CID1990 wrote: BTW - natural rights are not "granted" by the government, Junior
Not sure what that has to do with anything.Skjellyfetti wrote:50% of Russians were serfs a generation before the Bolsheviks took over.93henfan wrote:Yes. The Germans and RussIans had natural rights before the Nazis and Bolsheviks took them away as well.
https://www.investors.com/politics/edit ... gun-right/Writing in the newspaper Pravda, where he is a regular contributor, Stanislav Mishin, notes that one of the first things the early Communist rulers did was to disarm the population. "From that point," he says, "mass repression, mass arrests, mass deportations, mass murder, mass starvation were all a safe game for the powers that were. The worst they had to fear was a pitchfork in the guts or a knife in the back or the occasional hunting rifle."
Even with the demise of the Soviet Union, Stalin-era gun restrictions continue with Mishin giving the reason: "For those of us fighting for our traditional rights, the U.S. 2nd Amendment is a rare light in an ever-darkening room. Governments will use the excuse of trying to protect the people from maniacs and crime. But in reality, it is the bureaucrats protecting their power and position."
The experience of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union shows how gun-control is a necessary precursor to tyranny and mass murder.
Agreed, they should be able to find the 5 or 6 people that do this each year and stop them. Its so easy to point the blame........the left just does it to everyone but where the blame firmly belongs.89Hen wrote:Agreed, the mental health officials in the country should do more.bluehenbillk wrote:
Yea, but by doing ZERO after the first 100 school shootings, you ARE doing exactly that.
The anti gun left has to lie to everyone about trying to get their socialist utopia forced on the USA.93henfan wrote:They're not honest about their intent, of course. Nothing short of confiscation will make them happy.Col Hogan wrote:Everyone can rest easy...
This bastard did not use an AR-15 or a semi-auto pistol...according to Texas Gov. Greg Abbot
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/623438002
Gun control nuts on this board and others have said they are not coming for shotguns or revolvers...just semi-auto guns...so i’m Just going to sit over here and see if they are honest...or show their true colors...
Thus, don't give an inch.It's not worth it to make clueless people feel more secure.
Im all for the gun owners being accountable.....in fact automobile owners, cell phone users and doctors should be as well, make it across the board and Im in. If you just single out gun owners then fuck off Im not listening to this because automobiles, cell phones and doctors kill far more people each year.AZGrizFan wrote:You can break into 99% of gun safes in about 10 minutes.CAA Flagship wrote: Metal detectors and clear backpacks are just small bumps in the road. The shooter always has the first shot. And that would be used on the person manning the metal detector. Then it's a mad dash down the hallway to get that asshole teacher.
And if someone wanted to commit murder, they wouldn't be too concerned with "burglary" to acquire the guns. I'm just saying that it can't be automatic that the parents (or "owner") of the gun(s) be responsible. I'll admit that I don't know how "secure" a gun safe can be, but I'm guessing that most are no more secure than a bicycle lock.
You are a walking talking civics disasterSkjellyfetti wrote:CID1990 wrote: BTW - natural rights are not "granted" by the government, Junior
And guns aren't a natural right, either. It's a right given to us by the Constitution.
Life, liberty, property.
Locke surprisingly did not point to Russia as a beacon of natural rights for its citizens.
Then that's the risk you take to have a gun(s) in your house. Once you have it, it's your responsibility to keep it out of the hands of those who would use the weapon improperly. I'm sure we can write some proviso in for the genuine case of someone from outside your house breaking in and stealing the gun. So let's do that. And then, if anyone from you or your household or close friend who takes the guns and uses them to kill people then you as the gunowner will also be liable, and I mean seriously liable, like accessory to murder liable, not just a fine. You should be the best placed person to know if anyone in your household is crazy or capable of mass murder, so you should be held accountable for giving them the means to do so by owning a gun. If you don't want this responsibility, no problem, either don't own a gun or keep them somewhere secure other than your house like at a gun club. That way we don't infringe on the right to own a gun and those gun owners who are responsible and upstanding folks can be separate from the irresponsible ones.AZGrizFan wrote:You can break into 99% of gun safes in about 10 minutes.CAA Flagship wrote: Metal detectors and clear backpacks are just small bumps in the road. The shooter always has the first shot. And that would be used on the person manning the metal detector. Then it's a mad dash down the hallway to get that asshole teacher.
And if someone wanted to commit murder, they wouldn't be too concerned with "burglary" to acquire the guns. I'm just saying that it can't be automatic that the parents (or "owner") of the gun(s) be responsible. I'll admit that I don't know how "secure" a gun safe can be, but I'm guessing that most are no more secure than a bicycle lock.
I really don't want a criminal entity to crack the GPS and know that I have guns and where I hide the guns on my property. I don't display my guns, and keep them hidden away, and I'm the only one that knows where they are. It would take any of you at least 30 minutes or more to find them if you knew I had them.∞∞∞ wrote:Require firearms them to be smart (like phones). Have them connected to GPS and if the feature fails, the firearm locks itself. Have them connected to a database where the firearm locks itself in public spaces. Don't necessarily tie a person to the firearm, but tie the firearm to a smart network.
And then phase out dumb firearms (ie. In 5 years, 20+ year-old dumb firearms become illegal; in 10 years, 15+ year-old dumb firearms become illegal, etc.). Make owning a dumb firearm a permit issue.
Get right on that, it shouldn't take much time. And how many dumb firearms to be phased out? If my dad gives me his service gun and I properly maintain it. Ain't shit going to go wrong with it. It's a simple tool. It ain't no car. Plus who is going to buy a weapon with computer glitches needed to use in emergency situations?∞∞∞ wrote:Require firearms them to be smart (like phones). Have them connected to GPS and if the feature fails, the firearm locks itself. Have them connected to a database where the firearm locks itself in public spaces. Don't necessarily tie a person to the firearm, but tie the firearm to a smart network.
And then phase out dumb firearms (ie. In 5 years, 20+ year-old dumb firearms become illegal; in 10 years, 15+ year-old dumb firearms become illegal, etc.). Make owning a dumb firearm a permit issue.
Nope, you need to fix the human problem, maybe chip these kids so they are like your smart phone∞∞∞ wrote:Require firearms them to be smart (like phones). Have them connected to GPS and if the feature fails, the firearm locks itself. Have them connected to a database where the firearm locks itself in public spaces. Don't necessarily tie a person to the firearm, but tie the firearm to a smart network.
And then phase out dumb firearms (ie. In 5 years, 20+ year-old dumb firearms become illegal; in 10 years, 15+ year-old dumb firearms become illegal, etc.). Make owning a dumb firearm a permit issue.
So stolen 90% of the time........GannonFan wrote:How close are we to having guns and triggers being able to be tied to a fingerprint or DNA or something of the sort so that the only person who can fire the gun is the person with the fingerprint or DNA? Doesn't get around the complication of the person who can legally own the gun going crazed but it takes out the possibility of a stolen gun being used. Remember, most of these mass shootings aren't being done with guns that are being stolen by someone unknown to the owner - it's either the legal owner doing it or someone in their household doing it.
This is the dumbest thing I've read this week.∞∞∞ wrote:Require firearms them to be smart (like phones). Have them connected to GPS and if the feature fails, the firearm locks itself. Have them connected to a database where the firearm locks itself in public spaces. Don't necessarily tie a person to the firearm, but tie the firearm to a smart network.
And then phase out dumb firearms (ie. In 5 years, 20+ year-old dumb firearms become illegal; in 10 years, 15+ year-old dumb firearms become illegal, etc.). Make owning a dumb firearm a permit issue.
He want you to live there!andy7171 wrote:Get right on that, it shouldn't take much time. And how many dumb firearms to be phased out? If my dad gives me his service gun and I properly maintain it. Ain't shit going to go wrong with it. It's a simple tool. It ain't no car. Plus who is going to buy a weapon with computer glitches needed to use in emergency situations?∞∞∞ wrote:Require firearms them to be smart (like phones). Have them connected to GPS and if the feature fails, the firearm locks itself. Have them connected to a database where the firearm locks itself in public spaces. Don't necessarily tie a person to the firearm, but tie the firearm to a smart network.
And then phase out dumb firearms (ie. In 5 years, 20+ year-old dumb firearms become illegal; in 10 years, 15+ year-old dumb firearms become illegal, etc.). Make owning a dumb firearm a permit issue.
I want to live in your utopia!
Americans give information away through social media, message boards, computer browsers, phone apps, operating systems, smart appliances, smart cars, and smart assistants that listen in 24/7. Everything we do is recorded and often times, willingly shared.93henfan wrote:This is the dumbest thing I've read this week.∞∞∞ wrote:Require firearms them to be smart (like phones). Have them connected to GPS and if the feature fails, the firearm locks itself. Have them connected to a database where the firearm locks itself in public spaces. Don't necessarily tie a person to the firearm, but tie the firearm to a smart network.
And then phase out dumb firearms (ie. In 5 years, 20+ year-old dumb firearms become illegal; in 10 years, 15+ year-old dumb firearms become illegal, etc.). Make owning a dumb firearm a permit issue.
Still wouldn't keep the crazies from getting a gun or some sort of weapon, anytime they wanted one. I'm on the side of protecting the schools from these people getting thru the doors.∞∞∞ wrote:Americans give information away through social media, message boards, computer browsers, phone apps, operating systems, smart appliances, smart cars, and smart assistants that listen in 24/7. Everything we do is recorded and often times, willingly shared.93henfan wrote:
This is the dumbest thing I've read this week.
But god forbid our firearms be smart?
The point is integrating technology into firearms would be a great safety feature. Maybe my particularly idea isn't ideal, but I'm trying to get the larger picture painted.
I don't want any external control on an item I am trusting the defense of myself and my family with. I won't comply with any such attempt.∞∞∞ wrote:Americans give information away through social media, message boards, computer browsers, phone apps, operating systems, smart appliances, smart cars, and smart assistants that listen in 24/7. Everything we do is recorded and often times, willingly shared.93henfan wrote:
This is the dumbest thing I've read this week.
But god forbid our firearms be smart?
The point is integrating technology into firearms would be a great safety feature. Maybe my particularly idea isn't ideal, but I'm trying to get the larger picture painted.
So people knowing where you live and work, how many children you have, where they'll be traveling, what activities they do...that's all perfectly safe. But a smart firearm meant to protect society isn't?93henfan wrote:I don't want any external control on an item I am trusting the defense of myself and my family with. I won't comply with any such attempt.∞∞∞ wrote: Americans give information away through social media, message boards, computer browsers, phone apps, operating systems, smart appliances, smart cars, and smart assistants that listen in 24/7. Everything we do is recorded and often times, willingly shared.
But god forbid our firearms be smart?
The point is integrating technology into firearms would be a great safety feature. Maybe my particularly idea isn't ideal, but I'm trying to get the larger picture painted.
Precisely. We live in different times. Firearms have always been around. Now (for reasons debatable) we suddenly have more frequency of school shooting. So obviously, it's not the firearms are the problem here. The problem is:Gil Dobie wrote:Still wouldn't keep the crazies from getting a gun or some sort of weapon, anytime they wanted one. I'm on the side of protecting the schools from these people getting thru the doors.∞∞∞ wrote: Americans give information away through social media, message boards, computer browsers, phone apps, operating systems, smart appliances, smart cars, and smart assistants that listen in 24/7. Everything we do is recorded and often times, willingly shared.
But god forbid our firearms be smart?
The point is integrating technology into firearms would be a great safety feature. Maybe my particularly idea isn't ideal, but I'm trying to get the larger picture painted.
Note that the anti-gun folks like Trip never come up with an idea like this...it’s always attack legal Gun owners and their property...Gil Dobie wrote:Still wouldn't keep the crazies from getting a gun or some sort of weapon, anytime they wanted one. I'm on the side of protecting the schools from these people getting thru the doors.∞∞∞ wrote: Americans give information away through social media, message boards, computer browsers, phone apps, operating systems, smart appliances, smart cars, and smart assistants that listen in 24/7. Everything we do is recorded and often times, willingly shared.
But god forbid our firearms be smart?
The point is integrating technology into firearms would be a great safety feature. Maybe my particularly idea isn't ideal, but I'm trying to get the larger picture painted.
You're reinforcing exactly why I want my guns to work every time. Thanks.∞∞∞ wrote:So people knowing where you live and work, how many children you have, where they'll be traveling, what activities they do...that's all perfectly safe. But a smart firearm meant to protect society isn't?93henfan wrote:
I don't want any external control on an item I am trusting the defense of myself and my family with. I won't comply with any such attempt.
Understood.
Anyways, gotta head out for the day.
