The Planned Parenthood video...

[D1B]

Catholic science? Nah, gonna pass on that.

Science doesn't involve religion, stop trying to tie the two together. Face it, you're own personal, biased views based on a pre-conceived notion of the world is inhibiting your ability to objectively and truthfully accept the scientific facts at hand. Ergo, you are a science denier.

There's no scientific consensus and you know it. Birth is the threshold.

Nexxxxxt

[D1B]

Why would anyone be upset at a person selling the body parts of a fetus?

Heck, if those parts are used to help someone else live, there should be no problem. We sell and/or donate body parts of live people and dead people all the time.

Throughout history, we've always decided, and always will decide, who (and what) lived and died.

That's life.

So you're ok with late term, elective abortions of fetuses with fully developed organs?

(I think you are being intentionally ironic)

Who gets late term abortions!

[D1B]

Y'all realize this video is fabricated, right? James O'keefe / Acorn style?

Fabricated how? Was she scripted?
My thoughts on this, once you get past braining a unborn baby why the fuck not harvest the organs? It's like people are being overly dramatic that dead baby parts are being sold but not the killing of one.

It's a scam, you fucking moron.

Smfh

[D1B]

Anything, Hen?

Makes one wonder what a surreal existence it must be for a fetus in heaven.

That's a clown question bro.

Nice dodge.

a spontaneously aborted fetus goes straight to heaven, even though it did not accept Jesus Christ as its savior (like the millions of people, including our primate ancestors who predate Christ). Which means atheist's and murderer- created fetuses go to heaven too. What's next?

If an alternate world with a near identical civilization and history is not there to intellectually, culturally, etc. develop the fetus, then what does it? Does Jesus just magically imprint a script/bio into a fetus?

What do you think?

[D1B]

Heavily edited to be completely misleading.

Doesn't really matter though Jelly. It brought forth a question that put pro-choice people in a really awkward place. The question is still valid.

It's a scam and you know it.

[D1B]

The short video was edited in a misleading way (must have been taking lessons from NBC)

but the full video is not exculpatory

they harvest fetal organs and the charge for the cost of the service

maybe the organs will help cure cancer or whatever

but there is a huge market for fetal organs and not just in the realm of science - and if PP is taking in tax dollars then they have to be 100% transparent about their operation

but again - this is the kind of discussion you have after you have already decided that inducing labor on a 30 week old fetus and then crushing its skull (still inside the woman so it isnt murder) is perfectly OK

You are right. The full video is hardly exculpatory. It was bad enough. There was no need to edit it to make it appear even worse.

But Brainless Sky got the Media Matters talking points and he's on a roll.

The Great Defender of Pedophile Priests says it's valid.

[D1B]

I expect to see a lot of misdirection out of the pro abortion crowd on this one

It is a lot easier to moan about video editing than it is to justify elective late term abortion - it gives them something to defend

BTW has anyone seen the going rate for fetal liver cells lately? It used to be a couple hundred bucks for a whole liver - now you can get up around 15000 dollars for just a large cell culture

Lotta money there - I wonder if PP isn't gently encouraging women to wait until the fetuses are more developed before aborting?

Good times

Aren't you suppsed to be on a bird? I just ran into your FIL at lunch, and blew him

Fify

[CID1990]

So you're ok with late term, elective abortions of fetuses with fully developed organs?

(I think you are being intentionally ironic)

Who gets late term abortions!

D - since you're into science and all-

tissue harvesting generally isnt useful until about 10-15 weeks of gestation

whole organ harvesting becomes viable after about 20 weeks, but the organs are more useful the mire developed they are - after 22-24 weeks is optimal... and even later is better

what do you think the woman is talking about when she says "crush above and crush below"? They also do this after inducing a breech delivery. Why dont they just take the fetus all the way out to avoid any chance of injury to the mother?

I know you're mostly trolling, but you're off the reservation to suggest that elective late term abortions aren't occurring

[D1B]

Who gets late term abortions!

D - since you're into science and all-

tissue harvesting generally isnt useful until about 10-15 weeks of gestation

whole organ harvesting becomes viable after about 20 weeks, but the organs are more useful the mire developed they are - after 22-24 weeks is optimal... and even later is better

what do you think the woman is talking about when she says "crush above and crush below"? They also do this after inducing a breech delivery. Why dont they just take the fetus all the way out to avoid any chance of injury to the mother?

I know you're mostly trolling, but you're off the reservation to suggest that elective late term abortions aren't occurring

CAD, since you're really into late term abortions, answer my question.

[CID1990]

D - since you're into science and all-

tissue harvesting generally isnt useful until about 10-15 weeks of gestation

whole organ harvesting becomes viable after about 20 weeks, but the organs are more useful the mire developed they are - after 22-24 weeks is optimal... and even later is better

what do you think the woman is talking about when she says "crush above and crush below"? They also do this after inducing a breech delivery. Why dont they just take the fetus all the way out to avoid any chance of injury to the mother?

I know you're mostly trolling, but you're off the reservation to suggest that elective late term abortions aren't occurring

CAD, since you're really into late term abortions, answer my question.

I dont see a question.

I see something followed by an exclamation point

[Skjellyfetti]

I certainly agree that elective late term abortions should be illegal. It doesn't seem like there's anything in the video (or the transcript of the unedited interview) about the abortions in question being elective. Nonetheless...

Aren't they illegal in most states?

The circumstances under which later abortions are permitted vary from state to state.
26 states permit later abortions to preserve the life or health of the woman.
13 states unconstitutionally ban later abortions, except those performed to save the life or physical
health of the woman.
4 states unconstitutionally limit later abortions to those performed to save the life of the woman

http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/s ... b_PLTA.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, with a few exceptions (looks like 4 states aren't included in these categories) late term abortions, except to preserve the health of the woman, are illegal.

I'm certainly on board with making it illegal in these remaining 4 states... but, y'all promise not to cry about "states rights" to institute a federal ban?

[Vidav]

Conk Catholics only care about fetuses.

Actually history is on the side of pro choicers. As women continue their rapid advancement in all spheres of civilization, the right to choose gets stronger. They've had some hiccups of late but that's mainly due to the cynical machinations of old white religious conk politicians who have nothing else to offer.

****, you have no dog in this fight. Women are making the rules.

There's never been a debate on whether a fetus is a human being, of course it is.

[CID1990]

I certainly agree that elective late term abortions should be illegal. It doesn't seem like there's anything in the video (or the transcript of the unedited interview) about the abortions in question being elective. Nonetheless...

Aren't they illegal in most states?

The circumstances under which later abortions are permitted vary from state to state.
26 states permit later abortions to preserve the life or health of the woman.
13 states unconstitutionally ban later abortions, except those performed to save the life or physical
health of the woman.
4 states unconstitutionally limit later abortions to those performed to save the life of the woman

http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/s ... b_PLTA.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, with a few exceptions (looks like 4 states aren't included in these categories) late term abortions, except to preserve the health of the woman, are illegal.

I'm certainly on board with making it illegal in these remaining 4 states... but, y'all promise not to cry about "states rights" to institute a federal ban?

It should be a state matter across the board.

I don't believe that the Federal government ever should have gotten involved (via the SCOTUS saying that the Constitution guarantees the right).
So now it falls to the Federal government to regulate it for better or worse

[JoltinJoe]

There's never been a debate on whether a fetus is a human being, of course it is.

Say what you will, but it is human flesh and that flesh is living, which is why the organs have value.

Again, there was no need to edit this video. The reason this video is resonating is because it gives lie to the assertion told to so many women that "it's just a bunch of cells" -- and many people are finally recognizing the truth of what these procedures entail.

[89Hen]

I certainly agree that elective late term abortions should be illegal.

Must be nice to know the moment a baby becomes a baby.

[SeattleGriz]

Hen, do fetuses go to heaven?

Yes.

[D1B]

Say what you will, but it is human flesh and that flesh is living, which is why the organs have value.

Again, there was no need to edit this video. The reason this video is resonating is because it gives lie to the assertion told to so many women that "it's just a bunch of cells" -- and many people are finally recognizing the truth of what these procedures entail.

Nope, it's practically a dead issue. The only people who care are the whack job pro lifers and idiot Catholics.

[D1B]

Hen, do fetuses go to heaven?

Yes.

What happens to em?

[D1B]

Say what you will, but it is human flesh and that flesh is living, which is why the organs have value.

Again, there was no need to edit this video. The reason this video is resonating is because it gives lie to the assertion told to so many women that "it's just a bunch of cells" -- and many people are finally recognizing the truth of what these procedures entail.

Threshold is birth. Rights of the mother are primary.

[travelinman67]

Murder for hire...

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ody-parts/

Second video appears...Los Angeles Planned Parenthood President haggling over fetal tissue price...

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=MjCs_gvImyw[/youtube]

[travelinman67]

Lifenews
Gatter also admits that in prior fetal tissue deals, Planned Parenthood received payment in spite of incurring no cost: “It was logistically very easy for us, we didn’t have to do anything. So there was compensation for this.” She accepts a higher price of $100 per specimen understanding that it will be only for high-quality fetal organs: “Now, this is for tissue that you actually take, not just tissue that someone volunteers and you can’t find anything, right?”
By the lunch’s end, Gatter suggests $100 per specimen is not enough and concludes, “Let me just figure out what others are getting, and if this is in the ballpark, then it’s fine, if it’s still low, then we can bump it up. I want a Lamborghini.”
Gatter also suggests modifying the abortion procedure to get more intact fetuses: “I wouldn’t object to asking Ian, who’s our surgeon who does the cases, to use an IPAS [manual vacuum aspirator] at that gestational age in order to increase the odds that he’s going to get an intact specimen.”
Gatter seems aware this violates rules governing tissue collection, but disregards them: “To me, that’s kind of a specious little argument.” Federal law requires that no alteration in the timing or method of abortion be done for the purposes of fetal tissue collection (42 U.S.C. 289g-1).

[JoltinJoe]

Mengeles.

[JoltinJoe]

I certainly agree that elective late term abortions should be illegal.

Must be nice to know the moment a baby becomes a baby.

Yup.

Now if he could get a job, things would be perfect.

[D1B]

Must be nice to know the moment a baby becomes a baby.

Yup.

Now if he could get a job, things would be perfect.

Must be nice to know the moment a baby becomes a baby.

Yup.

Now if he could get a job, things would be perfect.

No scientific consensus.

Rights of the mother are primary.

[89Hen]

No scientific consensus.

Rights of the mother are primary.

Nope. Rights of the one being killed trump.