2022 Elections Thread

[UNI88]

Is she a fascist?

Her district has been deep sea blue for over 100 years, but a far-right radical turned it red in just two short years?
Really?

Fascism is a far right movement.

Trump was a Democrat at one time.

Who knows?

And violently opposed to its extreme-left counterpart, socialism.

[GannonFan]

Is she a fascist?

Her district has been deep sea blue for over 100 years, but a far-right radical turned it red in just two short years?
Really?

Fascism is a far right movement.

Trump was a Democrat at one time.

Who knows?

We've been down this road before. Only Wiki calls fascism a far right political idea and you shouldn't just default to Wiki as your go-to resource. Every other definition just stops at basically the nation and/or race/ethnic group(s) taking precedence over the individual and coupled with a strong, autocratic form of government that strictly regiments the economy and the society and forcibly suppresses any opposition. That doesn't sound just right or left to me, plenty of common ground to walk on there.

[kalm]

Fascism is a far right movement.

Trump was a Democrat at one time.

Who knows?

We've been down this road before. Only Wiki calls fascism a far right political idea and you shouldn't just default to Wiki as your go-to resource. Every other definition just stops at basically the nation and/or race/ethnic group(s) taking precedence over the individual and coupled with a strong, autocratic form of government that strictly regiments the economy and the society and forcibly suppresses any opposition. That doesn't sound just right or left to me, plenty of common ground to walk on there.

Indeed we have and you are still incorrect. Fascism historically has been right wing and still is. Nationalism is right wing. Democracy is a dirty word in many conservative circles. Does fascism share some attributes with authoritarianism which transcends ideology? Sure.


“fascism,

political ideology and mass movement that dominated many parts of central, southern, and eastern Europe between 1919 and 1945 and that also had adherents in western Europe, the United States, South Africa, Japan, Latin America, and the Middle East. Europe’s first fascist leader, Benito Mussolini, took the name of his party from the Latin word fasces, which referred to a bundle of elm or birch rods (usually containing an ax) used as a symbol of penal authority in ancient Rome. Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation. At the end of World War II, the major European fascist parties were broken up, and in some countries (such as Italy and West Germany) they were officially banned. Beginning in the late 1940s, however, many fascist-oriented parties and movements were founded in Europe as well as in Latin America and South Africa. Although some European “neofascist” groups attracted large followings, especially in Italy and France, none were as influential as the major fascist parties of the interwar period.”

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism

[UNI88]

We've been down this road before. Only Wiki calls fascism a far right political idea and you shouldn't just default to Wiki as your go-to resource. Every other definition just stops at basically the nation and/or race/ethnic group(s) taking precedence over the individual and coupled with a strong, autocratic form of government that strictly regiments the economy and the society and forcibly suppresses any opposition. That doesn't sound just right or left to me, plenty of common ground to walk on there.

Indeed we have and you are still incorrect. Fascism historically has been right wing and still is. Nationalism is right wing. Democracy is a dirty word in many conservative circles. Does fascism share some attributes with authoritarianism which transcends ideology? Sure.


“fascism,

political ideology and mass movement that dominated many parts of central, southern, and eastern Europe between 1919 and 1945 and that also had adherents in western Europe, the United States, South Africa, Japan, Latin America, and the Middle East. Europe’s first fascist leader, Benito Mussolini, took the name of his party from the Latin word fasces, which referred to a bundle of elm or birch rods (usually containing an ax) used as a symbol of penal authority in ancient Rome. Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation. At the end of World War II, the major European fascist parties were broken up, and in some countries (such as Italy and West Germany) they were officially banned. Beginning in the late 1940s, however, many fascist-oriented parties and movements were founded in Europe as well as in Latin America and South Africa. Although some European “neofascist” groups attracted large followings, especially in Italy and France, none were as influential as the major fascist parties of the interwar period.”

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism

Nationalism is not right wing. There was/is plenty of nationalism in the USSR (motherland and all that) and other left wing countries.

You keep trying to pedal this narrative that the right is worse than the left. The extremes of the right and left are equally bad.

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[kalm]

Indeed we have and you are still incorrect. Fascism historically has been right wing and still is. Nationalism is right wing. Democracy is a dirty word in many conservative circles. Does fascism share some attributes with authoritarianism which transcends ideology? Sure.


“fascism,

political ideology and mass movement that dominated many parts of central, southern, and eastern Europe between 1919 and 1945 and that also had adherents in western Europe, the United States, South Africa, Japan, Latin America, and the Middle East. Europe’s first fascist leader, Benito Mussolini, took the name of his party from the Latin word fasces, which referred to a bundle of elm or birch rods (usually containing an ax) used as a symbol of penal authority in ancient Rome. Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation. At the end of World War II, the major European fascist parties were broken up, and in some countries (such as Italy and West Germany) they were officially banned. Beginning in the late 1940s, however, many fascist-oriented parties and movements were founded in Europe as well as in Latin America and South Africa. Although some European “neofascist” groups attracted large followings, especially in Italy and France, none were as influential as the major fascist parties of the interwar period.”

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism

Nationalism is not right wing. There was/is plenty of nationalism in the USSR (motherland and all that) and other left wing countries.

You keep trying to pedal this narrative that the right is worse than the left. The extremes of the right and left are equally bad.

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This might come as a surprise to you but I do think the right is worse than the left.

[GannonFan]

We've been down this road before. Only Wiki calls fascism a far right political idea and you shouldn't just default to Wiki as your go-to resource. Every other definition just stops at basically the nation and/or race/ethnic group(s) taking precedence over the individual and coupled with a strong, autocratic form of government that strictly regiments the economy and the society and forcibly suppresses any opposition. That doesn't sound just right or left to me, plenty of common ground to walk on there.

Indeed we have and you are still incorrect. Fascism historically has been right wing and still is. Nationalism is right wing. Democracy is a dirty word in many conservative circles. Does fascism share some attributes with authoritarianism which transcends ideology? Sure.


“fascism,

political ideology and mass movement that dominated many parts of central, southern, and eastern Europe between 1919 and 1945 and that also had adherents in western Europe, the United States, South Africa, Japan, Latin America, and the Middle East. Europe’s first fascist leader, Benito Mussolini, took the name of his party from the Latin word fasces, which referred to a bundle of elm or birch rods (usually containing an ax) used as a symbol of penal authority in ancient Rome. Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation. At the end of World War II, the major European fascist parties were broken up, and in some countries (such as Italy and West Germany) they were officially banned. Beginning in the late 1940s, however, many fascist-oriented parties and movements were founded in Europe as well as in Latin America and South Africa. Although some European “neofascist” groups attracted large followings, especially in Italy and France, none were as influential as the major fascist parties of the interwar period.”

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism

So in light of you again being called out for using Wiki as a source, for a definition of all things, you cut and paste a paragraph from an encylopedia that blabbers on for a while, gives a cursory view of history (it is an encyclopedia, so depth is not a strength), and says nothing about fascism being a left or right phenomenon. Both sides of the political spectrum have and have the potential going forward to exhibit "extreme militaristic nationalism", "contempt for electoral democracy", "belief in natural social hierarchy and rule of elites", and the desire to subordinate individual interests for the "good of the nation". Nothing you just said indicates right or left. Thanks for the brief history lesson, but the definitions that aren't Wiki still are neutral on fascism as it relates to the political spectrum.

[kalm]

Indeed we have and you are still incorrect. Fascism historically has been right wing and still is. Nationalism is right wing. Democracy is a dirty word in many conservative circles. Does fascism share some attributes with authoritarianism which transcends ideology? Sure.


“fascism,

political ideology and mass movement that dominated many parts of central, southern, and eastern Europe between 1919 and 1945 and that also had adherents in western Europe, the United States, South Africa, Japan, Latin America, and the Middle East. Europe’s first fascist leader, Benito Mussolini, took the name of his party from the Latin word fasces, which referred to a bundle of elm or birch rods (usually containing an ax) used as a symbol of penal authority in ancient Rome. Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation. At the end of World War II, the major European fascist parties were broken up, and in some countries (such as Italy and West Germany) they were officially banned. Beginning in the late 1940s, however, many fascist-oriented parties and movements were founded in Europe as well as in Latin America and South Africa. Although some European “neofascist” groups attracted large followings, especially in Italy and France, none were as influential as the major fascist parties of the interwar period.”

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism

So in light of you again being called out for using Wiki as a source, for a definition of all things, you cut and paste a paragraph from an encylopedia that blabbers on for a while, gives a cursory view of history (it is an encyclopedia, so depth is not a strength), and says nothing about fascism being a left or right phenomenon. Both sides of the political spectrum have and have the potential going forward to exhibit "extreme militaristic nationalism", "contempt for electoral democracy", "belief in natural social hierarchy and rule of elites", and the desire to subordinate individual interests for the "good of the nation". Nothing you just said indicates right or left. Thanks for the brief history lesson, but the definitions that aren't Wiki still are neutral on fascism as it relates to the political spectrum.

This and the Brittanica link took me all of 30 seconds to find. Want me to do a deeper dive into some Jstor articles to satisfy you before you move the goalposts again?
M

OVERVIEW
fascism

An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.

https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10 ... 3095811414

[UNI88]

Mark Brnovich is in free fall and so are GOP prospects of retaking a Senate seat

Last week, Brnovich dropped into third place in a Republican race that he might well have won had he simply stayed in his own lane and run as himself, a traditional conservative Republican.

Early on, Brnovich was that rare Republican who was willing to tell the truth about the 2020 election, risking the wrath of his base by acknowledging that there was no grand conspiracy to defeat Trump in Arizona.
...
He could have followed the lead of Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, who defeated Trump-backed candidates peddling their stolen election schtick. He could have followed the lead of Glenn Youngkin, who kept his distance from Trump and still was elected governor of Virginia.
...
This is a race that should be the Republicans’ to win given history, an eight-point turnout advantage and a Democratic president whose approval ratings rank somewhere between dismal and I-didn’t-know-you-could-go-that-low.

Yet here they are, poised to nominate Blake Masters, a hard-right Trump pick who has no hope of knocking out Mark Kelly becasue he cannot credibly move to the middle where this race will be decided.

[UNI88]

Will some of the recent SCOTUS rulings cost Republicans moderate and independent votes in the general election and if so how much?

[kalm]

Will some of the recent SCOTUS rulings cost Republicans moderate and independent votes in the general election and if so how much?

You would think so but don’t underestimate the ability of Dems to lose elections…

[houndawg]

Will some of the recent SCOTUS rulings cost Republicans moderate and independent votes in the general election and if so how much?

I think it will among white women, who make up 40% of the total vote, but I'd have to flip a coin to tell if its enough; I hope the Democrats are smart enough to have somebody registering out-of-state women at the facilities where women have to travel, but what kalm says about the D's ability to lose elections.

[GannonFan]

Will some of the recent SCOTUS rulings cost Republicans moderate and independent votes in the general election and if so how much?

I think it will among white women, who make up 40% of the total vote, but I'd have to flip a coin to tell if its enough; I hope the Democrats are smart enough to have somebody registering out-of-state women at the facilities where women have to travel, but what kalm says about the D's ability to lose elections.

The problem is women are pretty split on those decisions as well - about half of the pro-life contingent are women and they're happy with the ruling.

We'll have to see how the economy is closer to November, that will dictate how much of a GOP wave there is. I don't think there's any chance the GOP doesn't win the House, but the Senate is much more in play.

[UNI88]

I think it will among white women, who make up 40% of the total vote, but I'd have to flip a coin to tell if its enough; I hope the Democrats are smart enough to have somebody registering out-of-state women at the facilities where women have to travel, but what kalm says about the D's ability to lose elections.

The problem is women are pretty split on those decisions as well - about half of the pro-life contingent are women and they're happy with the ruling.

We'll have to see how the economy is closer to November, that will dictate how much of a GOP wave there is. I don't think there's any chance the GOP doesn't win the House, but the Senate is much more in play.

I think it will cost them a couple of seats and possibly the Senate. It won't quite be the Red Tsunami being predicted. Will Republicans understand and shift back toward the center or will they come up with BS excuses?

[houndawg]

The problem is women are pretty split on those decisions as well - about half of the pro-life contingent are women and they're happy with the ruling.

We'll have to see how the economy is closer to November, that will dictate how much of a GOP wave there is. I don't think there's any chance the GOP doesn't win the House, but the Senate is much more in play.

I think it will cost them a couple of seats and possibly the Senate. It won't quite be the Red Tsunami being predicted. Will Republicans understand and shift back toward the center or will they come up with BS excuses?

The latter - they're the Party of the scorched-earth bitter-end christian crusaders now. Fuckers need to start paying taxes too.

[UNI88]

Shock Poll: Democrats closing gap with Republicans ahead of midterm elections

The Sienna College Research Institute poll, conducted on behalf of the New York Times between July 5 and 7 among 849 registered voters, found the race to control Congress is tight, with voters preferring Democrats to Republicans by just one percentage point, 41%-40%. Nineteen percent of respondents remain undecided.

I'd like to see the polling in the most contested races.

[Skjellyfetti]

A county clerk who was indicted on felony charges of tampering with voting equipment and then lost a bid for the Republican nomination to Colorado's top election-management post has become a fugitive from justice, court records showed on Thursday.

In a written court order, Mesa County District Judge Matthew Barrett revoked a $25,000 cash bond for Tina Peters, who is the county's Republican elected clerk and recorder, and issued a warrant for her arrest.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/police ... ce=twitter

[AZGrizFan]

I think it will cost them a couple of seats and possibly the Senate. It won't quite be the Red Tsunami being predicted. Will Republicans understand and shift back toward the center or will they come up with BS excuses?

The latter - they're the Party of the scorched-earth bitter-end christian crusaders now. Fuckers need to start paying taxes too.

coming from a fan of the party that has had continual “hearings” and trials and impeachment processes for six fucking years, that’s rich.

[kalm]

The latter - they're the Party of the scorched-earth bitter-end christian crusaders now. Fuckers need to start paying taxes too.

coming from a fan of the party that has had continual “hearings” and trials and impeachment processes for six fucking years, that’s rich.

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-fulton ... 17469.html

[houndawg]

The latter - they're the Party of the scorched-earth bitter-end christian crusaders now. Fuckers need to start paying taxes too.

coming from a fan of the party that has had continual “hearings” and trials and impeachment processes for six fucking years, that’s rich.

....about 20% of the time spent trying to hang something on Hillary. Still don't have it.

[AZGrizFan]

coming from a fan of the party that has had continual “hearings” and trials and impeachment processes for six fucking years, that’s rich.

....about 20% of the time spent trying to hang something on Hillary. Still don't have it.

Wrong. Hillary gate came and went in about a year.

[UNI88]

....about 20% of the time spent trying to hang something on Hillary. Still don't have it.

Wrong. Hillary gate came and went in about a year.

Hilarygate was a debacle but the Dems said hold my beer ...

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[houndawg]

....about 20% of the time spent trying to hang something on Hillary. Still don't have it.

Wrong. Hillary gate came and went in about a year.

Can you imagine the gibberish if Jabba the Gutt testified for 11 hours straight

It would warp spacetime

[houndawg]

Wrong. Hillary gate came and went in about a year.

Hilarygate was a debacle but the Dems said hold my beer ...

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I wish them luck but trying to do worse than 30 years ofjust not quite being able to catch Hillary is quite the high bar.....

[houndawg]

Will some of the recent SCOTUS rulings cost Republicans moderate and independent votes in the general election and if so how much?

I think it will hinge on the white women who make up 40% of the total vote. They went for Trump twice but SCOTUS should make them a coin flip this time. Way too soon to call

[AZGrizFan]

Will some of the recent SCOTUS rulings cost Republicans moderate and independent votes in the general election and if so how much?

I think it will hinge on the white women who make up 40% of the total vote. They went for Trump twice but SCOTUS should make them a coin flip this time. Way too soon to call

SCOTUS ruling didnt’ change anybody’s mind.