what is Iran's major shock on February 11th?

[Ibanez]

They already tolerate Iran with the expanding capability. If it was really a threat, Israel should've acted by now.

Maybe, but there is a different dynamic right now.

Israel does not have the capability to strike Iran without overflying US forces. That is a completely different can of worms for them to deal with, compared with when they hit Syria's reactor or Iraq's back before Desert Storm.

Israel might well decide that it is worth the fallout for them to hit Iran by overflying Iraq, but I think they have shown more restraint than they otherwise would have in this instance. I think they DO perceive Iran as an imminent threat, and Bibi just the other day called for immediate, crippling sanctions. If the UN follows its usual M.O. we may well see an Israeli strike soon. That being said, I think Iran's program is too hardened and spread out for surgical strikes to make much of a dent. These are not lazy stupid Syrian Arab military types we are dealing with, here.

No doubt, Israel will take a cue from us. But, they will feel pushed into a corner and will fight back when pushed, even with out our approval. Of course, when that happens, we will have to commit Forces. But hey, we're already in Iraq, Afghanistan and in the Gulf. Sanctions are useless. Did you recall how Saddam of Gaddafi reacted to the many sanctions. Aren't there already sanctions against Iran? It's like the yellow card in Soccer.


YELLOW CARD, #666! Now, you think about what you're doing. Get back out there champ.

[CID1990]

Maybe, but there is a different dynamic right now.

Israel does not have the capability to strike Iran without overflying US forces. That is a completely different can of worms for them to deal with, compared with when they hit Syria's reactor or Iraq's back before Desert Storm.

Israel might well decide that it is worth the fallout for them to hit Iran by overflying Iraq, but I think they have shown more restraint than they otherwise would have in this instance. I think they DO perceive Iran as an imminent threat, and Bibi just the other day called for immediate, crippling sanctions. If the UN follows its usual M.O. we may well see an Israeli strike soon. That being said, I think Iran's program is too hardened and spread out for surgical strikes to make much of a dent. These are not lazy stupid Syrian Arab military types we are dealing with, here.

No doubt, Israel will take a cue from us. But, they will feel pushed into a corner and will fight back when pushed, even with out our approval. Of course, when that happens, we will have to commit Forces. But hey, we're already in Iraq, Afghanistan and in the Gulf. Sanctions are useless. Did you recall how Saddam of Gaddafi reacted to the many sanctions. Aren't there already sanctions against Iran? It's like the yellow card in Soccer.


YELLOW CARD, #666! Now, you think about what you're doing. Get back out there champ.

Of course the sanctions Bibi is asking for won't work. Especially not in the time frame that would be needed. Plus, he knows full well that China and Russia will never allow it. The Israelis are simply punching all the required holes in the card before acting more unilaterally.

[Grizalltheway]

Maybe, but there is a different dynamic right now.

Israel does not have the capability to strike Iran without overflying US forces. That is a completely different can of worms for them to deal with, compared with when they hit Syria's reactor or Iraq's back before Desert Storm.

Israel might well decide that it is worth the fallout for them to hit Iran by overflying Iraq, but I think they have shown more restraint than they otherwise would have in this instance. I think they DO perceive Iran as an imminent threat, and Bibi just the other day called for immediate, crippling sanctions. If the UN follows its usual M.O. we may well see an Israeli strike soon. That being said, I think Iran's program is too hardened and spread out for surgical strikes to make much of a dent. These are not lazy stupid Syrian Arab military types we are dealing with, here.

No doubt, Israel will take a cue from us. But, they will feel pushed into a corner and will fight back when pushed, even with out our approval. Of course, when that happens, we will have to commit Forces. But hey, we're already in Iraq, Afghanistan and in the Gulf. Sanctions are useless. Did you recall how Saddam of Gaddafi reacted to the many sanctions. Aren't there already sanctions against Iran? It's like the yellow card in Soccer.


YELLOW CARD, #666! Now, you think about what you're doing. Get back out there champ.

If you get two yellow cards, you're out of the game, and if you accrue enough of them, you'll get suspended for a game or two.
Back to reading Engels.

[polsongrizz]

No doubt, Israel will take a cue from us. But, they will feel pushed into a corner and will fight back when pushed, even with out our approval. Of course, when that happens, we will have to commit Forces. But hey, we're already in Iraq, Afghanistan and in the Gulf. Sanctions are useless. Did you recall how Saddam of Gaddafi reacted to the many sanctions. Aren't there already sanctions against Iran? It's like the yellow card in Soccer.

If you get two yellow cards, you're out of the game, and if you accrue enough of them, you'll get suspended for a game or two.
Back to reading Engels.

Close but no cigar. If awarded a Yellow twice in a game you will be out the rest of that game and the next one. If awarded a yellow in say today"s game and then another in the next game, you will also be kicked out of that game and the next.

[Col Hogan]

Close but no cigar. If awarded a Yellow twice in a game you will be out the rest of that game and the next one. If awarded a yellow in say today"s game and then another in the next game, you will also be kicked out of that game and the next.

I know this is a thread hijack....but WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT???

[Grizalltheway]

If you get two yellow cards, you're out of the game, and if you accrue enough of them, you'll get suspended for a game or two.
Back to reading Engels.

Close but no cigar. If awarded a Yellow twice in a game you will be out the rest of that game and the next one. If awarded a yellow in say today"s game and then another in the next game, you will also be kicked out of that game and the next.

I would have to say close but no cigar to you as well, sir. Getting only one yellow in a game won't get you kicked out of that game, no matter what. Let's say someone gets a yellow in the first and second legs of a champions league semifinal. They won't be tossed from either game, but they'll be suspended from the final, if their team makes it.

[polsongrizz]

Close but no cigar. If awarded a Yellow twice in a game you will be out the rest of that game and the next one. If awarded a yellow in say today"s game and then another in the next game, you will also be kicked out of that game and the next.

I know this is a thread hijack....but WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT???

Been the rule for as long as I can remember. Oh yeah, your team will also play one man down the rest of the match.

[TribeNomad]

Ask the families of the "civilians" who died in the towers and on the airplane that crashed into the Pa field......

[youngterrier]

You pro-nuke guys make dick Cheney sound like jane Fonda. What a bunch of ahmadinejads.

so you admit when another country attacks us (not a terrorist group but an actual country) we should just sit down and take it? check the economy, we can't afford to have another Iraq-like war, I'd just go in there and break everything (or listen to Cid1990)

[Ibanez]

No doubt, Israel will take a cue from us. But, they will feel pushed into a corner and will fight back when pushed, even with out our approval. Of course, when that happens, we will have to commit Forces. But hey, we're already in Iraq, Afghanistan and in the Gulf. Sanctions are useless. Did you recall how Saddam of Gaddafi reacted to the many sanctions. Aren't there already sanctions against Iran? It's like the yellow card in Soccer.


YELLOW CARD, #666! Now, you think about what you're doing. Get back out there champ.

If you get two yellow cards, you're out of the game, and if you accrue enough of them, you'll get suspended for a game or two.
Back to reading Engels.

Soccer is a shitty game and is more boring to watch than golf. I'd rather watch Dick CHeney do the penguin laugh for 2 hours than bore myself with Soccer or Golf.

[SeattleGriz]

I say their punch will be the unveiling of an advance Russian Air Defense system.

[Grizalltheway]

If you get two yellow cards, you're out of the game, and if you accrue enough of them, you'll get suspended for a game or two.
Back to reading Engels.

Soccer is a shitty game and is more boring to watch than golf. I'd rather watch Dick CHeney do the penguin laugh for 2 hours than bore myself with Soccer or Golf.

Well who the fuck asked you?

[BlueHen86]

Close but no cigar. If awarded a Yellow twice in a game you will be out the rest of that game and the next one. If awarded a yellow in say today"s game and then another in the next game, you will also be kicked out of that game and the next.

I would have to say close but no cigar to you as well, sir. Getting only one yellow in a game won't get you kicked out of that game, no matter what. Let's say someone gets a yellow in the first and second legs of a champions league semifinal. They won't be tossed from either game, but they'll be suspended from the final, if their team makes it.

I think that is correct.

[Wedgebuster]

New-cler, nukilar, noo-kulr, damn!!!

[Benne]

Ask the families of the "civilians" who died in the towers and on the airplane that crashed into the Pa field......

In what context does 9/11 have to do with Iran?

[danefan]

So I thought this was supposed to be a surprise.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/02/ ... 34x422.jpg


Today President Ahmadinejad announced that the Islamic Republic had produced its first batch of 20 per cent enriched uranium. He is pictured here at the Natanz nuclear plant

[kalm]

You pro-nuke guys make dick Cheney sound like jane Fonda. What a bunch of ahmadinejads.

so you admit when another country attacks us (not a terrorist group but an actual country) we should just sit down and take it? check the economy, we can't afford to have another Iraq-like war, I'd just go in there and break everything (or listen to Cid1990)

Oh, so it's not just a tough guy thing, it's also a money thing. Few, I'm so relieved.

[travelinman67]

So I thought this was supposed to be a surprise.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/02/ ... 34x422.jpg


Today President Ahmadinejad announced that the Islamic Republic had produced its first batch of 20 per cent enriched uranium. He is pictured here at the Natanz nuclear plant

Yay! Good for him! He's a winner!




The slow kid Ahmanutjob wins an award for his "science" experiment...

[TribeNomad]

The "context" has to do with the comments about civ. casualties that we inflict......my point is, be concerned about our own citizens who died at the hands of the terrorists..........oh wait, it wasn't the terrorists who bombed the towers---Bush had it done so he could attack Iraq------show could I forget......

[Grizalltheway]

The "context" has to do with the comments about civ. casualties that we inflict......my point is, be concerned about our own citizens who died at the hands of the terrorists..........oh wait, it wasn't the terrorists who bombed the towers---Bush had it done so he could attack Iraq------show could I forget......

Uh, it was Saddam that masterminded 9/11, weren't you listening to Bush and Cheney???

[kirkblitz]

The "context" has to do with the comments about civ. casualties that we inflict......my point is, be concerned about our own citizens who died at the hands of the terrorists..........oh wait, it wasn't the terrorists who bombed the towers---Bush had it done so he could attack Iraq------show could I forget......

Uh, it was Saddam that masterminded 9/11, weren't you listening to Bush and Cheney???

[TribeNomad]

Saddam---Al Queda, let's not split hairs, they want to destroy our nation, most of us want to protect it......

[ASUMountaineer]

Saddam---Al Queda, let's not split hairs, they want to destroy our nation, most of us want to protect it......

I'm not sure Saddam wants to do anything, now.

[TribeNomad]

True.......now about Bin Laden....

[ASUMountaineer]

True.......now about Bin Laden....

Um, yeah...I think he does. Luckily, he lives in a cave. I was being funny with the Saddam comment, I should have added a

Getting bin Laden would have been easier had we not distracted ourselves with Iraq. But, that's another thread topic.

I'm not sure Iran's "major shock" was all that shocking.