How do they hold all the cards?SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 2:53 pmWho knows what they'll accept, but they hold all the cards now. Neocons shot down an offer before the SMO started and one when the SMO was 4 months old.
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You can look in a mirror to see who lost unless you're going to argue that Ukraine fell more than 10 months ago.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 2:58 pmLooks like someone lost a hat bet!!SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:38 pm
Appearing to take Kiev seemed like a feint to freeze Ukrainian forces. I will say that what I have heard is Putin miscalculated in believing he could send forces in and the ethnic Russians were going to help. Apparently the ethnic Russians said that if Russia's forces weren't going to stay, there would be retribution on them, so they didn't help. That changed the war to what we see now. Ukrainians entrenched and Russia slowly advancing as the simply destroy their positions with artillery.
In regards to Ukraine gaining any sort of upper hand due to a long drawn out war, that has not happened and won't happen. Ukrainian forces have been decimated.
Yes, stories of frustration and dead generals are false. Russia is stomping Ukraine's ass.
Remember we have a hat bet!! I keep hearing Ukraine will be a rump state though and also hearing Russia is rotating troops and getting ready for a big offensive.
This guy's been pretty spot on and pretty much what I said.
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SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:22 pmI don't know if ALL of Ukraine will fall by end of year, but hell ya! I'll give it a whirl. It's a bet.
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Shit. Glad you found the terms.UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 3:13 pmYou can look in a mirror to see who lost unless you're going to argue that Ukraine fell more than 10 months ago.
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:22 pm
I don't know if ALL of Ukraine will fall by end of year, but hell ya! I'll give it a whirl. It's a bet.
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Ukraine has no able bodies left. Russia has been pounding the hell out of all the new guys with zero experience. Russia has all options on the table.UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 3:09 pmHow do they hold all the cards?SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 2:53 pm
Who knows what they'll accept, but they hold all the cards now. Neocons shot down an offer before the SMO started and one when the SMO was 4 months old.
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If I were a Ukrainian, I would rather die fighting then agree to peace without a guarantee that russia won't invade again. russia and putin's word isn't worth sh!t, the only guarantee that matters is NATO membership.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 4:45 pmUkraine has no able bodies left. Russia has been pounding the hell out of all the new guys with zero experience. Russia has all options on the table.
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UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:56 pmIf I were a Ukrainian, I would rather die fighting then agree to peace without a guarantee that russia won't invade again. russia and putin's word isn't worth sh!t, the only guarantee that matters is NATO membership.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 4:45 pm
Ukraine has no able bodies left. Russia has been pounding the hell out of all the new guys with zero experience. Russia has all options on the table.
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https://archive.ph/wNzUa
He admits shit I've been trying to explain to you lunkheads that ever thought Ukraine had a chance.
He admits shit I've been trying to explain to you lunkheads that ever thought Ukraine had a chance.
The commander-in-chief of Ukraine’s armed forces on how to win the war
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Let’s give them what they need to bleed Russia dry.SeattleGriz wrote:https://archive.ph/wNzUa
He admits shit I've been trying to explain to you lunkheads that ever thought Ukraine had a chance.
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Maybe we should send you over there. You can show them how it's done.UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:10 pmLet’s give them what they need to bleed Russia dry.SeattleGriz wrote:https://archive.ph/wNzUa
He admits shit I've been trying to explain to you lunkheads that ever thought Ukraine had a chance.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 2:53 pmWho knows what they'll accept, but they hold all the cards now. Neocons shot down an offer before the SMO started and one when the SMO was 4 months old.
We're going to have to fight them eventually since they won't be stopping with a piece of Ukraine if they get it. They're pretty much fish in a barrel, NATO would easily run them back to Russia without putting a single boot on the ground.
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...more dead Russian christians, thats the way you do it. Most of them in Ukraine are career criminals anyway.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:53 pm https://archive.ph/wNzUa
He admits shit I've been trying to explain to you lunkheads that ever thought Ukraine had a chance.
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now now SG, no need to get snippy - maybe you'd be more help, haven't you mentioned your experience with crew-served weapons here? Pretty sure it was you back in your "inflicting pain on Navy SEALS" phase...SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:26 pmMaybe we should send you over there. You can show them how it's done.
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Your choice. You won, so you get to pick whichever you want. That was the deal.
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You lost any way, none of Ukraine will fall by the end of the year
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Tinfoil is good.
I was thinking maybe:
- trump behind bars
- trump being sodomized by putin
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Okay. That was mildly funny. Actually I laughed pretty good at that one.
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SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 4:40 pmOkay. That was mildly funny. Actually I laughed pretty good at that one.

It even includes a perineum stimulator. I bet trump used one just like this with putin in Helsinki.
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Exactly what they should of done in the first placehoundawg wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:13 amSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 2:53 pm
Who knows what they'll accept, but they hold all the cards now. Neocons shot down an offer before the SMO started and one when the SMO was 4 months old.
We're going to have to fight them eventually since they won't be stopping with a piece of Ukraine if they get it. They're pretty much fish in a barrel, NATO would easily run them back to Russia without putting a single boot on the ground.![]()
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Whatever Hyundai says about the Ukraine war and Russia, believe the opposite. He been right less than a broken clock.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:17 pmExactly what they should of done in the first place
Stay out until they cross the line and punish them dearly if they dared too
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SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:12 pm Whatever Hyundai says about the Ukraine war and Russia, believe the opposite. He been right less than a broken clock.
and you have a sterling track record?
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