Alito

[Ibanez]

So you have no problem with the Insurance or Drug industrry directly pumping millions of dollars into elections? You know they expect the elected to work for them.

So you have no problem with labor unions directly pumping millions upon millions of dollars into elections?

This decision more or less evens the playing field between big labor and corporations.

I have huge problems with that bullshit. It's been happening for decades. I'd love to see a politician...correction...a Statesman, come and clean house.

How does my comment lead you to believe i'm for it?

[Ibanez]

So you have no problem with labor unions directly pumping millions upon millions of dollars into elections?

This decision more or less evens the playing field between big labor and corporations.

I don't think either of them should be allowed to. Limit campaign contributions to individuals and call it a day.

I agree and would, stop using taxpayer money to fund campaigns.

[YoUDeeMan]

Kalm, you are like a blindfolded retard 12 year old with a BB gun... taking blind potshots in all directions.

[kalm]

Kalm, you are like a blindfolded retard 12 year old with a BB gun... taking blind potshots in all directions.

Way to pile on after I already admitted to my mistake you suck up.

So how does it feel to have a retard run circles around your economics.

[kalm]

Thanks Joe, but you still didn't answer my question concerning coroporate citezenship.

I think I did answer your question. I think if you read Justice Scalia's dissent in the Austin case, which was essentially the position adopted by Justice Kennedy the other day, you might see this in an opposite way -- what this law actually is a means by which incumbents (who else would be targeted by a corporation) insulate themselves from political commentary and criticism -- an extraordinary concept under the First Amendment.

The remedy is not to restrict speech, but to require proper disclosure. I can't understand why corporations can funnel money to PACs with warm and fuzzy names (when their real intent is to string high-tension power lines across your child's playground) and you have no idea who is really paying for the ad or what the PAC actually stands for.

If you require genuine disclosure, at a certain point corporate political commentary would even become counter-productive. If Exxon Mobil were running ads day and night targeting your congressman, you would feel pretty good about voting for him.

Good points, but let me argue this from the conservative/personal liberty standpoint.

Corportions, unions, etc are groups of people, that may or may not be democratic in nature. Can't collective power in regards to wealth and the ability to influence elections outweigh the voice of single individuals? For example, I read a stat somewhere that 9 corporations control 90% of the US media. Can't the consilidation of media power limit the speech of the individual? Rupert Murdoch is Australian, does he not have at least some control over what is produced by Fox and the Wall Street Journal? How would conservatives feel if he were Chinese?

[Woof]

The bottom line is that BO has now addressed the Union twice and proven to America he is incapable of telling the truth, especially if it gets in the way of his unashamedly, socialist agenda. There comes a point when "spin" crosses the threshhold into falsehood and that is where this Pres permanently resides.

[travelinman67]

Had a hoot last night.

Some local lefty radio host spent the first half of his show spinning Oblameo's lies, then almost 15 min. chastising Alito's reaction. He then had a call-in poll with the question:

Who's actions were more inappropriate? Obama's chastising the court in the SOTU, or Alito's reaction in a national forum?

...and everyone waited, and waited, and waited...

...the flake finished, and the news station never reported the results.

Sooo...I called. Took the intern a while...but she came back after over 15 minutes.

Obama's actions worst: 96%
Alito's: 4%

[kalm]

The bottom line is that BO has now addressed the Union twice and proven to America he is incapable of telling the truth, especially if it gets in the way of his unashamedly, socialist agenda. There comes a point when "spin" crosses the threshhold into falsehood and that is where this Pres permanently resides.

This just in:

Politician tells the people what they want to here...much hand wringing ensues.

I have an idea for a new drinking game: everytime Obama gets called a socialist.

[Appaholic]

The bottom line is that BO has now addressed the Union twice and proven to America he is incapable of telling the truth, especially if it gets in the way of his unashamedly, socialist agenda. There comes a point when "spin" crosses the threshhold into falsehood and that is where this Pres permanently resides.

So...no change....he's like every other president we've ever had....


"Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."

"But I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false."

"Read my lips: no new taxes."

"We did not--repeat--did not trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we."

[mainejeff]

My question is........will Republicans still support this ruling when certain corporations push liberal candidates or ideas?????

[Ibanez]

My question is........will Republicans still support this ruling when certain corporations push liberal candidates or ideas?????

Jeff,
Why ask questions when you already know the answer?

-Mark

P.S.

[native]

The bottom line is that BO has now addressed the Union twice and proven to America he is incapable of telling the truth, especially if it gets in the way of his unashamedly, socialist agenda. There comes a point when "spin" crosses the threshhold into falsehood and that is where this Pres permanently resides.

So...no change....he's like every other president we've ever had....

You need to pick your examples more carefully, Appaholic.

TRUE: "Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past.... "
In this instance, Bush junior was telling the truth.

FALSE: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky..."
Slick Willie opens his mouth.

FALSE: "Read my lips: no new taxes."
Bush senior broke his promise.

TRUE: "We did not--repeat--did not trade weapons or anything else for hostages..."
Reagan was barely taking the oath of office when the Iranian hostages were freed.

Woof's point is still valid. We can all cherry pick missteps and falsehoods from the presidential statements of both parties, but never in our time have has the lying been so widespread, brazen or transparent. It's about the only transparency we get from this administration.

[Woof]

I have an idea for a new drinking game: everytime Obama gets called a socialist.

...if your goal is to drink more frequently, you could change the game so that you drank everytime he proposed a socialist idea.....your liver wouldn't make it to the spring.

[native]

I have an idea for a new drinking game: everytime Obama gets called a socialist.

...if your goal is to drink more frequently, you could change the game so that you drank everytime he proposed a socialist idea.....your liver wouldn't make it to the spring.

Kalm is in love with socialist ideas. Like FDR, he calls it "saving capitalism."

[kalm]

...if your goal is to drink more frequently, you could change the game so that you drank everytime he proposed a socialist idea.....your liver wouldn't make it to the spring.

Kalm is in love with socialist ideas. Like FDR, he calls it "saving capitalism."

1) Other than TARP which was initiated by Bush and favored a top down stimulus through the oligarchical banks, and the Stimulus plan 1/3 of which included tax cuts which most if not all economists admit do not create economic stimulus in a recession, and the temporary nationalization of big auto which has occurred in similar fashion in other mixed econonomies with the loans being paid back and eventual re-privatization (see Peugot), name me the countless other forms of socialism Obama has proposed that would get me to taking more than three drinks in the last year. And forget healthcare, Obama and Max Baucus dumped single payer and the public option as soon as they met with big Pharma and the insurance companies.

2) Check out this wealth redistributing socialist who was also attempting to save captialism. What a commie.

I especially challenge the attention of the people to the need of dealing in far-reaching fashion with our human resources, and therefore our labor power. In a century and a quarter as a nation the American people have subdued and settled the vast reaches of a continent; ahead lies the greater task of building upon this foundation, by themselves, for themselves, and with themselves, an American common wealth which in its social and economic structure shall be four square with democracy. With England striving to make good the human wreckage to which a scrapheap scheme of industrialism has relegated her, with Germany putting the painstaking resources of an Empire at the work of developing her crafts and industrial sciences, with the Far East placing in the hands of its millions the tools invented and fashioned by Western civilization, it behooves Americans to keep abreast of the great industrial changes and to show that the people themselves, through popular self-government, call meet an age of crisis with wisdom and strength.

In the last twenty years an increasing percentage of our people have come to depend on industry for their livelihood, so that today the wage-workers in industry rank in importance side by side with the tillers of the soil. As a people we cannot afford to let any group of citizens or any individual citizen live or labor under conditions which are injurious to the common welfare. Industry, therefore, must submit to such public regulation as will make it a means of life and health, not of death or inefficiency. We must protect the crushable elements at the base of our present industrial structure.

The first charge on the industrial statesmanship of the day is to prevent human waste. The dead weight of orphanage and depleted craftsmanship, of crippled workers and workers suffering from trade diseases, of casual labor, of insecure old age, and of household depletion due to industrial conditions are, like our depleted soils, our gashed mountain-sides and flooded river bottoms, so many strains upon the National structure, draining the reserve strength of all industries and showing beyond all peradventure the public element and public concern in industrial health.

Ultimately we desire to use the Government to aid, as far as can safely be done, in helping the industrial tool-users to become in part tool-owners, just as our farmers now are. Ultimately the Government may have to join more efficiently than at present in strengthening the hands of the workingmen who already stand at a high level, industrially and socially, and who are able by joint action to serve themselves. But the most pressing and immediate need is to deal with the cases of those who are on the level, and who are not only in need themselves, but, because of their need, tend to jeopardize the welfare of those who are better off. We hold that under no industrial order, in no commonwealth, in no trade, and in no establishment should industry be carried on under conditions inimical to the social welfare. The abnormal, ruthless, spendthrift industry of establishment tends to drag down all to the level of the least considerate.

We stand for a living wage. Wages are subnormal if they fail to provide a living for those who devote their time and energy to industrial occupations. The monetary equivalent of a living wage varies according to local conditions, but must include enough to secure the elements of a normal standard of living--a standard high enough to make morality possible, to provide for education and recreation, to care for immature members of the family, to maintain the family during periods of sickness, and to permit of reasonable saving for old age.

[CID1990]

Kalm, you are like a blindfolded retard 12 year old with a BB gun... taking blind potshots in all directions. Where did I offer any opinion on the influence of corporations?

My bad, I meant foreign entities. Damn, there goes my chance at guard duty in the compound.

Hey, I have plenty of other openings. Do you know anything about plowing with mules?

[ngineer]

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You gotta be out of your mind or have horrible amnesia...How many times over the past decades have Republican presidents lambasted the Supreme Court on Roe v. Wade??! UFR.

Not during the SOTU address where the Justices are a captive audience.

Lehigh must have social science degrees. You are clearly not an engineer.

Then you have no mind or just a biased selective memory.

[kalm]

My bad, I meant foreign entities. Damn, there goes my chance at guard duty in the compound.

Hey, I have plenty of other openings. Do you know anything about plowing with mules?

That is fucking sick. I want nothing to do with your beastiality or your compound.

[YoUDeeMan]

Way to pile on after I already admitted to my mistake you suck up.

So how does it feel to have a retard run circles around your economics.

Speaking of running around in circles, have you even watched a rabid mouse keep chasing its tail right up until it gets crushed by a car?

Your economic theories would be perfect...if you could only take the human element out of them. But life doesn't work that way, so go back to your books and leave the real economic discussion to others.

[native]

...The first charge on the industrial statesmanship of the day is to prevent human waste. ...

Teddy's 1912 campaign rhetoric kinda takes the shine off of some of his real world accomplishments.

But it doesn't make your argument.

[native]

Not during the SOTU address where the Justices are a captive audience.

Lehigh must have social science degrees. You are clearly not an engineer.

Then you have no mind or just a biased selective memory.

Would you be so kind as to cite an example?

[native]

My bad, I meant foreign entities. Damn, there goes my chance at guard duty in the compound.

Hey, I have plenty of other openings. Do you know anything about plowing with mules?

My granddad plowed with mules. I am a hard worker but it would take a while to get the callouses back.

I am also a good shot when it's my turn for guard duty.

[Skjellyfetti]

Then you have no mind or just a biased selective memory.

Would you be so kind as to cite an example?

Reagan 1984:

During our first 3 years, we have joined bipartisan efforts to restore protection of the law to unborn children. Now, I know this issue is very controversial. But unless and until it can be proven that an unborn child is not a living human being, can we justify assuming without proof that it isn't? No one has yet offered such proof; indeed, all the evidence is to the contrary. We should rise above bitterness and reproach, and if Americans could come together in a spirit of understanding and helping, then we could find positive solutions to the tragedy of abortion.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=40205

[native]

Would you be so kind as to cite an example?

Reagan 1984:

During our first 3 years, we have joined bipartisan efforts to restore protection of the law to unborn children. Now, I know this issue is very controversial. But unless and until it can be proven that an unborn child is not a living human being, can we justify assuming without proof that it isn't? No one has yet offered such proof; indeed, all the evidence is to the contrary. We should rise above bitterness and reproach, and if Americans could come together in a spirit of understanding and helping, then we could find positive solutions to the tragedy of abortion.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=40205

Hey, Scarecrow, great quote from Reagan!

Did you happen to notice that Reagan, unlike Obama, addressed the issue without casting aspersion on the court or justices?

By comparison, here is the excerpt from Obama's State of the Union:

"...With all due deference to separation of powers, last week the Supreme Court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests –- including foreign corporations –- to spend without limit in our elections...."

Did it escape your attention that Reagan - unlike Obama - did not tell a bold faced lie, and that he was all about "us" and "we" and not about "I" and "me?"

So what kind of sociology degree do you actually hold from Lehigh?

[Skjellyfetti]

Nice backpedaling. Just a few days until National Signing Day! You might be able to get a scholly as a DB, Native!