Trump: US may not defend NATO allies against Russian attack

[kalm]

Why does the NORTH ATLANTIC Treaty Organization have members in Southern Europe in the first place? Sounds like the Baltic states need to get their own alliance pact together.

Its not the 1950s anymore. Remember all the talk about how the parties "switched"? Well the Democrats have been going back to their roots more and more this election cycle.

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Pretty sure all of Europe in in the Northern Hemishpere, but kalmmy and WTAG might disagree with my geography knowledge.

You are correct, Andy! But I think the point he was making is that it's the NORTH ATLANTIC T.O. and the Balkans are located along the Med which is clearly not a part of the Atlantic...andeographically speaking.

[andy7171]

Pretty sure all of Europe in in the Northern Hemishpere, but kalmmy and WTAG might disagree with my geography knowledge.

You are correct, Andy! But I think the point he was making is that it's the NORTH ATLANTIC T.O. and the Balkans are located along the Med which is clearly not a part of the Atlantic...andeographically speaking.

BALTIC you one nutted nincompoop!

[DSUrocks07]

Pretty sure all of Europe in in the Northern Hemishpere, but kalmmy and WTAG might disagree with my geography knowledge.

You are correct, Andy! But I think the point he was making is that it's the NORTH ATLANTIC T.O. and the Balkans are located along the Med which is clearly not a part of the Atlantic...andeographically speaking.

So my argument is still right in theory but I completely botched the execution

if "NATO"is expanding to all of Europe sans Russia, why cant THOSE nations pony up for their own defense. Percentage of GDP sounds "fair", but we are still outspending most of the organization combined.

I mean yeah it was important for the United States to be part of NATO back in the 50s and 60s during the height of the Cold War, when Europe could use our defense while they were rebuilding from World War II.

But 70 years later they are taking advantage of our generosity at this point. If the EU is such a wonderful idea then theres little reason for our continued participation.

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[houndawg]

Not surprised that many on here that say that Putin runs circles around Obama, etc. are on here defending Trump on this position. This is Putin's wet dream.





Estonia is where the biggest threat from Russia is.

Estonia contributes 2.1%. Estonia sends troops to Afghanistan.

They meet their obligations.

Then, defend the **** out of them. What's the problem?

Look at a map. The over/under on how long it would take Russia to grab them would be set somewhere between 90 seconds and 2 minutes

[andy7171]

Then, defend the **** out of them. What's the problem?

Look at a map. The over/under on how long it would take Russia to grab them would be set somewhere between 90 seconds and 2 minutes

And our response would be 2 minutes after that.

[kalm]

You are correct, Andy! But I think the point he was making is that it's the NORTH ATLANTIC T.O. and the Balkans are located along the Med which is clearly not a part of the Atlantic...andeographically speaking.

BALTIC you one nutted nincompoop!

That's what he typed, Andy, but even a kid with a rec management degree from a directional school knew he meant the Balkans...which are located on a sea which is clearly not part of the Atlantic.

And if if he meant the Baltics, they too are not on the Atlantic. They are on the Baltic Sea (hence the name). The rivers that flow through Estonia clearly do not feed the Atlantic.

[houndawg]

Party platforms did switch in the early 20th Century.

That's my point, more and more Democrats are showing themselves to being the very things they claim to despise.

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Trut so pure. Starting with the Democratic Party.

[andy7171]

BALTIC you one nutted nincompoop!

That's what he typed, Andy, but even a kid with a rec management degree from a directional school knew he meant the Balkans...which are located on a sea which is clearly not part of the Atlantic.

All of Europe is approximately above the Mason Dixon line and closer to the Atlantic than you are.
Therefore NORTH

[YoUDeeMan]

I mean yeah it was important for the United States to be part of NATO back in the 50s and 60s during the height of the Cold War, when Europe could use our defense while they were rebuilding from World War II.

But 70 years later they are taking advantage of our generosity at this point. If the EU is such a wonderful idea then theres little reason for our continued participation.

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THIS.

Russia isn't going to attack Germany, France, or the other countries that most 'Mericans think about when you say, "Europe." Those countries can defend themselves with nukes. End of story.

But, we've expended NATO to Russia's doorstep...and that was, and is, is a mistake.

Look how we reacted to Cuba's relations with Russia. Hello. Sphere of influence. What would we do if Mexico, or Canada, signed a defense agreement with Russia? Hello.

NATO, as it stands now, needs to go the way of the dinosaur. If Russia attacks Latvia, do we want our children to die over that? Really? WTF are people thinking? Latvia's NATO membership, and the other silly NATO members' memberships, benefits the EU, not us. Fvck 'em. Let them devise their own defense treaties.

With the rise of China, Turkey's bend towards stupidity, and the whole Islamistan crap growing, we need Russia's help more than we need Russia as an enemy. Any child could understand that.

[UNI88]

That's what he typed, Andy, but even a kid with a rec management degree from a directional school knew he meant the Balkans...which are located on a sea which is clearly not part of the Atlantic.

All of Europe is approximately above the Mason Dixon line and closer to the Atlantic than you are.
Therefore NORTH

I don't think Europe gives a rat's behind about the Mason Dixon line so North would refer to north of the equator or possibly that section of the Atlantic between the two continents in the Northern
hemisphere that bookend the Atlantic Ocean (Europe and North America).

I believe the Baltic Sea is considered a part of the Atlantic Ocean.

[SDHornet]

I mean yeah it was important for the United States to be part of NATO back in the 50s and 60s during the height of the Cold War, when Europe could use our defense while they were rebuilding from World War II.

But 70 years later they are taking advantage of our generosity at this point. If the EU is such a wonderful idea then theres little reason for our continued participation.

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THIS.

Russia isn't going to attack Germany, France, or the other countries that most 'Mericans think about when you say, "Europe." Those countries can defend themselves with nukes. End of story.

But, we've expended NATO to Russia's doorstep...and that was, and is, is a mistake.

Look how we reacted to Cuba's relations with Russia. Hello. Sphere of influence. What would we do if Mexico, or Canada, signed a defense agreement with Russia? Hello.

NATO, as it stands now, needs to go the way of the dinosaur. If Russia attacks Latvia, do we want our children to die over that? Really? WTF are people thinking? Latvia's NATO membership, and the other silly NATO members' memberships, benefits the EU, not us. Fvck 'em. Let them devise their own defense treaties.

With the rise of China, Turkey's bend towards stupidity, and the whole Islamistan crap growing, we need Russia's help more than we need Russia as an enemy. Any child could understand that.

Yeah we tried that...didn't go so well.

[andy7171]

All of Europe is approximately above the Mason Dixon line and closer to the Atlantic than you are.
Therefore NORTH

I don't think Europe gives a rat's behind about the Mason Dixon line so North would refer to north of the equator or possibly that section of the Atlantic between the two continents in the Northern
hemisphere that bookend the Atlantic Ocean (Europe and North America).

I believe the Baltic Sea is considered a part of the Atlantic Ocean.

If I were in charge of shit, the North and South Atlantic designation would be above and below the Topic lines. And which in this case the Balkans and Baltics would be considered NATO eligible.

[kalm]

All of Europe is approximately above the Mason Dixon line and closer to the Atlantic than you are.
Therefore NORTH

I don't think Europe gives a rat's behind about the Mason Dixon line so North would refer to north of the equator or possibly that section of the Atlantic between the two continents in the Northern
hemisphere that bookend the Atlantic Ocean (Europe and North America).

I believe the Baltic Sea is considered a part of the Atlantic Ocean.

But the Caribbean Sea is not...amirite, Andy?

[andy7171]

I don't think Europe gives a rat's behind about the Mason Dixon line so North would refer to north of the equator or possibly that section of the Atlantic between the two continents in the Northern
hemisphere that bookend the Atlantic Ocean (Europe and North America).

I believe the Baltic Sea is considered a part of the Atlantic Ocean.

But the Caribbean Sea is not...amirite, Andy?

Carribean Sea, no. Gulf of Mexico, mostly.

[kalm]

But the Caribbean Sea is not...amirite, Andy?

Carribean Sea, no. Gulf of Mexico, mostly.

Shit!