The nub of the climate change thing problem

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[AZGrizFan]

You seem a mite peevish today, SQUID, did your deep anal visitor not show up last night?

A little late, yet right on time

Who? Houndawg? Or your visitor?

[kalm]

I agree. It's hard for people to remove emotion in certain scientific pursuits.

And apparently it's even harder for some people to differentiate between "little to no effect" and the alarmist, catastrophic crap being foisted upon us by our government that's only doing what it does best: preying upon human fears to expand it's reach and control of your pocketbook.

Sure.

All I know is there are folks much smarter than me studying the issue and it's damn hard to find a scientist or scientific organization not funded by energy companies to deny the threat and our influence on it.

On a side note, we are having wasp troubles in April when they typically show up in late July. Anecdotal for sure...but still...

[AZGrizFan]

And apparently it's even harder for some people to differentiate between "little to no effect" and the alarmist, catastrophic crap being foisted upon us by our government that's only doing what it does best: preying upon human fears to expand it's reach and control of your pocketbook.

Sure.

All I know is there are folks much smarter than me studying the issue and it's damn hard to find a scientist or scientific organization not funded by energy companies to deny the threat and our influence on it.

On a side note, we are having wasp troubles in April when they typically show up in late July. Anecdotal for sure...but still...

Again, remember when they said sea levels were going to rise 20 feet?

1981, ICE CAP MELTING FORECAST

Institute for Space Studies, NYC: Rising carbondioxide levels in the atmosphere could bring a global warming of unprecedented magnitudemelting the polar icecaps and flooding lowlands in the next century. The temperature risecould be 4.5 to 8 F depending on the growth in fossil fuel consumption. A doubling of CO2will cause a temperature rise of 6 F. The West Antarctic Ice Sheet is vulnerable to rapiddisintegration and melting. A global mean temperature rise of 3.6 F could cause a rise of 9F at Antarctica melting the Ice Sheet and raising sea levels by 15 to 20 feet and flooding25% of Florida and Louisiana within a span of 100 years or less.

And now?

On the coast of North Carolina and at other so-called "hotspots" along the U.S. East Coast, sea levels are rising about three times more quickly on average than they are globally, researchers reported during a session devoted to sea level rise.

That's the fastest rise in the world.

"What we're seeing here is unique," said Asbury Sallenger, an oceanographer at the U.S. Geological Survey in St. Petersburg, Fla.

And this rise is accelerating, said Tal Ezer, a researcher at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Va.

His colleague, Larry Atkinson, said computer models suggest that if this acceleration continues at the same pace, the rise along the East Coast — from North Carolina to Massachusetts — could be 5.3 feet (1.6 meters) by 2100.

Sea levels on this stretch of land have climbed as much as 1.5 inches (3.7 centimeters) per decade since 1980, while globally they've risen up to 0.4 inches (1.0 cm) per decade, according to a study by Sallenger published in June.

That is a model that is FOUR ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE off. THAT's the "catastrophic" predictions that I"m talking about. And I'm not real good with numbers, but I fail to see how a sea level that rises 1.5 inches per DECADE can go up 5.3 FEET in 10 decades. 1.5" x 10 = 15 INCHES which is a long fucking ways from 5.3 feet.

But that's global warming math.

[Chizzang]

Here is my problem with the climate change proclaimers. I think the idea of excessive CO2 in the atmosphere warming the climate makes absolute sense. But the largest pushers of the issue are their own worse enemies and it makes it difficult to take them serious. You can't predict calamity in the next five to ten years every year. After about 20 years it starts seeming laughable. You can't pretend that you are saving the world while profiting immensely from your efforts. You can't constantly ignore they fact that the models don't work in the shorter term (10,20 years) while proclaiming your absolute certainty that your models are correct. and last but not least you can't be the loudest voice in the climate change debate while living in a 10,000 square foot house, riding in limos and flying in private planes and saying it's ok I buy carbon offsets

This ^ is spot on buddy
And as a Liberal and a guy who fancies himself knowledgeable on this topic - I still find it difficult to take my "feelings" too seriously... and so I'm left with just the data and that is mostly meaningless information in the light of eons

[BlueHen86]

I think it's pretty ridiculous to assume all of the chemicals and pollutants humans put into the environment aren't going to have some sort of adverse effect.

It's called the cycle of life, young grashopper....

If every human on the earth dropped dead tomorrow, in just a few short centuries (or less), you would hardly be able to tell we were ever here.

Well, if we're not going to worry about the climate today; why worry about the nations budget today? We're all going to be dead soon and it's not like we're going to have to pay it off in our lifetime.

[Chizzang]

Well, if we're not going to worry about the climate today; why worry about the nations budget today? We're all going to be dead soon and it's not like we're going to have to pay it off in our lifetime.

yes.. ^ on all of the above

[CID1990]

A little late, yet right on time

Who? Houndawg? Or your visitor?

I think he was referring to a reference I made to being removed from the DAV candidates' list by Felchy.

He's just recycling my own material

Unless someone wants to link to a thread where somebody else used Deep Anal Visit before I did

D1B and Cap'n don't count

[kalm]

Will and Krauthammer on the report.

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[houndawg]

Who? Houndawg? Or your visitor?

I think he was referring to a reference I made to being removed from the DAV candidates' list by Felchy.

He's just recycling my own material

Unless someone wants to link to a thread where somebody else used Deep Anal Visit before I did

D1B and Cap'n don't count

You didn't answer his question.

[houndawg]

Sure.

All I know is there are folks much smarter than me studying the issue and it's damn hard to find a scientist or scientific organization not funded by energy companies to deny the threat and our influence on it.

On a side note, we are having wasp troubles in April when they typically show up in late July. Anecdotal for sure...but still...

Again, remember when they said sea levels were going to rise 20 feet?

1981, ICE CAP MELTING FORECAST

Institute for Space Studies, NYC: Rising carbondioxide levels in the atmosphere could bring a global warming of unprecedented magnitudemelting the polar icecaps and flooding lowlands in the next century. The temperature risecould be 4.5 to 8 F depending on the growth in fossil fuel consumption. A doubling of CO2will cause a temperature rise of 6 F. The West Antarctic Ice Sheet is vulnerable to rapiddisintegration and melting. A global mean temperature rise of 3.6 F could cause a rise of 9F at Antarctica melting the Ice Sheet and raising sea levels by 15 to 20 feet and flooding25% of Florida and Louisiana within a span of 100 years or less.

And now?

On the coast of North Carolina and at other so-called "hotspots" along the U.S. East Coast, sea levels are rising about three times more quickly on average than they are globally, researchers reported during a session devoted to sea level rise.

That's the fastest rise in the world.

"What we're seeing here is unique," said Asbury Sallenger, an oceanographer at the U.S. Geological Survey in St. Petersburg, Fla.

And this rise is accelerating, said Tal Ezer, a researcher at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Va.

His colleague, Larry Atkinson, said computer models suggest that if this acceleration continues at the same pace, the rise along the East Coast — from North Carolina to Massachusetts — could be 5.3 feet (1.6 meters) by 2100.

Sea levels on this stretch of land have climbed as much as 1.5 inches (3.7 centimeters) per decade since 1980, while globally they've risen up to 0.4 inches (1.0 cm) per decade, according to a study by Sallenger published in June.

That is a model that is FOUR ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE off. THAT's the "catastrophic" predictions that I"m talking about. And I'm not real good with numbers, but I fail to see how a sea level that rises 1.5 inches per DECADE can go up 5.3 FEET in 10 decades. 1.5" x 10 = 15 INCHES which is a long **** ways from 5.3 feet.

But that's global warming math.

It is also nowhere near four orders of magnitude. You probably meant to say "four times as much". And the models today are probably at least four times better than they were in '81.

Want to by some waterfront property in the Maldives?

[travelinman67]

Global Warming's...

"Michael Mann is a liar and a cheat"...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... es-why.php

Data falsified, erased, fabricated.

Anyone wanna bet what party he's registered with?

[D1B]

Global Warming's...

"Michael Mann is a liar and a cheat"...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... es-why.php

Data falsified, erased, fabricated.

Anyone wanna bet what party he's registered with?

Tman, why don't you accept my friend request on Facebook?

[travelinman67]

Global Warming's...

"Michael Mann is a liar and a cheat"...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... es-why.php

Data falsified, erased, fabricated.

Anyone wanna bet what party he's registered with?

Tman, why don't you accept my friend request on Facebook?

Dunno...

...do I have a Facebook account?

What's my status?

[89Hen]

I have an outing next Friday. Forecast right now is 71, partly cloudy with a 10% chance of rain. Let's see what it turns out. I can't lose either way.

Friday forecast now 65 with T-Showers, chance of rain 60%. So we've gone from a great day on the course, to shit. Hopefully will change again.

[LeadBolt]

There is something that I'm surprised we haven't seen both sides of the political spectrum and climate change debate jump on.

With the combining of two old drilling technologies into what is now referred to as "frac-ing" the US is producing more petroleum products than it has in some time. The proportion of natural gas to oil is much higher than it has been in the recent past. Much of this natural gas is being "flared" or burned off at the well head. While natural gas burns cleaner than oil, it is being burned for no benefit and still putting hydrocarbons into the atmosphere.

There are companies trying to build pipelines and permit LNG facilities for the export of natural gas. These companies are running into an average projected environmental impact study and permitting process of 4-5 years.

With Putin using the threat of cutting off exports of natural gas to Europe to re-establish the USSR, it would seem prudent to fast track the process and promise the start of natural gas exports to Europe. This might actually cause the burning of natural gas to decrease by the reduction in flaring and help to stabilize the political environment surrounding Russia and their aggressive expansion plans.

[Baldy]

There is something that I'm surprised we haven't seen both sides of the political spectrum and climate change debate jump on.

With the combining of two old drilling technologies into what is now referred to as "frac-ing" the US is producing more petroleum products than it has in some time. The proportion of natural gas to oil is much higher than it has been in the recent past. Much of this natural gas is being "flared" or burned off at the well head. While natural gas burns cleaner than oil, it is being burned for no benefit and still putting hydrocarbons into the atmosphere.

There are companies trying to build pipelines and permit LNG facilities for the export of natural gas. These companies are running into an average projected environmental impact study and permitting process of 4-5 years.

With Putin using the threat of cutting off exports of natural gas to Europe to re-establish the USSR, it would seem prudent to fast track the process and promise the start of natural gas exports to Europe. This might actually cause the burning of natural gas to decrease by the reduction in flaring and help to stabilize the political environment surrounding Russia and their aggressive expansion plans.

Oh hush.

You're making too much sense. We can't have that.

[LeadBolt]

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Oh hush.

You're making too much sense. We can't have that. [/quote]

Sorry, I lost my head there for a second. I must go back to quoting the mantra: "endless government review of private initiatives protects us, endless government review of private initiatives protects us, endless government review of private initiatives protects us"

[kalm]

Global Warming's...

"Michael Mann is a liar and a cheat"...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... es-why.php

Data falsified, erased, fabricated.

Anyone wanna bet what party he's registered with?

I thought Mann was vindicated by multiple independent investigations in the East Anglia controversy and that the Hockey Stick had been supported by other studies.

[Ibanez]

I have an outing next Friday. Forecast right now is 71, partly cloudy with a 10% chance of rain. Let's see what it turns out. I can't lose either way.

Friday forecast now 65 with T-Showers, chance of rain 60%. So we've gone from a great day on the course, to shit. Hopefully will change again.

Saturday Morning in DC: Nice and cool. Expect a 70% chance of rain at 12.
Saturday, Noon in DC: Nice and cool. Expect a 30% Chance of rain at 2.
Saturday, 4 PM in DC: Nice and cool (and dry). 0% Chance of rain the rest of the day.
Saturday, 6 PM in DC: Rain.and more rain.

I blame the "urban heat."

[travelinman67]

Global Warming's...

"Michael Mann is a liar and a cheat"...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... es-why.php

Data falsified, erased, fabricated.

Anyone wanna bet what party he's registered with?

I thought Mann was vindicated by multiple independent investigations in the East Anglia controversy and that the Hockey Stick had been supported by other studies.

It's called "spin". Try sources other than Huffpo.

Anthony Watts,.though a skeptic, is good at posting thorough, complete studies with methodology, data and analysis, NOT summaries and spin.
The Hockey Stick was discarded several years ago after IPCC assessment no. 4.

[YoUDeeMan]

I have an outing next Friday. Forecast right now is 71, partly cloudy with a 10% chance of rain. Let's see what it turns out. I can't lose either way.

Friday forecast now 65 with T-Showers, chance of rain 60%. So we've gone from a great day on the course, to shit. Hopefully will change again.

No, no. Ignore that one...that doesn't count...no mulligans. The other one's correct.

NOAA. AccuWeather. All of them.

[89Hen]

I have an outing next Friday. Forecast right now is 71, partly cloudy with a 10% chance of rain. Let's see what it turns out. I can't lose either way.

Friday forecast now 65 with T-Showers, chance of rain 60%. So we've gone from a great day on the course, to shit. Hopefully will change again.

Deteriorating by the minute. Now 64, rain and thunder, chance of rain 70% with the added "potential for heavy rainfall" in bold letters.

[kalm]

I thought Mann was vindicated by multiple independent investigations in the East Anglia controversy and that the Hockey Stick had been supported by other studies.

It's called "spin". Try sources other than Huffpo.

Anthony Watts,.though a skeptic, is good at posting thorough, complete studies with methodology, data and analysis, NOT summaries and spin.
The Hockey Stick was discarded several years ago after IPCC assessment no. 4.

Hey man, feel free to post your unbiased sources….

[travelinman67]

It's called "spin". Try sources other than Huffpo.

Anthony Watts,.though a skeptic, is good at posting thorough, complete studies with methodology, data and analysis, NOT summaries and spin.
The Hockey Stick was discarded several years ago after IPCC assessment no. 4.

Hey man, feel free to post your unbiased sources….

If I take the time to look them up and post them, will you read them and accept them?

No, you won't.

So, I won't.

Stop wasting my time.