Appaholic wrote:To make an omelet, you've got to crack some eggs. This guy did society a favor. The same women who sought out his services would have used that same judgement when applying some their "parenting" skills. Sure, his method was barbaric, but it was efficient & in line with trying to keep healthcare costs down. There's eight more beds available in the local prison 15 yrs from now thanks to this doctor.
At least one of the pro-choice folks has the guts to stand by their position.
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Yea, I see what you mean. The pro life numbers are growing. The pro abortion numbers are dwindling.
You guys were destined to lose this debate, and that was obvious years ago when your side refused to acknowledge that you are pro abortion. The now failed gambit to call yourselves "pro choice" was in truth a tacit admission of the moral inferiority of your position.
Joe, step outside of your catholic/priests fucking boys world and you'll see that you are wrong. Pro Lifers are violent, loud and obnoxious. Don't confuse that with numbers.
Women are taking over the world and reproductive rights will continue to expand accordingly - they already have and do.
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Col Hogan wrote:Its so easy to support abortions when your parents didn't have one...
That would make a nice bumper sticker, Col...
So would "Appaholic is a shithead"
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Vidav wrote:
What a stupid statement. So you think pro-choice people actually want everyone to get an abortion? That pro-choice means we want an end to all procreation and an end to the human race? Being pro-choice just means you want women to have the right to choose to get a safe, legal abortion if that is what they want.
If another abortion never happened, would I cry? Hell no, not if the reason was all women decided they didn't want them. But I would be upset if the reason was that it was made illegal.
Abortion should be legal, but regulated and controlled. Situations like this guy in Philly are different. He was performing illegal procedures using untrained and unskilled assistants and was endangering the lives of all the women he saw.
The statement "It's easy to support abortions when your parents didn't have one" is also stupid. Perhaps your mom did have an abortion. . .
Just continue indulging your euphemism. If you support abortion rights, you are pro-abortion. Stop deluding yourself. If, on a personal level, you dislike abortion, then have the courage to stand up and say it. To say that you are "pro choice" is a coward's way of avoiding the courage of your conviction.
"Pro choice" is a losing argument. You know that when "pro choicers" resort to calling you stupid. Name-calling is the last resort for the desperate.
I didn't call you stupid, I called your statement stupid. Just as everything you have said here is. I am pro-women having the right to decide abortion is the best option for them and being able to legally and safely get one under certain circumstances. But that is too long to call myself all the time so I think pro-choice works better.
To say abortion should be illegal is a losing argument. Take away the ability to get one legally and you will end up with a lot more "clinics" like this guy ran. Same way prohibition didn't work. People want something they will get it whether you tell them they can or not. So it's best to regulate it and make it as safe as possible.
JoltinJoe wrote:
Just continue indulging your euphemism. If you support abortion rights, you are pro-abortion. Stop deluding yourself. If, on a personal level, you dislike abortion, then have the courage to stand up and say it. To say that you are "pro choice" is a coward's way of avoiding the courage of your conviction.
"Pro choice" is a losing argument. You know that when "pro choicers" resort to calling you stupid. Name-calling is the last resort for the desperate.
I didn't call you stupid, I called your statement stupid. Just as everything you have said here is. I am pro-women having the right to decide abortion is the best option for them and being able to legally and safely get one under certain circumstances. But that is too long to call myself all the time so I think pro-choice works better.
To say abortion should be illegal is a losing argument. Take away the ability to get one legally and you will end up with a lot more "clinics" like this guy ran. Same way prohibition didn't work. People want something they will get it whether you tell them they can or not. So it's best to regulate it and make it as safe as possible.
THIS.
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JoltinJoe wrote:
Just continue indulging your euphemism. If you support abortion rights, you are pro-abortion. Stop deluding yourself. If, on a personal level, you dislike abortion, then have the courage to stand up and say it. To say that you are "pro choice" is a coward's way of avoiding the courage of your conviction.
"Pro choice" is a losing argument. You know that when "pro choicers" resort to calling you stupid. Name-calling is the last resort for the desperate.
I didn't call you stupid, I called your statement stupid. Just as everything you have said here is. I am pro-women having the right to decide abortion is the best option for them and being able to legally and safely get one under certain circumstances. But that is too long to call myself all the time so I think pro-choice works better.
To say abortion should be illegal is a losing argument. Take away the ability to get one legally and you will end up with a lot more "clinics" like this guy ran. Same way prohibition didn't work. People want something they will get it whether you tell them they can or not. So it's best to regulate it and make it as safe as possible.
“It’s like someone found a manic, doom-prophesying hobo in a sandwich board, shaved him, shot him full of Zoloft and gave him a show.” - The Buffalo Beast commenting on Glenn Beck
Vidav wrote:
I didn't call you stupid, I called your statement stupid. Just as everything you have said here is. I am pro-women having the right to decide abortion is the best option for them and being able to legally and safely get one under certain circumstances. But that is too long to call myself all the time so I think pro-choice works better.
To say abortion should be illegal is a losing argument. Take away the ability to get one legally and you will end up with a lot more "clinics" like this guy ran. Same way prohibition didn't work. People want something they will get it whether you tell them they can or not. So it's best to regulate it and make it as safe as possible.
We just need more churches....
Nailed it. Throw up a few mosques while we're at it..
Yea, I see what you mean. The pro life numbers are growing. The pro abortion numbers are dwindling.
You guys were destined to lose this debate, and that was obvious years ago when your side refused to acknowledge that you are pro abortion. The now failed gambit to call yourselves "pro choice" was in truth a tacit admission of the moral inferiority of your position.
Fuck, Joe, just move to Ireland if you're that bent on seeing women oppressed.
JoltinJoe wrote:
Yea, I see what you mean. The pro life numbers are growing. The pro abortion numbers are dwindling.
You guys were destined to lose this debate, and that was obvious years ago when your side refused to acknowledge that you are pro abortion. The now failed gambit to call yourselves "pro choice" was in truth a tacit admission of the moral inferiority of your position.
****, Joe, just move to Ireland if you're that bent on seeing women oppressed.
You know what's funny? The original feminists hated abortion and reasoned (correctly) that abortion was an act of violence, and an easy "out option", foisted upon women by a society indifferent to the physical and emotional needs of pregnant women. They were right.
"There must be a remedy even for such a crying evil as this. But where shall it be found, at least where begin, if not in the complete enfranchisement and elevation of women?" -- Elizabeth Cady Stanton, 1868.
Vidav wrote:To say abortion should be illegal is a losing argument. Take away the ability to get one legally and you will end up with a lot more "clinics" like this guy ran. Same way prohibition didn't work. People want something they will get it whether you tell them they can or not. So it's best to regulate it and make it as safe as possible.
Grizalltheway wrote:
****, Joe, just move to Ireland if you're that bent on seeing women oppressed.
You know what's funny? The original feminists hated abortion and reasoned (correctly) that abortion was an act of violence, and an easy "out option", foisted upon women by a society indifferent to the physical and emotional needs of pregnant women. They were right.
"There must be a remedy even for such a crying evil as this. But where shall it be found, at least where begin, if not in the complete enfranchisement and elevation of women?" -- Elizabeth Cady Stanton, 1868.
If the women are so repulsed by the act, they should change it...as a man, I'll abide by their decision / choice...
“It’s like someone found a manic, doom-prophesying hobo in a sandwich board, shaved him, shot him full of Zoloft and gave him a show.” - The Buffalo Beast commenting on Glenn Beck
Vidav wrote:To say abortion should be illegal is a losing argument. Take away the ability to get one legally and you will end up with a lot more "clinics" like this guy ran. Same way prohibition didn't work. People want something they will get it whether you tell them they can or not. So it's best to regulate it and make it as safe as possible.
Maybe we should just make everything legal.
...or outlaw acts all that do not agree with your religious tenets & punish accordingly...
“It’s like someone found a manic, doom-prophesying hobo in a sandwich board, shaved him, shot him full of Zoloft and gave him a show.” - The Buffalo Beast commenting on Glenn Beck
Vidav wrote:To say abortion should be illegal is a losing argument. Take away the ability to get one legally and you will end up with a lot more "clinics" like this guy ran. Same way prohibition didn't work. People want something they will get it whether you tell them they can or not. So it's best to regulate it and make it as safe as possible.
Maybe we should just make everything legal.
Obviously there are limits. There are certain things that it makes sense to legalize and regulate. Other things just simply shouldn't be done and anyone that does them should get in trouble.
89Hen wrote:
Maybe we should just make everything legal.
...or outlaw acts all that do not agree with your religious tenets & punish accordingly...
Or, we could just outlaw condoms and birth control. Because, you know, then everyone would follow the rhythm method favored by the catholic crime syndicate, I mean church, and no one would ever have abortions again. Right?
Appaholic wrote:
...or outlaw acts all that do not agree with your religious tenets & punish accordingly...
Or, we could just outlaw condoms and birth control. Because, you know, then everyone would follow the rhythm method favored by the catholic crime syndicate, I mean church, and no one would ever have abortions again. Right?
Real trick here is to get them within thy fold, and begin ththeing.
not that I think it's a good reason for abortions but a side effect to the legalizing of abortions is the drops in crime rates in the 1990's through today. Although some see it as a plague on society it looks to have had a positive effect in dropping murder rates and so on.
JoltinJoe wrote:
Yea, I see what you mean. The pro life numbers are growing. The pro abortion numbers are dwindling.
You guys were destined to lose this debate, and that was obvious years ago when your side refused to acknowledge that you are pro abortion. The now failed gambit to call yourselves "pro choice" was in truth a tacit admission of the moral inferiority of your position.
****, Joe, just move to Ireland if you're that bent on seeing women oppressed.
You just want to oppress children...
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Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.
Appaholic wrote:
...or outlaw acts all that do not agree with your religious tenets & punish accordingly...
Or, we could just outlaw condoms and birth control. Because, you know, then everyone would follow the rhythm method favored by the catholic crime syndicate, I mean church, and no one would ever have abortions again. Right?
Hasn't the Catholic Church moved past the rythym method? I'm pretty sure it's been a few decades since they advocated that.
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:not that I think it's a good reason for abortions but a side effect to the legalizing of abortions is the drops in crime rates in the 1990's through today. Although some see it as a plague on society it looks to have had a positive effect in dropping murder rates and so on.
According to my friend, a police chief, the drop in murders, vehicular homicides, etc. is primarily due to the quality of the emergency medical care and EMT response. Also, everyone has a cell phone and dudes are on it faster.
"Sarah Palin absolutely blew AWAY the audience tonight. If there was any doubt as to whether she was savvy enough, tough enough or smart enough to carry the mantle of Vice President, she put those fears to rest tonight. She took on Barack Obama DIRECTLY on every issue and exposed... She did it with warmth and humor, and came across as the every-person....it's becoming mroe and more clear that she was a genius pick for McCain."
JoltinJoe wrote:
You know what's funny? The original feminists hated abortion and reasoned (correctly) that abortion was an act of violence, and an easy "out option", foisted upon women by a society indifferent to the physical and emotional needs of pregnant women. They were right.
"There must be a remedy even for such a crying evil as this. But where shall it be found, at least where begin, if not in the complete enfranchisement and elevation of women?" -- Elizabeth Cady Stanton, 1868.
If the women are so repulsed by the act, they should change it...as a man, I'll abide by their decision / choice...
Welcome back Appaholic. Great reply. I love you.
"Sarah Palin absolutely blew AWAY the audience tonight. If there was any doubt as to whether she was savvy enough, tough enough or smart enough to carry the mantle of Vice President, she put those fears to rest tonight. She took on Barack Obama DIRECTLY on every issue and exposed... She did it with warmth and humor, and came across as the every-person....it's becoming mroe and more clear that she was a genius pick for McCain."
Grizalltheway wrote:
****, Joe, just move to Ireland if you're that bent on seeing women oppressed.
You know what's funny? The original feminists hated abortion and reasoned (correctly) that abortion was an act of violence, and an easy "out option", foisted upon women by a society indifferent to the physical and emotional needs of pregnant women. They were right.
"There must be a remedy even for such a crying evil as this. But where shall it be found, at least where begin, if not in the complete enfranchisement and elevation of women?" -- Elizabeth Cady Stanton, 1868.
Women couldn't even vote in 1868. It's a different, and far less brutal world for women.
"Sarah Palin absolutely blew AWAY the audience tonight. If there was any doubt as to whether she was savvy enough, tough enough or smart enough to carry the mantle of Vice President, she put those fears to rest tonight. She took on Barack Obama DIRECTLY on every issue and exposed... She did it with warmth and humor, and came across as the every-person....it's becoming mroe and more clear that she was a genius pick for McCain."
Vidav wrote:
I didn't call you stupid, I called your statement stupid. Just as everything you have said here is. I am pro-women having the right to decide abortion is the best option for them and being able to legally and safely get one under certain circumstances. But that is too long to call myself all the time so I think pro-choice works better.
To say abortion should be illegal is a losing argument. Take away the ability to get one legally and you will end up with a lot more "clinics" like this guy ran. Same way prohibition didn't work. People want something they will get it whether you tell them they can or not. So it's best to regulate it and make it as safe as possible.
Sooooooooooooo not true.
If you stop abortions from being legal they will just stop.........the same way more gun laws will stop criminals from owning guns. Its D1B logic its very very simple.
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It's a different, and far less brutal world for women. 
