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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:40 pm This is a totally new style of war. The Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) is making it so no one can move without being noticed. Of course Russia still maintains a far greater capability than Ukraine in artillery, so they can just keep inching along and chewing up Ukraine, albeit slowly.

Who are "all the military guys".
my favorite part was when they nearly surrounded kyiv and kharkiv in a brilliant feint at the beginning of the war, only to later reveal their grand strategy: a totally new style of war. inching along. slowly. with some humiliating tactical retreats along the way.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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Skjellyfetti wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2023 6:53 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:40 pm This is a totally new style of war. The Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) is making it so no one can move without being noticed. Of course Russia still maintains a far greater capability than Ukraine in artillery, so they can just keep inching along and chewing up Ukraine, albeit slowly.

Who are "all the military guys".
my favorite part was when they nearly surrounded kyiv and kharkiv in a brilliant feint at the beginning of the war, only to later reveal their grand strategy: a totally new style of war. inching along. slowly. with some humiliating tactical retreats along the way.
What does your post have to do with the fact both sides have a ton of surveillance and it's changed how war is waged?
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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Skjellyfetti wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2023 6:53 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:40 pm This is a totally new style of war. The Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) is making it so no one can move without being noticed. Of course Russia still maintains a far greater capability than Ukraine in artillery, so they can just keep inching along and chewing up Ukraine, albeit slowly.

Who are "all the military guys".
my favorite part was when they nearly surrounded kyiv and kharkiv in a brilliant feint at the beginning of the war, only to later reveal their grand strategy: a totally new style of war. inching along. slowly. with some humiliating tactical retreats along the way.
The 40-mile long convoy-in-place
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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A totally new style of war

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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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Skjellyfetti wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:40 pm A totally new style of war

:lol: You should look up the definition of the word capability. You obviously don't understand what that means.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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So how fast are the neocons going to pivot away from Ukraine, now that Israel has come under attack?
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote:So how fast are the neocons going to pivot away from Ukraine, now that Israel has come under attack?
Probably about as fast as the MAGAt yahoos pivot away from stroking putin’s pecker to carrying MBS’s water. Which side of this is he going to come down on?


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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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UNI88 wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:29 pm
SeattleGriz wrote:So how fast are the neocons going to pivot away from Ukraine, now that Israel has come under attack?
Probably about as fast as the MAGAt yahoos pivot away from stroking putin’s pecker to carrying MBS’s water. Which side of this is he going to come down on?


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Hasn’t S.A. Been working on relations with Israel?

In any event, they hate the Iranians.

The greater war is still authoritarianism. Israel is a democracy. Russia, most of the Middle East are not.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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UNI88 wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:29 pm
SeattleGriz wrote:So how fast are the neocons going to pivot away from Ukraine, now that Israel has come under attack?
Probably about as fast as the MAGAt yahoos pivot away from stroking putin’s pecker to carrying MBS’s water. Which side of this is he going to come down on?


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Wut? Not following what you're saying. All the "MAGAt yahoos" I've seen have been for negotiated peace from the start.

The war in Ukraine is pretty much over. The neocons lost and now need to pivot.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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kalm wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:28 pm
UNI88 wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:29 pm

Probably about as fast as the MAGAt yahoos pivot away from stroking putin’s pecker to carrying MBS’s water. Which side of this is he going to come down on?


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Hasn’t S.A. Been working on relations with Israel?

In any event, they hate the Uranians.

The greater war is still authoritarianism. Israel is a democracy. Russia, most of the Middle East are not.
Yes. They were very close to better relationships. This all started with Trump. He got them to realize the Palestinians were never going to be happy, so the Middle East should press on with improving relations.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:27 pm
kalm wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:28 pm

Hasn’t S.A. Been working on relations with Israel?

In any event, they hate the Uranians.

The greater war is still authoritarianism. Israel is a democracy. Russia, most of the Middle East are not.
Yes. They were very close to better relationships. This all started with Trump. He got them to realize the Palestinians were never going to be happy, so the Middle East should press on with improving relations.
I was thinking it was the international relations mastermind Kushner who was brokering the deal?
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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kalm wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:05 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:27 pm

Yes. They were very close to better relationships. This all started with Trump. He got them to realize the Palestinians were never going to be happy, so the Middle East should press on with improving relations.
I was thinking it was the international relations mastermind Kushner who was brokering the deal?
While I'm not a fan of Kushner, he was instrumental. Far more than any one in the past at normalizing those relations.

To be honest, I'd bet the whole goal was getting Saudi to realize how much more money/business they could be doing by finally ignoring the Palestinians.


We'll see how long this pause lasts.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:39 am
kalm wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:05 am
I was thinking it was the international relations mastermind Kushner who was brokering the deal?
While I'm not a fan of Kushner, he was instrumental. Far more than any one in the past at normalizing those relations.

To be honest, I'd bet the whole goal was getting Saudi to realize how much more money/business they could be doing by finally ignoring the Palestinians.

We'll see how long this pause lasts.
:nod: trump and kushner had a positive impact on peace in the Middle East. Maybe it was good intentions, maybe it was greed, maybe it was a blind squirrel finding a nut. Doesn't matter, they deserve credit for it. Hopefully Hamas and Iran don't screw it up.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:39 am
kalm wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:05 am

I was thinking it was the international relations mastermind Kushner who was brokering the deal?
While I'm not a fan of Kushner, he was instrumental. Far more than any one in the past at normalizing those relations.

To be honest, I'd bet the whole goal was getting Saudi to realize how much more money/business they could be doing by finally ignoring the Palestinians.


We'll see how long this pause lasts.
MBS and the Saudis were spreading blood money everywhere after the journalist was butchered at their embassy - no sales job necessary. :coffee:
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houndawg wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:28 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:39 am
While I'm not a fan of Kushner, he was instrumental. Far more than any one in the past at normalizing those relations.

To be honest, I'd bet the whole goal was getting Saudi to realize how much more money/business they could be doing by finally ignoring the Palestinians.

We'll see how long this pause lasts.
MBS and the Saudis were spreading blood money everywhere after the journalist was butchered at their embassy - no sales job necessary. :coffee:
I wonder whether the trump crime family or the Biden crime family got more?
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:33 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:28 pm

MBS and the Saudis were spreading blood money everywhere after the journalist was butchered at their embassy - no sales job necessary. :coffee:
I wonder whether the trump crime family or the Biden crime family got more?

You can't be serious...... 2 billion dollars vs....chickenfeed
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houndawg wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:37 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:33 pm

I wonder whether the trump crime family or the Biden crime family got more?

You can't be serious...... 2 billion dollars vs....chickenfeed
You can't be serious. Do you know what that money was invested in?
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:19 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:37 pm


You can't be serious...... 2 billion dollars vs....chickenfeed
You can't be serious. Do you know what that money was invested in?
Jared Kushner with 2 billion dollars.....I dunno, various charities and philanthropic organizations...Girl Scouts...Back the Bl...no, check that one..
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houndawg wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:40 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:19 pm

You can't be serious. Do you know what that money was invested in?
Jared Kushner with 2 billion dollars.....I dunno, various charities and philanthropic organizations...Girl Scouts...Back the Bl...no, check that one..
Of course you don't.

A good chunk of change was invested in Israel. Stop watching Maddow.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:36 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:40 pm

Jared Kushner with 2 billion dollars.....I dunno, various charities and philanthropic organizations...Girl Scouts...Back the Bl...no, check that one..
Of course you don't.

A good chunk of change was invested in Israel. Stop watching Maddow.
With blood money from Mr. Bone Saw.
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As always this “Ukraine crisis” is about the money

Re-building will be very profitable and Joey Rotten will have ole Hunter Hookers and blow right in place to score big
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:55 am As always this “Ukraine crisis” is about the money

Re-building will be very profitable and Joey Rotten will have ole Hunter Hookers and blow right in place to score big
All war is about treasure. Did you stand on the front lines with Code Pink protesting Cheney and Halliburton?
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kalm wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:43 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:55 am As always this “Ukraine crisis” is about the money

Re-building will be very profitable and Joey Rotten will have ole Hunter Hookers and blow right in place to score big
All war is about treasure. Did you stand on the front lines with Code Pink protesting Cheney and Halliburton?
Of course not, I went to the playa

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houndawg wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:13 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:36 pm

Of course you don't.

A good chunk of change was invested in Israel. Stop watching Maddow.
With blood money from Mr. Bone Saw.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:14 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:39 am

While I'm not a fan of Kushner, he was instrumental. Far more than any one in the past at normalizing those relations.

To be honest, I'd bet the whole goal was getting Saudi to realize how much more money/business they could be doing by finally ignoring the Palestinians.

We'll see how long this pause lasts.
:nod: trump and kushner had a positive impact on peace in the Middle East. Maybe it was good intentions, maybe it was greed, maybe it was a blind squirrel finding a nut. Doesn't matter, they deserve credit for it. Hopefully Hamas and Iran don't screw it up.
Yup. Hate Trump all you want but the world wasn't boiling towards WWIII (as lots of folks claimed) while he was mean tweeting away in the WH.
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