Top 5 presidents

[Ibanez]

But, of course, saw WWII coming and put us in position to win that war, defeat Nazism and imperial Japan, and be placed to be the greatest superpower in the world for the next century. So all in all, that's a count on the plus side, no?

That's a hell of a statement. One I've never heard/read about FDR....in fact usually the opposite.

Really? If you read many of his speeches during his early campaigns and look at his correspondence with Churchill, he was well aware that war was coming but knew that Americans had no stomach for it. I thought that was common knowledge.

[GannonFan]

That's a hell of a statement. One I've never heard/read about FDR....in fact usually the opposite.

Really? If you read many of his speeches during his early campaigns and look at his correspondence with Churchill, he was well aware that war was coming but knew that Americans had no stomach for it. I thought that was common knowledge.

Agreed, FDR's problem was how to sell the war to the rest of the nation. It took several years and ultimately Pearl Harbor for that to happen.

[89Hen]

Really? If you read many of his speeches during his early campaigns and look at his correspondence with Churchill, he was well aware that war was coming but knew that Americans had no stomach for it. I thought that was common knowledge.

Agreed, FDR's problem was how to sell the war to the rest of the nation. It took several years and ultimately Pearl Harbor for that to happen.

You still think Japan bombed Pearl Harbor?

#pearlharborwasaninsidejob

[CID1990]

I consider Abraham Lincoln among the worst ever because he is responsible for a needlessly long and bloody conflict that cost 600,000 lives.

Said ^ the white guy in Georgia



I can't tell you how much this cheered me up
I knew this one was coming but I figured alpha or one of the CIDs would tell us about the tragedy of Lincoln

Who are you and who gave you Clitz’s password?

Lincoln has always been high on my list

WTF is wrong with you these days you almost sound like Jon


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[CID1990]

I find it interesting that someone like Trip thinks a small government Republican is one the Top 5.

That's 'cause I actually believe in an efficient, small government that works for the people. Time and time again, people confuse my prioritization of social programs with "big" government, when big government is actually bloat from defense contractors, lobbyists, and corporations inserting themselves into policy. EPA =/= big government. Patriot Act = big government. ACA =/= big government. Citizens United = big government.

Most people stop believing in unicorns around age 9 or so


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[Chizzang]

Said ^ the white guy in Georgia



I can't tell you how much this cheered me up
I knew this one was coming but I figured alpha or one of the CIDs would tell us about the tragedy of Lincoln

Who are you and who gave you Clitz’s password?

Lincoln has always been high on my list

WTF is wrong with you these days you almost sound like Jon

Firstly
It's no secret that The Citadel (as a historical body) has a deep resentment of all things Lincoln
Secondly
I read your president list previously and noted Lincoln on there
thirdly
That inspired me to take a cheap shot at you



I figured you'd just ignore me...

[JohnStOnge]

I can only speak for what I've experienced. The top 5 of my lifetime are:

Reagan
Kennedy
H.W. Bush
Clinton
Obama

And BTW the reason Kennedy ranks where he does is the Cuban Missile Crisis. That was some serious shit.

[BDKJMU]

Washington
FDR
Lincoln
Reagan
Jefferson

I got 4 of these 5 (have Madison instead of FDR):
1. Washington (as GF insinuated, slam dunk)
2. Jefferson
3. Lincoln (as a Southerner, begrudingly)
4. Madison (the 'Father of the Constitution', and I'm biased).
5. Reagan

FDR would be near my bottom..

[BDKJMU]

That's a hell of a statement. One I've never heard/read about FDR....in fact usually the opposite.

Really? If you read many of his speeches during his early campaigns and look at his correspondence with Churchill, he was well aware that war was coming but knew that Americans had no stomach for it. I thought that was common knowledge.

Yeah, to his credit, the US military began a major ramp up mid-late 1940, including instituting the draft..

[AZGrizFan]

Really? If you read many of his speeches during his early campaigns and look at his correspondence with Churchill, he was well aware that war was coming but knew that Americans had no stomach for it. I thought that was common knowledge.

Agreed, FDR's problem was how to sell the war to the rest of the nation. It took several years and ultimately Pearl Harbor for that to happen.

ANd the rumor is he KNEW PH was going to happen and let it so we’d be in deep.

[AZGrizFan]

Really? If you read many of his speeches during his early campaigns and look at his correspondence with Churchill, he was well aware that war was coming but knew that Americans had no stomach for it. I thought that was common knowledge.

Yeah, to his credit, the US military began a major ramp up mid-late 1940, including instituting the draft..

What a coincidence....

[Ibanez]

Washington
FDR
Lincoln
Reagan
Jefferson

I got 4 of these 5 (have Madison instead of FDR):
1. Washington (as GF insinuated, slam dunk)
2. Jefferson
3. Lincoln (as a Southerner, begrudingly)
4. Madison (the 'Father of the Constitution', and I'm biased).
5. Reagan

FDR would be near my bottom..

Madison is a good choice. I’ve soften my position on Lincoln as I’ve learned more about him. Having to decide to fight a civil war couldn’t have been easy. He got a raw deal starting out, Like Dubya, but I think he did the best he could.


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[Ibanez]

Really? If you read many of his speeches during his early campaigns and look at his correspondence with Churchill, he was well aware that war was coming but knew that Americans had no stomach for it. I thought that was common knowledge.

Yeah, to his credit, the US military began a major ramp up mid-late 1940, including instituting the draft..

And even during the last days of the Depression, we were out producing the Axis and Allies.


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[Ibanez]

Agreed, FDR's problem was how to sell the war to the rest of the nation. It took several years and ultimately Pearl Harbor for that to happen.

ANd the rumor is he KNEW PH was going to happen and let it so we’d be in deep.

He was also high on cocaine on Dec 7, 1941.


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[AZGrizFan]

ANd the rumor is he KNEW PH was going to happen and let it so we’d be in deep.

He was also high on cocaine on Dec 7, 1941.


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Probably. Heard he was a cokehead.

[Pwns]

I consider Abraham Lincoln among the worst ever because he is responsible for a needlessly long and bloody conflict that cost 600,000 lives.

Said ^ the white guy in Georgia



I can't tell you how much this cheered me up
I knew this one was coming but I figured alpha or one of the CIDs would tell us about the tragedy of Lincoln

Lincoln is the exterminator who damaged the sheetrock and poisoned the family dog but people think he's great because he got rid of the mouse.

[Ibanez]

He was also high on cocaine on Dec 7, 1941.


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Probably. Heard he was a cokehead.

Cocaine was medicinal. When FDRs medical records were unsealed, it was discovered that his doctor was administering it quite often.

That and his condition was more likely to be Guillan-Barre Syndrome and not polio. Pop


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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Probably. Heard he was a cokehead.

Cocaine was medicinal. When FDRs medical records were unsealed, it was discovered that his doctor was administering it quite often.

That and his condition was more likely to be Guillan-Barre Syndrome and not polio. Pop


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Is Jillian the Queer Syndrome that one where you have your head up your ass a lot? That douchebag used polio to get sympathy and nothing more,

[BDKJMU]

He was also high on cocaine on Dec 7, 1941.


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Probably. Heard he was a cokehead.

While Hitler was basically a methhead.

[kalm]

Probably. Heard he was a cokehead.

While Hitler was basically a methhead.

Like Trump.

[Ibanez]

Probably. Heard he was a cokehead.

While Hitler was basically a methhead.

You try dominating Europe sober.

[CAA Flagship]

[Chizzang]

Said ^ the white guy in Georgia



I can't tell you how much this cheered me up
I knew this one was coming but I figured alpha or one of the CIDs would tell us about the tragedy of Lincoln

Lincoln is the exterminator who damaged the sheetrock and poisoned the family dog but people think he's great because he got rid of the mouse.

So who's "the mouse" in your scenario..?



Also based on your detailed description of the situation
we can presume there was an "easier way" to have the 3.2 million enslaved human properties set free..?
I'll be right here...

[GannonFan]

I got 4 of these 5 (have Madison instead of FDR):
1. Washington (as GF insinuated, slam dunk)
2. Jefferson
3. Lincoln (as a Southerner, begrudingly)
4. Madison (the 'Father of the Constitution', and I'm biased).
5. Reagan

FDR would be near my bottom..

Madison is a good choice. I’ve soften my position on Lincoln as I’ve learned more about him. Having to decide to fight a civil war couldn’t have been easy. He got a raw deal starting out, Like Dubya, but I think he did the best he could.


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I'm not a Madison guy. First of all, I think it's a gave misnomer to call him the Father of the Constitution - Father of the Bill of Rights, absolutely, but the Constitution we ended up with ended up not having most of the stuff he thought was critical to have in the Constitution in the first place. Calling him the Father of the Constitution is just lazy and inaccurate. As for his Presidency, he stumbled into the War of 1812, he ended up stealing from Hamilton's idea, one that he opposed bitterly, and rechartered the National Bank (which Jackson would later so dramatically kill off years later), and he kept perpetuating the original Washington DC bubble/swamp that made politics and government isolated from the rest of the country and led directly to the splintering of the Democratic-Republicans and the rise of the Jacksonian Democratic party that would live on from there.

[AZGrizFan]

Lincoln is the exterminator who damaged the sheetrock and poisoned the family dog but people think he's great because he got rid of the mouse.

So who's "the mouse" in your scenario..?



I'll be right here...

That pesky slavery thingy....