fronts. This should be a wake up call for the entire world


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I was thinking along the lines of escalation. Agreed they are already a concern.

Escalation to where?

China is a controlling member of every international organization they belong to... the WTO, the UN

They are the world’s loan shark and they already own most of Africa, sections of Near East Asia, and they have an ally of convenience in Russia

All of those countries are co-opted by China (see it first hand here) and will support China on everything from re-writing maritime law to predatory trade practices to the eventual “annexation” of places like Taiwan and Cambodia and Laos.

There are LOADS of strategies that could be used to successfully counter China that don’t involve what you are implying


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[CID1990]

I’d be curious to see a study of people’s opinions on whether we should open up or lock down

sorta like one of those polls about political affiliation among those smart people who went to college

But this one would break down the respondents on whether they are still drawing a paycheck or not


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[kalm]

I was thinking along the lines of escalation. Agreed they are already a concern.

Escalation to where?

China is a controlling member of every international organization they belong to... the WTO, the UN

They are the world’s loan shark and they already own most of Africa, sections of Near East Asia, and they have an ally of convenience in Russia

All of those countries are co-opted by China (see it first hand here) and will support China on everything from re-writing maritime law to predatory trade practices to the eventual “annexation” of places like Taiwan and Cambodia and Laos.

There are LOADS of strategies that could be used to successfully counter China that don’t involve what you are implying


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Quit yelling at me!

Are we effdctively utilizing those strategies currently?

[CID1990]

Escalation to where?

China is a controlling member of every international organization they belong to... the WTO, the UN

They are the world’s loan shark and they already own most of Africa, sections of Near East Asia, and they have an ally of convenience in Russia

All of those countries are co-opted by China (see it first hand here) and will support China on everything from re-writing maritime law to predatory trade practices to the eventual “annexation” of places like Taiwan and Cambodia and Laos.

There are LOADS of strategies that could be used to successfully counter China that don’t involve what you are implying


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Quit yelling at me!

Are we effdctively utilizing those strategies currently?

No

We have too many powerful and influential people (like Bill Gates) or organizations who profit from China and are willing to run interference for them

That’s how China does it

Really only a populist movement could shake Chinese influence. I say that ironically but it is true


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[Winterborn]

Quit yelling at me!

Are we effdctively utilizing those strategies currently?

No

We have too many powerful and influential people (like Bill Gates) or organizations who profit from China and are willing to run interference for them

That’s how China does it

Really only a populist movement could shake Chinese influence. I say that ironically but it is true


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For what it is worth, I second CID's assessment. While I do not have his direct involvement on this issue, I do have years of experience working with Asian companies. Based on what I have read and people I have talked to with decades of experience on the business side in Asia, there is a very strong push for the status quo purely based on the amount of money they make by funneling it through our businesses and organizations. And by "they" I mean both the Chinese and American businesses/individuals who do business around the world.

Really it is no different than the our elected representatives kicking the can down the road and avoiding responsibility about our national debt and other issues. Just another example of people/businesses/governments choosing short term comfort/profit vs the long term benefits/stability.

[SDHornet]

Hey...I know someone who went to the Wharton School.

“Reopening states will cause 233,000 more people to die from coronavirus, according to Wharton model
Kristin Myers

Yahoo FinanceMay 3, 2020, 5:00 AM PDT
New data from the University of Pennsylvania suggests that relaxing lockdowns across U.S. cities and states could have serious consequences for the country’s battle to contain the coronavirus, which has infected over a million people while killing more than 66,000 people.

According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM), reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place. This means that if the states were to reopen, 350,000 people in total would die from coronavirus by the end of June, the study found.”

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reopenin ... 49573.html

What does Ms Myers mean by “re opening”?
-‘Re opening’ as in pre Chinese Virus with the follwing allowed to full capacity: restaurant dine in, bars, churches, stadiums & arenas, theaters, parks, beaches, etc, etc with no masks, no physical distancing, every going back to work, hospitals & docs offices, schools, etc. No testing, no temp checks, no contact tracing, etc, etc..

-Or ‘re opening’ as in limited capacity restaurant dine in, bars, churches, stadiums & arenas, theaters, parks, beaches, etc, etc with masks, physical distancing, many still working from home, more testing, temp checks, tracing, etc.

Expect to see a strong push of "doom and gloom" articles giving cover to the leftist governors who want/are extending lock downs now that the bodies aren't there to justify continued lock downs. If you lost your job because of a shut down and live in a blue state, you are completely fucked.

Another interesting note is SM is suppressing pages encouraging protests against lock downs. It'll be interesting to watch the censorship by "big tech" ramp up leading into November.

[SDHornet]

Quit yelling at me!

Are we effdctively utilizing those strategies currently?

No

We have too many powerful and influential people (like Bill Gates) or organizations who profit from China and are willing to run interference for them

That’s how China does it

Really only a populist movement could shake Chinese influence. I say that ironically but it is true


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Yeah but when you have a populist president pushing back against China's actions, say via tariffs and travel bans during a pandemic, you get "muh racist" narratives spewed all over the place.

[Winterborn]

What does Ms Myers mean by “re opening”?
-‘Re opening’ as in pre Chinese Virus with the follwing allowed to full capacity: restaurant dine in, bars, churches, stadiums & arenas, theaters, parks, beaches, etc, etc with no masks, no physical distancing, every going back to work, hospitals & docs offices, schools, etc. No testing, no temp checks, no contact tracing, etc, etc..

-Or ‘re opening’ as in limited capacity restaurant dine in, bars, churches, stadiums & arenas, theaters, parks, beaches, etc, etc with masks, physical distancing, many still working from home, more testing, temp checks, tracing, etc.

Expect to see a strong push of "doom and gloom" articles giving cover to the leftist governors who want/are extending lock downs now that the bodies aren't there to justify continued lock downs. If you lost your job because of a shut down and live in a blue state, you are completely fucked.

Another interesting note is SM is suppressing pages encouraging protests against lock downs. It'll be interesting to watch the censorship by "big tech" ramp up leading into November.

News articles "tone" has drastically changed in the last week/week-and-a-half as the data has shown the definite change in death rate and the overall information on infection rate has firmed up.

[kalm]

No

We have too many powerful and influential people (like Bill Gates) or organizations who profit from China and are willing to run interference for them

That’s how China does it

Really only a populist movement could shake Chinese influence. I say that ironically but it is true


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For what it is worth, I second CID's assessment. While I do not have his direct involvement on this issue, I do have years of experience working with Asian companies. Based on what I have read and people I have talked to with decades of experience on the business side in Asia, there is a very strong push for the status quo purely based on the amount of money they make by funneling it through our businesses and organizations. And by "they" I mean both the Chinese and American businesses/individuals who do business around the world.

Really it is no different than the our elected representatives kicking the can down the road and avoiding responsibility about our national debt and other issues. Just another example of people/businesses/governments choosing short term comfort/profit vs the long term benefits/stability.

Hot damn! Roll this poli board back a few years and I was getting body blows right and left for being anti-globalism.

[AZGrizFan]

For what it is worth, I second CID's assessment. While I do not have his direct involvement on this issue, I do have years of experience working with Asian companies. Based on what I have read and people I have talked to with decades of experience on the business side in Asia, there is a very strong push for the status quo purely based on the amount of money they make by funneling it through our businesses and organizations. And by "they" I mean both the Chinese and American businesses/individuals who do business around the world.

Really it is no different than the our elected representatives kicking the can down the road and avoiding responsibility about our national debt and other issues. Just another example of people/businesses/governments choosing short term comfort/profit vs the long term benefits/stability.

Hot damn! Roll this poli board back a few years and I was getting body blows right and left for being anti-globalism.

From whom?

[SDHornet]

For what it is worth, I second CID's assessment. While I do not have his direct involvement on this issue, I do have years of experience working with Asian companies. Based on what I have read and people I have talked to with decades of experience on the business side in Asia, there is a very strong push for the status quo purely based on the amount of money they make by funneling it through our businesses and organizations. And by "they" I mean both the Chinese and American businesses/individuals who do business around the world.

Really it is no different than the our elected representatives kicking the can down the road and avoiding responsibility about our national debt and other issues. Just another example of people/businesses/governments choosing short term comfort/profit vs the long term benefits/stability.

Hot damn! Roll this poli board back a few years and I was getting body blows right and left for being anti-globalism.

Links or it didn't happen.

[AZGrizFan]

Expect to see a strong push of "doom and gloom" articles giving cover to the leftist governors who want/are extending lock downs now that the bodies aren't there to justify continued lock downs. If you lost your job because of a shut down and live in a blue state, you are completely fucked.

Another interesting note is SM is suppressing pages encouraging protests against lock downs. It'll be interesting to watch the censorship by "big tech" ramp up leading into November.

News articles "tone" has drastically changed in the last week/week-and-a-half as the data has shown the definite change in death rate and the overall information on infection rate has firmed up.

Agreed...there’s a growing tide of lemming journalists who are starting to join, as Alex Berenson calls it, “team reality”.

[SDHornet]

News articles "tone" has drastically changed in the last week/week-and-a-half as the data has shown the definite change in death rate and the overall information on infection rate has firmed up.

Agreed...there’s a growing tide of lemming journalists who are starting to join, as Alex Berenson calls it, “team reality”.

Berenson has been throwing straight fire on Twitter lately. It's been epic.

[CID1990]

For what it is worth, I second CID's assessment. While I do not have his direct involvement on this issue, I do have years of experience working with Asian companies. Based on what I have read and people I have talked to with decades of experience on the business side in Asia, there is a very strong push for the status quo purely based on the amount of money they make by funneling it through our businesses and organizations. And by "they" I mean both the Chinese and American businesses/individuals who do business around the world.

Really it is no different than the our elected representatives kicking the can down the road and avoiding responsibility about our national debt and other issues. Just another example of people/businesses/governments choosing short term comfort/profit vs the long term benefits/stability.

Hot damn! Roll this poli board back a few years and I was getting body blows right and left for being anti-globalism.

From who?


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[UNI88]

Hot damn! Roll this poli board back a few years and I was getting body blows right and left for being anti-globalism.

From whom?

Trip? He's the most pro-globalism poster on this board.

[kalm]

Hot damn! Roll this poli board back a few years and I was getting body blows right and left for being anti-globalism.

From whom?

A number of people but Ganny stands out the most in my memory. The globalism/free trade argument began to flip nationally under Obama and establishment donks with PTP. Bernie was one of the few who fought it.

But remember Abramoff and Tom Delay? Good times!

[kalm]

Btw...pro tip:

When running a zoom meeting from your phone and using Bose ear buds, leaving your phone in the other room while you take a leak doesn’t mean people can’t still hear you.

I did my best Frank Drebin impersonation yesterday with 8 members of my family (siblings, nieces, nephews) all unison going “is somebody peeing?”

Must be a speaker in the Bose. At least I didn’t fart.

[89Hen]

Or how does it look if you chop off Italy on April 3rd, which is about where we are relative to them then?

89, just bumping your last post in the thread. This could impact some of your summer plans. Not sure how often you actually go down to the water, but this is really going to hurt some of the businesses, losing Memorial Day weekend and fireworks on July 4.

It's fine by me. I hate going into town when I'm down. Kids like to go in, but that's their problem.

[Ivytalk]

Btw...pro tip:

When running a zoom meeting from your phone and using Bose ear buds, leaving your phone in the other room while you take a leak doesn’t mean people can’t still hear you.

I did my best Frank Drebin impersonation yesterday with 8 members of my family (siblings, nieces, nephews) all unison going “is somebody peeing?”

Must be a speaker in the Bose. At least I didn’t fart.

Was Queen Elizabeth on the call?