Official CS.com Pelosi Political Death Watch Thread

[bobbythekidd]

Ron Paul.

...and just what about him is not to respect?

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Ron Paul.

...and just what about him is not to respect?

how bout him dragging that saggy-ass sack over Michele Bachmann's face about once a week? (that's been the rumor on the hill for awhile)

as for the rest of this... I'll repeat what I said in another thread, as was discussed between myself and a fairly senior dem congresscritter... "we've got an inkling they are lying to us about what is going on, however, we don't have the votes to impeach them, since no Republican will cross the line, and we can investigate them all we'd like, but they are stalling the investigations until they are out of power" (this was in april of 07)

even if pelosi did know and was fully read in... what could she have realistically done? nobody in the GOP was going to support her calling out the administration for war crimes, and in all likelyhood would have used it to scream about her being "unamerican" and that would have been that...

i realize the conkland vocal band is rubbing their stubby shillelaghs raw over the possibility of witch-hunting the hated Speaker... but all of this really begs the question... in the 5 years we were apparently torturing and the GOP controlled Congress was seated... why no investigations and why no protest? and if it's because they don't oppose torture, than really... what the fuck is their problem??? or is it more that their problem is that ol Nancy is a D?

lemme clue you conks on something you aren't thinking about... but should be... you think things are tough with nancy in charge??? Steny is the 'ol boys network... Steny and Rahm are best buddies, and they approach their politics with the same vigor... you'll go from bad, to your worst nightmare with Hoyer.

[AZGrizFan]

Ron Paul.

...and just what about him is not to respect?

Not a thing, bobby. Not a thing.

[bobbythekidd]

...and just what about him is not to respect?

Not a thing, bobby. Not a thing.

Dammit Tommy! It's BOB! How hard is that? It's three damn letters and two are the same.

[SeattleGriz]

i realize the conkland vocal band is rubbing their stubby shillelaghs raw over the possibility of witch-hunting the hated Speaker... but all of this really begs the question... in the 5 years we were apparently torturing and the GOP controlled Congress was seated... why no investigations and why no protest? and if it's because they don't oppose torture, than really... what the **** is their problem??? or is it more that their problem is that ol Nancy is a D?

Because congress doesn't investigate itself, it takes outcry from the public and if Nancy didn't know, how in the hell was the public to know anything?

Sheesh married!

[AZGrizFan]

i realize the conkland vocal band is rubbing their stubby shillelaghs raw over the possibility of witch-hunting the hated Speaker... but all of this really begs the question... in the 5 years we were apparently torturing and the GOP controlled Congress was seated... why no investigations and why no protest? and if it's because they don't oppose torture, than really... what the **** is their problem??? or is it more that their problem is that ol Nancy is a D?

Because congress doesn't investigate itself, it takes outcry from the public and if Nancy didn't know, how in the hell was the public to know anything?

Sheesh married!

Actually, it's because we don't consider waterboarding torture.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Because congress doesn't investigate itself, it takes outcry from the public and if Nancy didn't know, how in the hell was the public to know anything?

Sheesh married!

Actually, it's because we don't consider waterboarding torture.

well... i'm glad the faux outrage has been so succinctly clarified... "a deeply held conviction" that conks are entitled power...

[AZGrizFan]

Actually, it's because we don't consider waterboarding torture.

well... i'm glad the faux outrage has been so succinctly clarified... "a deeply held conviction" that conks are entitled power...

McCain would have kicked waterboarding's ASS in 'Nam....

[bobbythekidd]

McCain would have kicked waterboarding's ASS in 'Nam....

Is it grape? No, it must be the cherry....No way in hell the grape kool-aid can make you think this highly of McCain.

[AZGrizFan]

McCain would have kicked waterboarding's ASS in 'Nam....

Is it grape? No, it must be the cherry....No way in hell the grape kool-aid can make you think this highly of McCain.

McCain would kick Chuck Norris's ass.

[D1B]

well... i'm glad the faux outrage has been so succinctly clarified... "a deeply held conviction" that conks are entitled power...

McCain would have kicked waterboarding's ASS in 'Nam....

Yeah, Daddy would have bribed the Viet Cong to use "Dry" waterboarding. Chortle, chortle, chortle, snicker, and done...

[AZGrizFan]

McCain would have kicked waterboarding's ASS in 'Nam....

Yeah, Daddy would have bribed the Viet Cong to use "Dry" waterboarding. Chortle, chortle, chortle, snicker, and done...

He'd have insisted on being the top guy on the naked pyramid.

[bobbythekidd]

McCain would kick Chuck Norris's ass.

UMMMM. Dude... You need to cool it. Chuck might be checking the boards for his next kill. Chuck does not think Kool-aid is a valid excuse for smack talk.

[SeattleGriz]

Actually, it's because we don't consider waterboarding torture.

well... i'm glad the faux outrage has been so succinctly clarified... "a deeply held conviction" that conks are entitled power...

Not sure if I made it clear with my post, but I was kidding. Pretty weak argument on my part, hence the attempt at humor.

As for what you have been saying about the majority of our elected officials being decent upstanding people, well this is a chance to take down one of the bigger piece of shits. Lets get rid of the "powerbrokers" who hinder our process and make it 100% decent humans.

You know Pelosi is guilty.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

well... i'm glad the faux outrage has been so succinctly clarified... "a deeply held conviction" that conks are entitled power...

Not sure if I made it clear with my post, but I was kidding. Pretty weak argument on my part, hence the attempt at humor.

As for what you have been saying about the majority of our elected officials being decent upstanding people, well this is a chance to take down one of the bigger piece of shits. Lets get rid of the "powerbrokers" who hinder our process and make it 100% decent humans.

You know Pelosi is guilty.

guilty of WHAT?

she was the minority leader during this... dude... read up on Congress, and understand that the out-party in the HOUSE has NO POWER WHATSOEVER. She couldn't have stopped it if she tried, even if the CIA wasn't feeding them horseshit.

[SeattleGriz]

Not sure if I made it clear with my post, but I was kidding. Pretty weak argument on my part, hence the attempt at humor.

As for what you have been saying about the majority of our elected officials being decent upstanding people, well this is a chance to take down one of the bigger piece of shits. Lets get rid of the "powerbrokers" who hinder our process and make it 100% decent humans.

You know Pelosi is guilty.

guilty of WHAT?

she was the minority leader during this... dude... read up on Congress, and understand that the out-party in the HOUSE has NO POWER WHATSOEVER. She couldn't have stopped it if she tried, even if the CIA wasn't feeding them horseshit.

Guilty of knowing about waterboarding, and not saying jack. Then, if we are to believe her, trying to undermine an administration less than one year away from 9/11.

Why didn't she at the VERY LEAST, sign Harman's letter disapproving of what she learned about EIT's. That would be the upstanding thing to do. She didn't even have to voice an opposition to the war in the 2002 vote, but at least she would have been on record as opposing waterboarding.

Even a simple caveman like me who needs to read up on Congress knows that you need to have some sort of record of disapproval before you run your mouth about knowing what was going on, but not doing anything about it.

One question. Are you a lawyer?

[Appaholic]

With a few exceptions, you seem to be an equal opportunity executioner, Appy.

Is there any politician you admire or respect?

Ron Paul.

I do admire Ron Paul who is a true conservative....at least he has a backbone and a soul with no chance of being president whereas Johnny
Mac sold one and lost the other when confronted with his mouth-foaming base and still no chance of being president......

To answer your question Native, there are very few politicians on the national or state level I admire as most are career politicians who are avoiding an honest day's work IMO. Also, they are so insulated in their special interest world, they cannot relate to their constituents except in election years. So, short answer, no....I like to be an equal-opportunity muck-racker....my mantra is politicians should be changed as often as diapers and for the same reason, regardless of party affiliation.....

[CID1990]

At the end of the day, this whole thing isn't about torture anyway. It is about credibility and politics. Nancy Pelosi has been very vocal for a long time that one of the sins of the former administration was torture. The right has argued that waterboarding is not torture, and even if it WAS, it does not apply here since those animals down in Gitmo do not qualify for rights under the Geneva Conventions. So, it doesn't matter whther Pelosi knew or not in terms of whether waterboarding is torture.

What DOES matter is that in her efforts to crab walk out of what was originally just a political faux pas and branding as a hypocrite, she has now claimed that the CIA lied to her, and in effect, lied to Congress. Whether waterboarding is torture or not, if her allegations are true, then there is certainly a criminal act involved here. It is Pelosi's big mouth and poor judgment that is keeping this alive, and now that she has alleged that the CIA lied, well, now we have to find out.

I think the ironic thing here was that all during the Iraq War, Pelosi and Co. thought the CIA could do no wrong, since their whole position on 'cooking the books' about the evidence that Saddam was buying uranium from Niger depended on the integrity of the CIA. NOW the CIA is no longer the sole voice of reason in the wilderness, but one of the shady animals that inhabit it. This whole thing can only go badly for Pelosi and whomever else she chooses to drag down with her.

Word here on the Hill is that she is already on her way down.

[CID1990]

Not sure if I made it clear with my post, but I was kidding. Pretty weak argument on my part, hence the attempt at humor.

As for what you have been saying about the majority of our elected officials being decent upstanding people, well this is a chance to take down one of the bigger piece of shits. Lets get rid of the "powerbrokers" who hinder our process and make it 100% decent humans.

You know Pelosi is guilty.

guilty of WHAT?

she was the minority leader during this... dude... read up on Congress, and understand that the out-party in the HOUSE has NO POWER WHATSOEVER. She couldn't have stopped it if she tried, even if the CIA wasn't feeding them horseshit.

That's incorrect. You need to do some reading yourself. Pelosi was a senior member of the Intelligence Committee. Whether she can or cannot raise a stink about waterboarding has nothing to do with how many seats the Democrats have in the House. The fact is that she said absolutely NOTHING. She did not even tell her colleagues who were cleared for the information. She sat on it for 7 YEARS. There is no such thing as a powerless member of ANY senior committee in Congress. Dick Lugar is in the minority, yet he is the senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and nothing, NOTHING moves through there without his say so. So, the whole 'poor little 'ol me' defense from Nancy doesn't pass the smell test, and even her own colleagues are jumping ship. You don't see large numbers of House Democrats standing behind her to show solidarity during her 'twist in the wind' press conferences, do you?

Now she is spinning herself as the poor little minority leader who couldn't do anything and just a few naive folks are buying it.

[CID1990]

I forgot to mention that the one thing that is going to cook Pelosi's goose is that she has essentially turned on her own party over this. Has anyone stopped to consider who produced the 2002 CIA brief?

LEON PANETTA.

That's right, The One's own CIA director. Guess what? Panetta has come out and and essentially said that Nancy is full of sh!t. Here's the poop from The Hill:
CIA Director Leon Panetta challenged House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s accusations that the agency lied to her, writing a memo to his agents saying she received nothing but the truth.

Panetta said that “ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.”
Pelosi (D-Calif.) infuriated Republicans this week when she said in a news conference that she was “misled” by CIA officials during a briefing in 2002 about whether the U.S. was waterboarding alleged terrorist detainees.
Panetta, President Obama’s pick to run the clandestine agency and President Clinton’s former chief of staff, wrote in a memo to CIA employees Friday that “CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing ‘the enhanced techniques that had been employed,’” according to CIA records.
“We are an agency of high integrity, professionalism and dedication,” Panetta said in the memo. “Our task is to tell it like it is — even if that’s not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends on it.”

Dead Speaker Walking.

[Cleets Part 2]

I'm a Liberal
and I do not think she is fit to lead (period)


just my 2 cents as if anybody cares

[SeattleGriz]

I'm a Liberal
and I do not think she is fit to lead (period)


just my 2 cents as if anybody cares

Outside of Obama, the Democratic party is pretty weak. Pelosi and Reid aren't doing their own party much good.

[CID1990]

Actually, I have been fairly happy with Obama on a few issues, and national security so far is one of them. We still have no plan on Afghanistan, but the administration says that is forthcoming. (Amazing how hard it is to put together a plan overnight, isn't it? Easy to say "we need a plan", a little harder to actually put one together) Agreed with the administration on not releasing Gitmo pics. It is bad enough that we have shown our whole hand in terms of interrogations, but there's no way to put that cat back in the bag now. I think Obama is realizing that as a pragmatist (which he appears to be) he is going to have to hang on to some of the Bush policies in the war on terror. As a result, we have already seen how the called for immediate pullout from Iraq is no longer on the table. We are also seeing that Obama has decided to keep the military tribunals. It is going to be spun as being tweaked to provide more rights to the defendants, but this is just window dressing for the Pelosi crowd. Obama knows that if he sends terrorists into the loving arms of our civilian courts it will not be a happy political day when one of them gets turned loose.

All this being said, Nancy Pelosi is not just a liability to her party, she is also a liability to Obama. She represents the moonbattiest part of the Democratic Party, and Obama is going to have problems with that side of the house. As long as Pelosi is Speaker, the Obama administration is going to have to play ball with her and the baggage (read: interests) that she brings with her. Obama will find it much easier to pursue his agenda (leftist, but not nearly as leftist as Pelosi's) when Nancy is relegated to the House Subcommittee on Parks and Paper Clips.

As a side note.... look for Janet Napolitano to be the first cabinet member to "retire" to a consultancy.

[SeattleGriz]

[AZGrizFan]

As a side note.... look for Janet Napolitano to be the first cabinet member to "retire" to a consultancy.

CID, glad to see you posting here. And I'll say a BIG thank you for Obama ridding AZ of Napolitano. What a douche loser....and an embarrassment as "Homeland Security Czar".