What was the purpose of the Second Amendment?

[Purple For Life]

Actually, no. I grew up with the big Four/Five. No cable. No satellite. I wasn't allowed to watch R movies.

However, Dad did tell us that the gun was a serious thing, and that it had potential to kill. I saw dead raccoons and skunks, I didn't need violent media to tell me that a gun could kill.

I just don't like guns, don't see the point why someone has to have enough guns to warrant a gun cabinet as tall as me. (I'm 5'5", for the record.)

I grew up the same fashion when it came to guns. Dad had many guns and always had a .357 under the seat of his truck and one under his bed. He showed me and my brother the damage that it could do to various objects at the shooting range and let us shoot the firearms at the gun club once in a while. He must have done it the right way regarding my brother and I because we NEVER touched one of his guns when he wasn't around.

People have fears about all sorts of things that are quite unreasonable, I have seen clips of them on the daytime TV shows quite a bit so you're not unusual in having an irrational fear of guns. It is nonetheless irrational.

You say you don't understand the point of people having a gun cabinet. That's fine as well because you don't have to understand why other people find enjoyment or security in various things, they just do. I can't understand why someone would want a cat tracking it's kitty litter paws all over the place but it brings some level of enjoyment to those that do and therefore it's reall nothing for me to concern myself with. I have been shot at in armed robbery before and I will tell you one thing for god damn sure...I'd rather have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have one. If it helps you to understand why people have a love of guns it is because they provide protection, and bring hours of enjoyment when feeling the power of shooting them. I sleep with a .12 guage on a ledge within reaching distance every night and I won't be without the proper tools in case someone with bad intentions and a gun decide to try and make unjust grab for things that aren't theirs, or even worse take a life in the process. With any luck at all I will be able to end at lest that fella's string of bad decision making for good. As I stated earlier, every soul on this planet has a right to protect themselves from danger.

I don't worry about kitty litter being tracked all over, I have this:


and it's pretty much awesome.

If you want A gun okay, whatever. I don't understand the people that need oh, 25 guns. How many different ways can you kill something?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I grew up the same fashion when it came to guns. Dad had many guns and always had a .357 under the seat of his truck and one under his bed. He showed me and my brother the damage that it could do to various objects at the shooting range and let us shoot the firearms at the gun club once in a while. He must have done it the right way regarding my brother and I because we NEVER touched one of his guns when he wasn't around.

People have fears about all sorts of things that are quite unreasonable, I have seen clips of them on the daytime TV shows quite a bit so you're not unusual in having an irrational fear of guns. It is nonetheless irrational.

You say you don't understand the point of people having a gun cabinet. That's fine as well because you don't have to understand why other people find enjoyment or security in various things, they just do. I can't understand why someone would want a cat tracking it's kitty litter paws all over the place but it brings some level of enjoyment to those that do and therefore it's reall nothing for me to concern myself with. I have been shot at in armed robbery before and I will tell you one thing for god damn sure...I'd rather have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have one. If it helps you to understand why people have a love of guns it is because they provide protection, and bring hours of enjoyment when feeling the power of shooting them. I sleep with a .12 guage on a ledge within reaching distance every night and I won't be without the proper tools in case someone with bad intentions and a gun decide to try and make unjust grab for things that aren't theirs, or even worse take a life in the process. With any luck at all I will be able to end at lest that fella's string of bad decision making for good. As I stated earlier, every soul on this planet has a right to protect themselves from danger.

I don't worry about kitty litter being tracked all over, I have this:


and it's pretty much awesome.

If you want A gun okay, whatever. I don't understand the people that need oh, 25 guns. How many different ways can you kill something?

I can assure you that it is more than 25. Again I say what does this matter to you? If I had 25 guns I wouldn't be trying to use all of them to kill someone. I would choose the ONE that would do the most damage in the shortest amount of time with the least amount of aiming...hence a shotgun by the bed. I may have another gun for a different application such as hunting deer, a rifle with a scope on it. Some may want to have a back up weapon such as a handgun for home security. Or they may just like having different weapons to shoot for fun when they go out to a target range or simply collect them.

You don't seem to get the fact that guns have many different uses for killing many different things. Chief among them for me though is personal protection against those that want to do harm.

I don't understand why a lot of women have cherub, cow, or whatever collections but it's their money, and their choice to have that shit. Much like gun owners with the exception that I'll take the gun owners chances in defending themselves any day of the week if a home invasion, or a rape, or any other litany of bad shit that can occur to an individual. It may make sense to you but to me it doesn't make sense that a person wouldn't take precautions to protect themselves considering the number of very bad things that happen on a daily basis.

[grizzaholic]

Ursus....this is why I stay away from these threads...I really try. People that are not brought up around guns or on a farm or whatever just think the rest of us are crazy if we own more than one gun.



PFL....before you go spouting off about something know something about it first.

[UNI88]

Ursus....this is why I stay away from these threads...I really try. People that are not brought up around guns or on a farm or whatever just think the rest of us are crazy if we own more than one gun.



PFL....before you go spouting off about something know something about it first.

Grizza, careful with the generalizations. I was not brought up on a farm or around guns. I don't have a gun and don't particularly care for them (I'm pretty resourceful and am confortable defending myself and my family with my head, my fists and whatever else is available). I also have no problem with people owning or collecting guns. My brother-in-law has a gun safe the size of a VW and he has some pretty cool guns and other stuff. He is a responsible adult and there is no reason he shouldn't be able to collect guns. I am ok with gun registration, waiting periods and limiting bulk purchases.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Ursus....this is why I stay away from these threads...I really try. People that are not brought up around guns or on a farm or whatever just think the rest of us are crazy if we own more than one gun.



PFL....before you go spouting off about something know something about it first.

Grizza, careful with the generalizations. I was not brought up on a farm or around guns. I don't have a gun and don't particularly care for them (I'm pretty resourceful and am confortable defending myself and my family with my head, my fists and whatever else is available). I also have no problem with people owning or collecting guns. My brother-in-law has a gun safe the size of a VW and he has some pretty cool guns and other stuff. He is a responsible adult and there is no reason he shouldn't be able to collect guns. I am ok with gun registration, waiting periods and limiting bulk purchases.

I believe his inference was a city folk vs. country folk thing. A lot of city folk types have a prevailing stereotype of country sorts as being gun nuts and throw that around quite a bit. He could have phrased it differently but I think that was his point. If people don't want them around then that's perfectly understandable in my book. I have led a fairly pugilistic lifestyle from the time I was about 15 and I have confidence in my ability to defend myself without a weapon as you described above...as long as the other fella doesn't have one, that is. I hope that none of the good people are ever in the situation where the only thought racing through your head is "fuck I wish I had a gun!" But they are in those situations daily.

[grizzaholic]

Ursus....this is why I stay away from these threads...I really try. People that are not brought up around guns or on a farm or whatever just think the rest of us are crazy if we own more than one gun.



PFL....before you go spouting off about something know something about it first.

Grizza, careful with the generalizations. I was not brought up on a farm or around guns. I don't have a gun and don't particularly care for them (I'm pretty resourceful and am confortable defending myself and my family with my head, my fists and whatever else is available). I also have no problem with people owning or collecting guns. My brother-in-law has a gun safe the size of a VW and he has some pretty cool guns and other stuff. He is a responsible adult and there is no reason he shouldn't be able to collect guns. I am ok with gun registration, waiting periods and limiting bulk purchases.

Sounds like some Bull SHIT right there.


Look.........................Welll..............Ursus...you can read my mind...help me out with my thought.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Grizza, careful with the generalizations. I was not brought up on a farm or around guns. I don't have a gun and don't particularly care for them (I'm pretty resourceful and am confortable defending myself and my family with my head, my fists and whatever else is available). I also have no problem with people owning or collecting guns. My brother-in-law has a gun safe the size of a VW and he has some pretty cool guns and other stuff. He is a responsible adult and there is no reason he shouldn't be able to collect guns. I am ok with gun registration, waiting periods and limiting bulk purchases.

Sounds like some Bull SHIT right there.


Look.........................Welll..............Ursus...you can read my mind...help me out with my thought.

Look UNI88, what Grizza is trying to say here is that he likes turtles. I hope that clears things up.

[ASUMountaineer]

Sounds like some Bull SHIT right there.


Look.........................Welll..............Ursus...you can read my mind...help me out with my thought.

Look UNI88, what Grizza is trying to say here is that he likes turtles. I hope that clears things up.

[UNI88]

Grizza, careful with the generalizations. I was not brought up on a farm or around guns. I don't have a gun and don't particularly care for them (I'm pretty resourceful and am confortable defending myself and my family with my head, my fists and whatever else is available). I also have no problem with people owning or collecting guns. My brother-in-law has a gun safe the size of a VW and he has some pretty cool guns and other stuff. He is a responsible adult and there is no reason he shouldn't be able to collect guns. I am ok with gun registration, waiting periods and limiting bulk purchases.

Sounds like some Bull SHIT right there.


Look.........................Welll..............Ursus...you can read my mind...help me out with my thought.

Grizza, I hope you understand that I'm not some tree-hugger who doesn't understand your concerns over limits on bulk purchases. The reason I'm ok with it in principle is that I live in a major metropolitan area (but I grew up in small town in Iowa) and I know how that ability can be abused. Guns are restricted in Chicago so gangbangers will go to dealers outside of the city and buy guns in bulk for no other purpose than to defend their turf and injure other people. They're not collectors and they don't need them for sport. What people who buy guns in this manner do with them hurts the arguments of responsible gun owners. We need to find a way to prevent the misuse of guns without infringing on the rights of responsible gun owners.

Regarding self defense, I don't disagree with you Ursus. I don't feel the need to own a gun but I don't begrudge anyone else's right to own one. If my wife said she wanted to buy one (she's a better shot than I am anyway) I wouldn't have a problem with it as long as we took the appropriate safeguards.

And turtles are cool! Box turtles used to wander through my yard on their way to the Mississippi every year when I was a kid.