I'm with Carson

[YoUDeeMan]

Dback can't look at anyone with a straight face.

[CID1990]

There's a fundamental ignorance of the 10th Amendment in this forum, not to mention at large as well

[DSUrocks07]

Man those statements sound nasty. Are those CAIR's official positions? When do I have to start turning toward Mecca?

CAIR's official position is to make sure the left stays sound asleep

They're following the standard playbook to keep their blind support.

1) be a minority
2) cry racism
3) ??????
4) PROFIT!!!

[LeadBolt]

There's a fundamental ignorance of the 10th Amendment in this forum, not to mention at large as well

The 10th may be the most ignored Amendment in the Constitution. Since 1865 it has been almost totally ignored.

[kalm]

Man those statements sound nasty. Are those CAIR's official positions? When do I have to start turning toward Mecca?

CAIR's official position is to make sure the left stays sound asleep

Wow! Really? They must have a pretty big following on the left then.

[JohnStOnge]

Just when I was thinking Carson has gonads he's backing off and obviously trying to pretend he didn't say what he said. He's talking about "context." Bullshit. He should have stood his ground. There's a damned good case to be made for the position he took and he should have made it.

It has nothing to do with the Constitutional stipulation that "...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." He didn't say a Msulim shouldn't be qualified to run for the office. The point is that we can vote as thinking people, see that Islam is both a religion and a political system, and not VOTE to put a Muslim into that position.

The reason is simple: A tenant of Islam is that there is no distinction between secular law and Islamic Law. Islamic Law rules. If somebody is following Islam they believe the Constitution should be eliminated and replaced with Islamic law. Or at the very least there is a serious risk of that.

Another thing is that Islam teaches that it's OK to lie to infidels in order to gain advantage (http://muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the- ... -bri.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). So if you have a Muslim running for President and he says he does NOT believe Islamic Law should supplant the Constitution you are a fool if you assume he's telling the truth.

So there's no way out. If you vote for a Muslim for President you are either totally unaware of what Islam is or you are a fool. And Carson should be willing to go ahead and say that because it is the truth.

[Chizzang]

Just when I was thinking Carson has gonads he's backing off and obviously trying to pretend he didn't say what he said. He's talking about "context." Bullshit. He should have stood his ground. There's a damned good case to be made for the position he took and he should have made it.

It has nothing to do with the Constitutional stipulation that "...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." He didn't say a Msulim shouldn't be qualified to run for the office. The point is that we can vote as thinking people, see that Islam is both a religion and a political system, and not VOTE to put a Muslim into that position.

The reason is simple: A tenant of Islam is that there is no distinction between secular law and Islamic Law. Islamic Law rules. If somebody is following Islam they believe the Constitution should be eliminated and replaced with Islamic law. Or at the very least there is a serious risk of that.

Another thing is that Islam teaches that it's OK to lie to infidels in order to gain advantage (http://muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the- ... -bri.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). So if you have a Muslim running for President and he says he does NOT believe Islamic Law should supplant the Constitution you are a fool if you assume he's telling the truth.

So there's no way out. If you vote for a Muslim for President you are either totally unaware of what Islam is or you are a fool. And Carson should be willing to go ahead and say that because it is the truth.

Note to John: He's a politician - they aren't men - they're sniveling buckets of jello



Why do you think Trumpster is getting so much traction..?
He doesn't act much like a suck-up back sliding low life politician

[LeadBolt]

What's MORE disturbing than these comments is that they are universally IGNORED by the left
When they should be key talking points and areas of intense discussion

There is no separation of Islam and State by the very definition of the religious text

Man those statements sound nasty. Are those CAIR's official positions? When do I have to start turning toward Mecca?

Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

[CID1990]

I don't disagree with Carson- in the respect that I don't think anyone who believes their religious laws supercede the Constitution. There SHOULD be a litmus test... do you believe that the Constitution should take a back seat to your religious laws?

At the same time, Carson and the rest of the gang should also answer this simple question.

I get what he is saying, though- there is a not completely unfounded perception that a good number of Muslims believe that sharia law does in fact trump the laws of nations

[YoUDeeMan]

Just when I was thinking Carson has gonads he's backing off and obviously trying to pretend he didn't say what he said. He's talking about "context." Bullshit. He should have stood his ground. There's a damned good case to be made for the position he took and he should have made it.

It has nothing to do with the Constitutional stipulation that "...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." He didn't say a Msulim shouldn't be qualified to run for the office. The point is that we can vote as thinking people, see that Islam is both a religion and a political system, and not VOTE to put a Muslim into that position.

The reason is simple: A tenant of Islam is that there is no distinction between secular law and Islamic Law. Islamic Law rules. If somebody is following Islam they believe the Constitution should be eliminated and replaced with Islamic law. Or at the very least there is a serious risk of that.

Another thing is that Islam teaches that it's OK to lie to infidels in order to gain advantage (http://muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the- ... -bri.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). So if you have a Muslim running for President and he says he does NOT believe Islamic Law should supplant the Constitution you are a fool if you assume he's telling the truth.

So there's no way out. If you vote for a Muslim for President you are either totally unaware of what Islam is or you are a fool. And Carson should be willing to go ahead and say that because it is the truth.

JSO is correct on this one.

[kalm]

Apparently, there are substantial numbers of muslims who feel sharia is open to interpretation and shouldn't apply to non-muslims. The studies were conducted in MRZ's (muslim rich zone) and if you polled American muslims I'm sure the pro-sharia numbers would fall even further.

That's not to say they're worthy of voting for, but not everyone one of them is going to slide into office with the scimitar swinging.

Spoiler: show

I actually think it was a bit of a gotcha question for Carson and his response was not that big of a deal. Also, sorry for adding a dash of reason here.

According to the survey findings, most Muslims believe sharia is the revealed word of God rather than a body of law developed by men based on the word of God. Muslims also tend to believe sharia has only one, true understanding, but this opinion is far from universal; in some countries, substantial minorities of Muslims believe sharia should be open to multiple interpretations. Religious commitment is closely linked to views about sharia: Muslims who pray several times a day are more likely to say sharia is the revealed word of God, to say that it has only one interpretation and to support the implementation of Islamic law in their country.

Although many Muslims around the world say sharia should be the law of the land in their country, the survey reveals divergent opinions about the precise application of Islamic law.14 Generally, supporters of sharia are most comfortable with its application in cases of family or property disputes. In most regions, fewer favor other specific aspects of sharia, such as cutting off the hands of thieves and executing people who convert from Islam to another faith.

Muslims differ widely as to whether sharia should be open to multiple understandings. While many say there is only one true interpretation, substantial percentages in most countries either say there are multiple interpretations or say they do not know.

Support for making sharia the official law of the land varies significantly across the six major regions included in the study. In countries across South Asia, Southeast Asia, sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East-North Africa region most favor making sharia their country’s official legal code. By contrast, only a minority of Muslims across Central Asia as well as Southern and Eastern Europe want sharia to be the official law of the land.

Among Muslims who support making sharia the law of the land, most do not believe that it should be applied to non-Muslims. Only in five of 21 countries where this follow-up question was asked do at least half say all citizens should be subject to Islamic law.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Ibanez]

Just when I was thinking Carson has gonads he's backing off and obviously trying to pretend he didn't say what he said. He's talking about "context." Bullshit. He should have stood his ground. There's a damned good case to be made for the position he took and he should have made it.

It has nothing to do with the Constitutional stipulation that "...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." He didn't say a Msulim shouldn't be qualified to run for the office. The point is that we can vote as thinking people, see that Islam is both a religion and a political system, and not VOTE to put a Muslim into that position.

The reason is simple: A tenant of Islam is that there is no distinction between secular law and Islamic Law. Islamic Law rules. If somebody is following Islam they believe the Constitution should be eliminated and replaced with Islamic law. Or at the very least there is a serious risk of that.

Another thing is that Islam teaches that it's OK to lie to infidels in order to gain advantage (http://muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the- ... -bri.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). So if you have a Muslim running for President and he says he does NOT believe Islamic Law should supplant the Constitution you are a fool if you assume he's telling the truth.

So there's no way out. If you vote for a Muslim for President you are either totally unaware of what Islam is or you are a fool. And Carson should be willing to go ahead and say that because it is the truth.

For the most part, I agree with you HOWEVER he's running for political office. He has to backpedal some.

[YoUDeeMan]

Apparently, there are substantial numbers of muslims who feel sharia is open to interpretation and shouldn't apply to non-muslims. The studies were conducted in MRZ's (muslim rich zone) and if you polled American muslims I'm sure the pro-sharia numbers would fall even further.

That's not to say they're worthy of voting for, but not everyone one of them is going to slide into office with the scimitar swinging.

Spoiler: show

I actually think it was a bit of a gotcha question for Carson and his response was not that big of a deal. Also, sorry for adding a dash of reason here.

According to the survey findings, most Muslims believe sharia is the revealed word of God rather than a body of law developed by men based on the word of God. Muslims also tend to believe sharia has only one, true understanding, but this opinion is far from universal; in some countries, substantial minorities of Muslims believe sharia should be open to multiple interpretations. Religious commitment is closely linked to views about sharia: Muslims who pray several times a day are more likely to say sharia is the revealed word of God, to say that it has only one interpretation and to support the implementation of Islamic law in their country.

Although many Muslims around the world say sharia should be the law of the land in their country, the survey reveals divergent opinions about the precise application of Islamic law.14 Generally, supporters of sharia are most comfortable with its application in cases of family or property disputes. In most regions, fewer favor other specific aspects of sharia, such as cutting off the hands of thieves and executing people who convert from Islam to another faith.

Muslims differ widely as to whether sharia should be open to multiple understandings. While many say there is only one true interpretation, substantial percentages in most countries either say there are multiple interpretations or say they do not know.

Support for making sharia the official law of the land varies significantly across the six major regions included in the study. In countries across South Asia, Southeast Asia, sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East-North Africa region most favor making sharia their country’s official legal code. By contrast, only a minority of Muslims across Central Asia as well as Southern and Eastern Europe want sharia to be the official law of the land.

Among Muslims who support making sharia the law of the land, most do not believe that it should be applied to non-Muslims. Only in five of 21 countries where this follow-up question was asked do at least half say all citizens should be subject to Islamic law.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stats are funny things.

I took the liberty of enlarging the part you conveniently didn't bold.

So, how are things going in Muslin dominated countries?

[kalm]

Apparently, there are substantial numbers of muslims who feel sharia is open to interpretation and shouldn't apply to non-muslims. The studies were conducted in MRZ's (muslim rich zone) and if you polled American muslims I'm sure the pro-sharia numbers would fall even further.

That's not to say they're worthy of voting for, but not everyone one of them is going to slide into office with the scimitar swinging.

Spoiler: show

I actually think it was a bit of a gotcha question for Carson and his response was not that big of a deal. Also, sorry for adding a dash of reason here.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stats are funny things.

I took the liberty of enlarging the part you conveniently didn't bold.

So, how are things going in Muslin dominated countries?

Obviously not very well but sharia ain't quite the consensus it's cracked up to be...was my point. It's even less so in the U.S.

Next time I'll be sure report that Islam is behind the times too.

[CAA Flagship]

So why did Carson say what he did? I missed that part. Did someone ask him a specific question?
There are a lot of nutbags running for President but none of them are Muslim, so how did this topic come up in the first place?

[kalm]

[DSUrocks07]

This move was the best of both worlds for Carson. And should vault him forward in the process for taking such a stand, which is already being reflected in the increased donations he's been getting.

I'm sure Trump wishes he jumped on the Muslin threat bandwagon as well as the illegal Mexicans bandwagon

Carson appeals now to BOTH the religious Christian nuts on the right, the atheists in the middle, and the moderate Muslims who also quietly share this belief, think about it, a vast majority came to the United States to ESCAPE such measures of sharia law in their home countries.

He also garners support from those who feel that seperation of church and state is a paramount fundamental pillar of our system of government. And disarms the left because they preach constantly about how religion has no place in politics...well whatvare they going to say now? Not to mention having a black man make this statement, are they going to call him a racist? I thought black people can't be racist.

Absolutely brilliant.

[Chizzang]

This move was the best of both worlds for Carson. And should vault him forward in the process for taking such a stand, which is already being reflected in the increased donations he's been getting.

I'm sure Trump wishes he jumped on the Muslin threat bandwagon as well as the illegal Mexicans bandwagon

Carson appeals now to BOTH the religious Christian nuts on the right, the atheists in the middle, and the moderate Muslims who also quietly share this belief, think about it, a vast majority came to the United States to ESCAPE such measures of sharia law in their home countries.

He also garners support from those who feel that seperation of church and state is a paramount fundamental pillar of our system of government. And disarms the left because they preach constantly about how religion has no place in politics...well whatvare they going to say now? Not to mention having a black man make this statement, are they going to call him a racist? I thought black people can't be racist.

Absolutely brilliant.

Ben Carson also proves the insanity of religion (in general)
For yeas people couldn't believe that Islamic Fundamentalists blowing themselves up and others were anything more than a bunch of poor destitute losers... when it turned out some were doctors and college graduates the American public was stunned...

Yes - Fundamentalism is a disease - a form of deep insanity
Otherwise perfectly logical human can be inflicted with a craziness beyond belief

Welcome: Ben Carson... 6 degrees off from shiite fundamentalism
Lucky for us he chose Jesus and creationism instead of Islam / but the same rules of crazy apply

[CAA Flagship]

This move was the best of both worlds for Carson. And should vault him forward in the process for taking such a stand, which is already being reflected in the increased donations he's been getting.

I'm sure Trump wishes he jumped on the Muslin threat bandwagon as well as the illegal Mexicans bandwagon

Carson appeals now to BOTH the religious Christian nuts on the right, the atheists in the middle, and the moderate Muslims who also quietly share this belief, think about it, a vast majority came to the United States to ESCAPE such measures of sharia law in their home countries.

He also garners support from those who feel that seperation of church and state is a paramount fundamental pillar of our system of government. And disarms the left because they preach constantly about how religion has no place in politics...well whatvare they going to say now? Not to mention having a black man make this statement, are they going to call him a racist? I thought black people can't be racist.

Absolutely brilliant.

Ben Carson also proves the insanity of religion (in general)
For yeas people couldn't believe that Islamic Fundamentalists blowing themselves up and others were anything more than a bunch of poor destitute losers... when it turned out some were doctors and college graduates the American public was stunned...

Yes - Fundamentalism is a disease - a form of deep insanity
Otherwise perfectly logical human can be inflicted with a craziness beyond belief

Welcome: Ben Carson... 6 degrees off from shiite fundamentalism
Lucky for us he chose Jesus and creationism instead of Islam / but the same rules of crazy apply

Don't forget the promise of 72 virgins. These guys that have as much sex as WTAG are overloaded guns and can get talked into anything.
BTW, is anyone monitoring WTAG's purchases?

[Grizalltheway]

Ben Carson also proves the insanity of religion (in general)
For yeas people couldn't believe that Islamic Fundamentalists blowing themselves up and others were anything more than a bunch of poor destitute losers... when it turned out some were doctors and college graduates the American public was stunned...

Yes - Fundamentalism is a disease - a form of deep insanity
Otherwise perfectly logical human can be inflicted with a craziness beyond belief

Welcome: Ben Carson... 6 degrees off from shiite fundamentalism
Lucky for us he chose Jesus and creationism instead of Islam / but the same rules of crazy apply

Don't forget the promise of 72 virgins. These guys that have as much sex as WTAG are overloaded guns and can get talked into anything.
BTW, is anyone monitoring WTAG's purchases?

Has your wife let you take your balls out of her purse lately?

[CID1990]

Apparently, there are substantial numbers of muslims who feel sharia is open to interpretation and shouldn't apply to non-muslims. The studies were conducted in MRZ's (muslim rich zone) and if you polled American muslims I'm sure the pro-sharia numbers would fall even further.

That's not to say they're worthy of voting for, but not everyone one of them is going to slide into office with the scimitar swinging.

Spoiler: show

I actually think it was a bit of a gotcha question for Carson and his response was not that big of a deal. Also, sorry for adding a dash of reason here.

According to the survey findings, most Muslims believe sharia is the revealed word of God rather than a body of law developed by men based on the word of God. Muslims also tend to believe sharia has only one, true understanding, but this opinion is far from universal; in some countries, substantial minorities of Muslims believe sharia should be open to multiple interpretations. Religious commitment is closely linked to views about sharia: Muslims who pray several times a day are more likely to say sharia is the revealed word of God, to say that it has only one interpretation and to support the implementation of Islamic law in their country.

Although many Muslims around the world say sharia should be the law of the land in their country, the survey reveals divergent opinions about the precise application of Islamic law.14 Generally, supporters of sharia are most comfortable with its application in cases of family or property disputes. In most regions, fewer favor other specific aspects of sharia, such as cutting off the hands of thieves and executing people who convert from Islam to another faith.

Muslims differ widely as to whether sharia should be open to multiple understandings. While many say there is only one true interpretation, substantial percentages in most countries either say there are multiple interpretations or say they do not know.

Support for making sharia the official law of the land varies significantly across the six major regions included in the study. In countries across South Asia, Southeast Asia, sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East-North Africa region most favor making sharia their country’s official legal code. By contrast, only a minority of Muslims across Central Asia as well as Southern and Eastern Europe want sharia to be the official law of the land.

Among Muslims who support making sharia the law of the land, most do not believe that it should be applied to non-Muslims. Only in five of 21 countries where this follow-up question was asked do at least half say all citizens should be subject to Islamic law.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

oh, klam has spoken

as you were, everybody

again, for the reading impaired: there are legitimate reasons why one would be concerned over a muslim holding the highest office - the very essence of islam is that it is a form of government unto itself

find a poll that asks these supposed moderate muslims whether or not their country's laws should trump those of the religion and then maybe your post will have some relevance

news flash: in predominantly muslim countries they ALREADY have laws that are dictated by the koran - Jordan, Lebanon, Oman, Indonesia, even Turkey - there are sacrilegious things you can do in those countries that will get you thrown in jail (if there is a more liberal country than the one I mentioned then feel free to let me know)

but by all means continue to apologize for islam

[∞∞∞]

Just when I was thinking Carson has gonads he's backing off and obviously trying to pretend he didn't say what he said. He's talking about "context." Bullshit. He should have stood his ground. There's a damned good case to be made for the position he took and he should have made it.

It has nothing to do with the Constitutional stipulation that "...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." He didn't say a Msulim shouldn't be qualified to run for the office. The point is that we can vote as thinking people, see that Islam is both a religion and a political system, and not VOTE to put a Muslim into that position.

The reason is simple: A tenant of Islam is that there is no distinction between secular law and Islamic Law. Islamic Law rules. If somebody is following Islam they believe the Constitution should be eliminated and replaced with Islamic law. Or at the very least there is a serious risk of that.

Another thing is that Islam teaches that it's OK to lie to infidels in order to gain advantage (http://muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the- ... -bri.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). So if you have a Muslim running for President and he says he does NOT believe Islamic Law should supplant the Constitution you are a fool if you assume he's telling the truth.

So there's no way out. If you vote for a Muslim for President you are either totally unaware of what Islam is or you are a fool. And Carson should be willing to go ahead and say that because it is the truth.

Hey JSO, setting aside that I'm fairly liberal on most topics, would you ever consider voting for me despise the fact that I'm a former Muslim? Or do you think I'm lying about my lack of religion to deceive you?

[∞∞∞]

Double-post

[Ivytalk]

Just when I was thinking Carson has gonads he's backing off and obviously trying to pretend he didn't say what he said. He's talking about "context." Bullshit. He should have stood his ground. There's a damned good case to be made for the position he took and he should have made it.

It has nothing to do with the Constitutional stipulation that "...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." He didn't say a Msulim shouldn't be qualified to run for the office. The point is that we can vote as thinking people, see that Islam is both a religion and a political system, and not VOTE to put a Muslim into that position.

The reason is simple: A tenant of Islam is that there is no distinction between secular law and Islamic Law. Islamic Law rules. If somebody is following Islam they believe the Constitution should be eliminated and replaced with Islamic law. Or at the very least there is a serious risk of that.

Another thing is that Islam teaches that it's OK to lie to infidels in order to gain advantage (http://muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the- ... -bri.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). So if you have a Muslim running for President and he says he does NOT believe Islamic Law should supplant the Constitution you are a fool if you assume he's telling the truth.

So there's no way out. If you vote for a Muslim for President you are either totally unaware of what Islam is or you are a fool. And Carson should be willing to go ahead and say that because it is the truth.

Hey JSO, setting aside that I'm fairly liberal on most topics, would you ever consider voting for me despise the fact that I'm a former Muslim? Or do you think I'm lying about my lack of religion to deceive you?

Well, Trips, if you're willing to be a puppy-killer, you may get JSO's vote!

[mrklean]

What race is an Iranian?

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh. Sandnigger, of course.



You are once again playing dumb while trying to blur the lines when there are clearly identifiable groups. Are there mixes? Yes, more and more with travel. But there are still clearly identifiable groups, and those people clearly have their own abilities and genetic traits.

To deny that is to deny reality. Of course, denying reality is what you do.

SO TYPICAL