Tea Party 48%, Obama 44%

[youngterrier]

What crazy Marxist things has he done that he promised not to do?

The big promise was one of open government. The reality has been a bolshevist style tyrannnical process.

The bailouts on Obama's watch have been an overreach and arguably marxist.

The appointment of marx-loving czars has been an outrage.

Obama's major domestic legislation and policy initiatives have arguably started us down the slippery slope towards marxist solutions. You don't have to agree with the slippery slope argument and you can argue against it, but you cannot say the slippery slope argument is not a valid argument for consideration.

we've been going down the slippery slope a while, the fact that people give a crap now is disappointing and a relief

[native]

The big promise was one of open government. The reality has been a bolshevist style tyrannnical process.
Any change from other Administrations? Or just the status quo?

The bailouts on Obama's watch have been an overreach and arguably marxist.
Bush was a Marxist too then?

The appointment of marx-loving czars has been an outrage.
This I honestly have no clue about. Any links?

Obama's major domestic legislation and policy initiatives have arguably started us down the slippery slope towards marxist solutions. You don't have to agree with the slippery slope argument and you can argue against it, but you cannot say the slippery slope argument is not a valid argument for consideration.
Valid? Sure. But just because you have an argument doesn't make it a good one. Slipperly slope is the argument of last resort for any advocate. It means you have no evidence of anything but far removed "possibilities".

Yes! Regarding open government, there are at least two important distinctions between Obama and previous administrations. First, Obama made open government a central theme of his campaign, not Bush's campaign. He ran on the issue and it has turned out to be a really big lie. Secondly, there are quantitative and qualitative differences between Obama's legislative methods and those of previous administrations.

A marx-loving appointment example is Ron Bloom, Obama's senior counselor for manufacturing policy, who said, "...Generally speaking we get the joke. We know that the free market is nonsense. We know that the whole point is to game the system, to beat the market, or at least find someone who will pay you a lot of money because they're convinced that there is a free lunch. We know this is largely about power, that it's an adults only, no limit game. We kind of agree with Mao that political power comes largely from the barrel of a gun...."
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Another marx-lover is FCC "Chief Diversity Officer," Mark Lloyd, who - less than a year ago - offered effusive praise for Hugo Chavez' "democratic revolution" and celebrated Chavez' confiscation iof private property, AFTER Chavez had shut down 34 opposition media outlets.
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Other examples are self-proclaimed ("former") communist Van Jones and self proclaimed Mao-admirer Anita Dunn.

Can you point to a single example of a robust defense of free enterprise as the engine of growth and productivity by any senior member of the Obama administration? Can you cite an example of any warnings about the harmful consequences of marxism?

[Skjellyfetti]

Don't you think if it were so obvious we're heading towards Communism... the stock market would be a little scared... and might drop just a bit? Why would anyone keep money in stocks?

[ASUMountaineer]

Agreed, and better late than never...but, the "outrage" is what's hilarious/ sad about the tea party.

Obama made a lot of promises that quieted pre-election fears of his latent marxism and gave people hope that he would govern as a moderate. Now that he turns out to be both dishonest and incompetent, people are outraged that his promises turned out to be false, so they are rising up. People in a free republic should not have had to worry about the kinds of surreptitious and dangerous changes Obama is foisting upon us, but they no longer have much of a choice.

I was outraged about Obama long before the election results. Obama's stripes are not a surprise to me. But most people did not see it coming.

Oh, you mean like Bush said he was against nation building. Or, Bush saying he wanted to limit the scope of the government. Gotcha. Again, no outrage from the tea party people.

[native]

Obama made a lot of promises that quieted pre-election fears of his latent marxism and gave people hope that he would govern as a moderate. Now that he turns out to be both dishonest and incompetent, people are outraged that his promises turned out to be false, so they are rising up. People in a free republic should not have had to worry about the kinds of surreptitious and dangerous changes Obama is foisting upon us, but they no longer have much of a choice.

I was outraged about Obama long before the election results. Obama's stripes are not a surprise to me. But most people did not see it coming.

Oh, you mean like Bush said he was against nation building. Or, Bush saying he wanted to limit the scope of the government. Gotcha. Again, no outrage from the tea party people.

Just not true, Mountaineer. You will be hard pressed to find a Tea Partier who longs for another George Bush Presidency or who supports the big-government, big-spending Bush government. That's why massive affinity for tea party issues does not translate to the same level of support for the Republican Party.

[ASUMountaineer]

Oh, you mean like Bush said he was against nation building. Or, Bush saying he wanted to limit the scope of the government. Gotcha. Again, no outrage from the tea party people.

Just not true, Mountaineer. You will be hard pressed to find a Tea Partier who longs for another George Bush Presidency or who supports the big-government, big-spending Bush government. That's why massive affinity for tea party issues does not translate to the same level of support for the Republican Party.

Of course it's true. Where was the outrage? Where were the protests? You totally disregarded those parts of my posts. I understand why, because it's not advantageous...but, the truth hurts. These people were voted for big-government, big-spending Republicans. Now that it's big-government, big-spending Democrats in power, they're pissed. I am pissed too, but I didn't (finally) find my "outrage" in November 2008.

[native]

Just not true, Mountaineer. You will be hard pressed to find a Tea Partier who longs for another George Bush Presidency or who supports the big-government, big-spending Bush government. That's why massive affinity for tea party issues does not translate to the same level of support for the Republican Party.

Of course it's true. Where was the outrage? Where were the protests? You totally disregarded those parts of my posts. I understand why, because it's not advantageous...but, the truth hurts. These people were voted for big-government, big-spending Republicans. Now that it's big-government, big-spending Democrats in power, they're pissed. I am pissed too, but I didn't (finally) find my "outrage" in November 2008.

Your "truth" is an old truth. I did engage your points in the present tense. I hope you are not saying that there is a moral equivalence between Bush and Obama and that, therefore, there should have been an equal reaction to Bush.

The truth of Bush's performance hurts now and it hurt then, but if you are just jumping on the tea party hatred wagon and calling it "truth," you are way off base and I will not be joining you.

[houndawg]

Agreed, and better late than never...but, the "outrage" is what's hilarious/ sad about the tea party.

Obama made a lot of promises that quieted pre-election fears of his latent marxism and gave people hope that he would govern as a moderate. Now that he turns out to be both dishonest and incompetent, people are outraged that his promises turned out to be false, so they are rising up. People in a free republic should not have had to worry about the kinds of surreptitious and dangerous changes Obama is foisting upon us, but they no longer have much of a choice.

I was outraged about Obama long before the election results. Obama's stripes are not a surprise to me. But most people did not see it coming.

Either you're a master at deflection or everybody gets it but you, nathan.

Where was the outrage while the previous administration was spending us into oblivion? The so-called Tea Party sat still for eight years while our civil liberties were flushed down the toilet and the middle class was beaten to a pulp. Don't tell me about Obama, this was happening while he was still a state level politician running against a wife-pimping opponent. Eight long years of Dead or Alive and Freedom Fries and Patriot Act and Free Speech Zones and not a peep out of these buffoons until a black man gets elected........you got nothing, norman...........other than deflection and diversion..........

[native]

Obama made a lot of promises that quieted pre-election fears of his latent marxism and gave people hope that he would govern as a moderate. Now that he turns out to be both dishonest and incompetent, people are outraged that his promises turned out to be false, so they are rising up. People in a free republic should not have had to worry about the kinds of surreptitious and dangerous changes Obama is foisting upon us, but they no longer have much of a choice.

I was outraged about Obama long before the election results. Obama's stripes are not a surprise to me. But most people did not see it coming.

Either you're a master at deflection or everybody gets it but you, nathan.

Where was the outrage while the previous administration was spending us into oblivion? The so-called Tea Party sat still for eight years while our civil liberties were flushed down the toilet and the middle class was beaten to a pulp. Don't tell me about Obama, this was happening while he was still a state level politician running against a wife-pimping opponent. Eight long years of Dead or Alive and Freedom Fries and Patriot Act and Free Speech Zones and not a peep out of these buffoons until a black man gets elected........you got nothing, norman...........other than deflection and diversion..........

If you actually vote, I hope you continue to think that way, dawg.

The term "doubled-down" does not begin to capture the massive difference in the scale of spendthrift irresponsibility between Bush and Obama.

[mainejeff]

People need to STOP WHINING about EVERYTHING.

Jesus Christ........do people have families, jobs, hobbies, lives????......

Yes, yes, yes,yes...

Does that mean I should just roll over and accept what I believe to be wrong???

Whatever.......go on wasting your life if you want.......I certainly don't give a sh*t what you do.

[mainejeff]

Choose to believe and perceive what you will.

So America was happy with the performance of their government pre-Obama? How do you think a black Muslim got elected in the 1st place.....

That's "Muslin" to the Tea Baggers.......

[mainejeff]

Whatever....SOMETHING ultimately triggers outrage....there's a lot of hypocrisy in their venom, but there's a lot of pent up disgust with the overall state and direction of the country as well.

They should have formed their movement a decade ago then.

[native]

Obama made a lot of promises that quieted pre-election fears of his latent marxism and gave people hope that he would govern as a moderate. Now that he turns out to be both dishonest and incompetent, people are outraged that his promises turned out to be false, so they are rising up. People in a free republic should not have had to worry about the kinds of surreptitious and dangerous changes Obama is foisting upon us, but they no longer have much of a choice.

I was outraged about Obama long before the election results. Obama's stripes are not a surprise to me. But most people did not see it coming.

Either you're a master at deflection or everybody gets it but you, nathan.

Where was the outrage while the previous administration was spending us into oblivion? The so-called Tea Party sat still for eight years while our civil liberties were flushed down the toilet and the middle class was beaten to a pulp. Don't tell me about Obama, this was happening while he was still a state level politician running against a wife-pimping opponent. Eight long years of Dead or Alive and Freedom Fries and Patriot Act and Free Speech Zones and not a peep out of these buffoons until a black man gets elected........you got nothing, norman...........other than deflection and diversion..........

A lot of people have made stupid mistakes over the past eight years, most notably and undeniably the idiots who voted for Obama.

[houndawg]

Agreed, and better late than never...but, the "outrage" is what's hilarious/ sad about the tea party.

Whatever....SOMETHING ultimately triggers outrage....there's a lot of hypocrisy in their venom, but there's a lot of pent up disgust with the overall state and direction of the country as well.

In this case it was electing a brutha.

[native]

Whatever....SOMETHING ultimately triggers outrage....there's a lot of hypocrisy in their venom, but there's a lot of pent up disgust with the overall state and direction of the country as well.

In this case it was electing a brutha.

The change in skin color from Bush to Obama is the least of their differences.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Whatever....SOMETHING ultimately triggers outrage....there's a lot of hypocrisy in their venom, but there's a lot of pent up disgust with the overall state and direction of the country as well.

They should have formed their movement a decade ago then.

Everything has to start somewhere.

Face it, people like you are going to be pissed and hate anything about the right way to do things. If they had started a decade ago you would bit*h about not starting 15 years ago.

[Skjellyfetti]

we've been going down the slippery slope a while, the fact that people give a crap now is disappointing and a relief

It seems like you only developed your ultra fiscally conservative bent after reading that Ron Paul book a year or so ago. I could be wrong... but, I think I noticed a big shift in your posts after that.

[native]

we've been going down the slippery slope a while, the fact that people give a crap now is disappointing and a relief

It seems like you only developed your ultra fiscally conservative bent after reading that Ron Paul book a year or so ago. I could be wrong... but, I think I noticed a big shift in your posts after that.

Well hell, a year ago was a significant portion of his life. Give him a break!

[native]

They should have formed their movement a decade ago then.

Everything has to start somewhere.

Face it, people like you are going to be pissed and hate anything about the right way to do things. If they had started a decade ago you would bit*h about not starting 15 years ago.

QFT!

[houndawg]

In this case it was electing a brutha.

The change in skin color from Bush to Obama is the least of their differences.

I agree, but I'm not a Tea Party member.

[youngterrier]

we've been going down the slippery slope a while, the fact that people give a crap now is disappointing and a relief

It seems like you only developed your ultra fiscally conservative bent after reading that Ron Paul book a year or so ago. I could be wrong... but, I think I noticed a big shift in your posts after that.

yep but I'm still socially liberal but understand that such issues should be left to the states

[youngterrier]

It seems like you only developed your ultra fiscally conservative bent after reading that Ron Paul book a year or so ago. I could be wrong... but, I think I noticed a big shift in your posts after that.

Well hell, a year ago was a significant portion of his life. Give him a break!

the sad thing is that that's the truth

[Appaholic]

there's a lot of hypocrisy in their venom, but there's a lot of pent up disgust with the overall state and direction of the country as well.

That's what I find disengenuous in their outrage...this idea that all of the problems began with Obama? Really? Because the previous administration didn't begin or continue to perpetuate the bailouts, the removal of civil liberties, warrantless wire-tapping, etc? You know, items that are usually associated as much with a Socialist Regime as universal healthcare (another idea originally floated in the early '90's by the republicans)? Let's just say I question their sincerity.

Perhaps if these "outraged teabaggers" end up voting a majority of third party candidates into office this year, they'll prove me wrong. However, if all they do is express their "outrage" by voting in a candidate from the minority Big 2 party, then I can safely assume that they aren't so much "outraged" with the current state of affairs in our government as much as they are outraged they lost to a black democrat.

[ASUMountaineer]

Of course it's true. Where was the outrage? Where were the protests? You totally disregarded those parts of my posts. I understand why, because it's not advantageous...but, the truth hurts. These people were voted for big-government, big-spending Republicans. Now that it's big-government, big-spending Democrats in power, they're pissed. I am pissed too, but I didn't (finally) find my "outrage" in November 2008.

Your "truth" is an old truth. I did engage your points in the present tense. I hope you are not saying that there is a moral equivalence between Bush and Obama and that, therefore, there should have been an equal reaction to Bush.

The truth of Bush's performance hurts now and it hurt then, but if you are just jumping on the tea party hatred wagon and calling it "truth," you are way off base and I will not be joining you.

Again, where was the outrage over the prescription drug bill, creating the Department of Homeland Security, spending the country into oblivion fighting useless wars? There was no outrage because it was a Republican president and Republican congress. Now, that it's a Democrat president and Democrat congress, they're pissed. That old truth, is still truth--whether you like it or not.

Big government, and big government spending is what these people are "pissed" about...but they weren't pissed about it prior to November 2008. I'm not jumping on a "tea party hatred wagon" (whatever that is), I'm being factual, and would like to hear one tea party person explain why they weren't protesting Bush and Congress. As to a "moral equivalence" I hope you're not trying to justify Bush's big-government, big spending ways. What did I say that is not true?

[Appaholic]

Of course it's true. Where was the outrage? Where were the protests? You totally disregarded those parts of my posts. I understand why, because it's not advantageous...but, the truth hurts. These people were voted for big-government, big-spending Republicans. Now that it's big-government, big-spending Democrats in power, they're pissed. I am pissed too, but I didn't (finally) find my "outrage" in November 2008.

Your "truth" is an old truth. I did engage your points in the present tense. I hope you are not saying that there is a moral equivalence between Bush and Obama and that, therefore, there should have been an equal reaction to Bush.

The truth of Bush's performance hurts now and it hurt then, but if you are just jumping on the tea party hatred wagon and calling it "truth," you are way off base and I will not be joining you.

So....big spending big government is OK as long as it's done by morally superior Bush/Republicans? I don't even know where to start with that one. That statement best reflects the sincerity in "big government outrage" by the typical TeaBagger....hence, my skeptism....