Ethnicity and Voting Update

[JohnStOnge]

Why don't you try to actually rebut what I wrote. We didn't have "historic" economic growth or "historic" stock market growth under Trump.

Let's just go with the Clinton administration. During 1997 through 1999, GDP growth was 4.4%, 4.5%, and 4.8%. The value of the Dow increased by 73% during the period. During 2016 through 2019, GDP growth was 2.3%, 3.0%, and 2.2%. The value of the Dow increased by 44% over the period.

Now: Please explain to me how you conclude that GDP growth and stock market growth were better during Trump's three years prior to COVID than they were during those three Clinton years. Make your case.

You can't, because the numbers just do not support what you typed. Saying we had "historic" GDP growth and stock market growth during Trump is absurd.

Really? Do tell.....

Translation: You can't rebut what I typed because what I typed is true. The numbers are the numbers.

[UNI88]

Masseyesque?

He doesn't rank highly in opinion polls because of Watergate and I'm sure a bunch of these that try to pretend to empirically rank them really don't. They still use opinion factors and I'd wager good money that they tinker with what they put in and the formulas to get desired results. Meaning I'd bet version 1.0 of their formula might have had a Geo Washington ranked really low, or a Nixon ranked really high. So they tweak it until it passes the sniff test.

There are definite similarities between Nixon and Trump. Nixon accomplished some good things but his personality and moral failings cloud how he is viewed.

Coolidge is probably the most inaccurately ranked President. Ivy could have told us more but 89 killed him and built a cage with his bones.

Did no one get the Warren Zevon reference or was it lame?

That 89 is an excitable boy.

[89Hen]

Did no one get the Warren Zevon reference or was it lame?

That 89 is an excitable boy.

Warren Zevon is lame, so....

[UNI88]

Did no one get the Warren Zevon reference or was it lame?

That 89 is an excitable boy.

Warren Zevon is lame, so....

That's a compliment coming from Mr. Bland.

[89Hen]

Warren Zevon is lame, so....

That's a compliment coming from Mr. Bland.

I'm not musically bland at all. Far from it.

Zevon is on the list of guys you're supposed to like but I just don't get along with Randy Newman, Frank Zappa, Lou Reed....

[UNI88]

That's a compliment coming from Mr. Bland.

I'm not musically bland at all. Far from it.

Zevon is on the list of guys you're supposed to like but I just don't get along with Randy Newman, Frank Zappa, Lou Reed....

First thing I thought of when I saw your post was that you probably don't like Lou Reed either.

[AZGrizFan]

That's a compliment coming from Mr. Bland.

I'm not musically bland at all. Far from it.

Zevon is on the list of guys you're supposed to like but I just don't get along with Randy Newman, Frank Zappa, Lou Reed, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd....

FIFY....

[89Hen]

I'm not musically bland at all. Far from it.

Zevon is on the list of guys you're supposed to like but I just don't get along with Randy Newman, Frank Zappa, Lou Reed, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd....

FIFY....

You FIFY.

[mainejeff]

I don't see why y'all are so concerned about progressive Dems when the Right Wing Army is on them 24/7....???

[kalm]

Catch a fucking clue, John. Please, for the sake of all of us and our sanity here.

Relax, Z. There's nothing that makes me laugh harder than when JSO discusses his version of economic-related history.

Whoa sick burns!

Not his version. Feel free to come up with different numbers.

[kalm]

That's a compliment coming from Mr. Bland.

I'm not musically bland at all. Far from it.

Zevon is on the list of guys you're supposed to like but I just don't get along with Randy Newman, Frank Zappa, Lou Reed....

My brotha! The Velvet Underground is supposed be one of the most influential bands ever - especially for alt rock. Almost unlistenable.

This could be its own thread.

Dave Mathews Band - like MAGA there’s simply no saving these fans. Too far gone.

The Eagles. Yes there are some classic we can all sing along to but in general...snooze fest.

Black Sabbath

And a recent entry - Great Van Fleet.

[89Hen]

I'm not musically bland at all. Far from it.

Zevon is on the list of guys you're supposed to like but I just don't get along with Randy Newman, Frank Zappa, Lou Reed....

My brotha! The Velvet Underground is supposed be one of the most influential bands ever - especially for alt rock. Almost unlistenable.

This could be its own thread.

Dave Mathews Band - like MAGA there’s simply no saving these fans. Too far gone.

The Eagles. Yes there are some classic we can all sing along to but in general...snooze fest.

Black Sabbath

And a recent entry - Great Van Fleet.

I'm mostly with you but the little I've heard of GVF I liked.

[kalm]

My brotha! The Velvet Underground is supposed be one of the most influential bands ever - especially for alt rock. Almost unlistenable.

This could be its own thread.

Dave Mathews Band - like MAGA there’s simply no saving these fans. Too far gone.

The Eagles. Yes there are some classic we can all sing along to but in general...snooze fest.

Black Sabbath

And a recent entry - Great Van Fleet.

I'm mostly with you but the little I've heard of GVF I liked.

I should probably give them another chance but it’s tough getting past the Zeppelin meets Creed vibe.

[UNI88]

I'm not musically bland at all. Far from it.

Zevon is on the list of guys you're supposed to like but I just don't get along with Randy Newman, Frank Zappa, Lou Reed....

My brotha! The Velvet Underground is supposed be one of the most influential bands ever - especially for alt rock. Almost unlistenable.

This could be its own thread.

Dave Mathews Band - like MAGA there’s simply no saving these fans. Too far gone.

The Eagles. Yes there are some classic we can all sing along to but in general...snooze fest.

Black Sabbath

And a recent entry - Great Van Fleet.

You forgot the Beatles, Boston, George Michael ...

[mainejeff]

Are white trailer trash still backing Trump in droves?

[UNI88]

Are white trailer trash still backing Trump in droves?

That's racists.

[JohnStOnge]

I like this cover.

[AZGrizFan]

Relax, Z. There's nothing that makes me laugh harder than when JSO discusses his version of economic-related history.

Whoa sick burns!

Not his version. Feel free to come up with different numbers.

Yes. HIS version. Dude has zero comprehension of what underlies the actual statistics. He’s so married to the graph, he applies zero economic understanding to WHY the graph is that way. He operates under the assumption that every administration operates in a vacuum with the exact same economic stimuli or operating environment. He has less economic understanding than AOC, and that’s saying something.

[AZGrizFan]

Really? Do tell.....

Translation: You can't rebut what I typed because what I typed is true. The numbers are the numbers.

The hell you say....I’d love to hear more.

[kalm]

Whoa sick burns!

Not his version. Feel free to come up with different numbers.

Yes. HIS version. Dude has zero comprehension of what underlies the actual statistics. He’s so married to the graph, he applies zero economic understanding to WHY the graph is that way. He operates under the assumption that every administration operates in a vacuum with the exact same economic stimuli or operating environment. He has less economic understanding than AOC, and that’s saying something.

Hmmm. So would you also like to retract your assertions he was originally replying to while you’re at it?

[AZGrizFan]

Yes. HIS version. Dude has zero comprehension of what underlies the actual statistics. He’s so married to the graph, he applies zero economic understanding to WHY the graph is that way. He operates under the assumption that every administration operates in a vacuum with the exact same economic stimuli or operating environment. He has less economic understanding than AOC, and that’s saying something.

Hmmm. So would you also like to retract your assertions he was originally replying to while you’re at it?

that entire post was in jest....just enough truths to be relevant, fishing for idiots. And i caught two, apparently.

[kalm]

Hmmm. So would you also like to retract your assertions he was originally replying to while you’re at it?

that entire post was in jest....just enough truths to be relevant, fishing for idiots. And i caught two, apparently.

I knew you were trolling all along.

[mainejeff]

Are white trailer trash still backing Trump in droves?

That's racists.

I agree....they are racists.

[UNI88]

That's racists.

I agree....they are racists.

No, anyone looking down their nose at someone because of the color of their skin and their socio-economic situation is racist. It's as true for people who look down upon white people living in trailer parks as it is for people who look down upon black people living in the projects.



You are what you hate.

[AZGrizFan]

that entire post was in jest....just enough truths to be relevant, fishing for idiots. And i caught two, apparently.

I knew you were trolling all along.

For the record, that doesn't make JSO any less wrong, though.