Slay the Sea Shepherds

[grizzaholic]

Fvck a bunch of whales. Everything goes extinct eventually.

Never thought I would see the day.




I agree.

[houndawg]

Fvck a bunch of whales. Everything goes extinct eventually.

That's true. I'd expect that way more than 99% of all species that have existed on Earth are now extinct and just did a quick Google search that yielded results consistent with that expectation. For some reason today's culture is afflicted by what I call a "preservationist" mentality. There's this idea that the world econsystem and all of that system's sub ecosystems are "in balance" and that if we change something about one there's this big potential for disaster because things have been thrown out of this delicate balance.

I don't think that's true. There is no static ecosystem that is in some fixed balance. Everything is in a continual state of change. New species appear and are a factor in older species going extinct. Climate changes whether humans are here or not. For instance: If the scinetific community is correct life on Earth is somewhere around 75% through its tenure on the planet because within about a billion years increasing radiant energy from the Sun will raise the temperature of the planet to a point at which liquid water cannot exist on the surface.

If the scientific community is correct there have also been great extinction events such that most of the species on the planet disappeared almost instantaneously in the context of geological time. There is no "moral" imperative to maintain the planetary ecosystem in any particular state or to preserve any particular species or set of species.

Some species and sets of species are important to our own survival. Oceanic phyoplankton, for example, fit that bill. But if whales go extinct we as a species almost certainly would hardly be affected at all. If we didn't know they existed already things in our day to day lives would not even indicate to us that anything had happened unless our day to day lives had something to do with them (like whalers or scientists studying them). Life would go on. It would have no more impact on us than the disappearances of the passenger pigeon and the dodo bird.

Don't get me wrong, I like whales. I think they're cool. But it's not the end of the world if they go extinct and I'm not going to harrass people who want to harvest them in international waters then eat them.

Well, John, all that may be true, but if you can look at something like a whale, or a redwood, and not care if they're eliminated by the hand of man, for somebody's personal profit, you're a worthless piece of shit.

[travelinman67]

That's true. I'd expect that way more than 99% of all species that have existed on Earth are now extinct and just did a quick Google search that yielded results consistent with that expectation. For some reason today's culture is afflicted by what I call a "preservationist" mentality. There's this idea that the world econsystem and all of that system's sub ecosystems are "in balance" and that if we change something about one there's this big potential for disaster because things have been thrown out of this delicate balance.

I don't think that's true. There is no static ecosystem that is in some fixed balance. Everything is in a continual state of change. New species appear and are a factor in older species going extinct. Climate changes whether humans are here or not. For instance: If the scinetific community is correct life on Earth is somewhere around 75% through its tenure on the planet because within about a billion years increasing radiant energy from the Sun will raise the temperature of the planet to a point at which liquid water cannot exist on the surface.

If the scientific community is correct there have also been great extinction events such that most of the species on the planet disappeared almost instantaneously in the context of geological time. There is no "moral" imperative to maintain the planetary ecosystem in any particular state or to preserve any particular species or set of species.

Some species and sets of species are important to our own survival. Oceanic phyoplankton, for example, fit that bill. But if whales go extinct we as a species almost certainly would hardly be affected at all. If we didn't know they existed already things in our day to day lives would not even indicate to us that anything had happened unless our day to day lives had something to do with them (like whalers or scientists studying them). Life would go on. It would have no more impact on us than the disappearances of the passenger pigeon and the dodo bird.

Don't get me wrong, I like whales. I think they're cool. But it's not the end of the world if they go extinct and I'm not going to harrass people who want to harvest them in international waters then eat them.

Well, John, all that may be true, but if you can look at something like a whale, or a redwood, and not care if they're eliminated by the hand of man, for somebody's personal profit, you're a worthless piece of shit.

Glad to see you're a defender of whale, redwoods, and other tree-hugger icons beloved by your music fans.

Gotta protect your income, ya know.

[houndawg]

Well, John, all that may be true, but if you can look at something like a whale, or a redwood, and not care if they're eliminated by the hand of man, for somebody's personal profit, you're a worthless piece of ****.

Glad to see you're a defender of whale, redwoods, and other tree-hugger icons beloved by your music fans.

Gotta protect your income, ya know.

I am, in spite of the fact it means nothing in the long run. If it means nothing to somebody that some of the remaining .5% of redwoods were saplings during the Roman Empire, then the gulf is just too wide to communicate across.

[houndawg]

Super. Nice to see you've got me pegged...

You're the one who claims you're exactly the same person outside of this place.

Ooooooooooh......... I think he got ya there, 'Z.......

[AZGrizFan]

You're the one who claims you're exactly the same person outside of this place.

Ooooooooooh......... I think he got ya there, 'Z.......

you have absolutely no concern at all for the animals and plants of our planet. You also adhere to Darwinist morality based on selfishness, greed, villification of the poor and oppressed, and overconsumption.

Except the guy he described isn't me, nor is it the "personna" I've put forth on this website. It's D's twisted, sick, fucked-up version of anybody who has the unmitigated gall to disagree with anything he posts.

Big difference.

[D1B]

Ooooooooooh......... I think he got ya there, 'Z.......

you have absolutely no concern at all for the animals and plants of our planet. You also adhere to Darwinist morality based on selfishness, greed, villification of the poor and oppressed, and overconsumption.

Except the guy he described isn't me, nor is it the "personna" I've put forth on this website. It's D's twisted, sick, fucked-up version of anybody who has the unmitigated gall to disagree with anything he posts.

Sure.

Big difference.

[AZGrizFan]

Except the guy he described isn't me, nor is it the "personna" I've put forth on this website. It's D's twisted, sick, fucked-up version of anybody who has the unmitigated gall to disagree with anything he posts.

Sure.

Big difference.

Positive.