2025 and Beyond Domestic Rightist Violence Thread

[houndawg]

So everybody went home and we don't need these cunts in MN anymore?

You better check a map or get your owner to loosen that collar around your neck because Minnesota is in the US

The people that went home had not crossed the border yet

JFC you are dumb

...but they have now? Is English your first language?

[Caribbean Hen]

Looked like the nurse was very interested in protecting that book bag that the other person “he was trying to protect” was wearing…. It was trying to protect something all right

Why was he out in the middle of the street “directing traffic”? Just stupid bringing attention to yourself like that if you’ve got a loaded gun.

Why would he be scrapping it up with border patrol and ICE if he was carrying a weapon? You’re playing with fire when you do stupid shit like that. When the agent removed his weapon, did it go off accidentally? when you carry a gun, you better know you can die by the gun. Footnote for foaming old yeller 88, I am not saying that he was killed by his own weapon

why would his father warn a 37 year-old man, not to do anything dumb if you’re going to these protest? It is father know he was radicalized?

Why did they have two loaded magazine clips?

Just some observations for you radical America hating basement boys to think about

All of your worthless asses should be forced to work in law-enforcement for a week before you come on here and embarrass yourselves

You don't know any pof this shit because you haven't seen the vids. You're swinging at a pinata that is 1,000 miles away.

Honestly, I don’t like watching videos when people get shot

But I checked it out yesterday …. none of us know that much right now, all I’m doing is posting what I saw.

The guy didn’t have to die, all he had to do was not act stupid.

[houndawg]

You don't know any pof this shit because you haven't seen the vids. You're swinging at a pinata that is 1,000 miles away.

Honestly, I don’t like watching videos when people get shot

But I checked it out yesterday …. none of us know that much right now, all I’m doing is posting what I saw.

The guy didn’t have to die, all he had to do was not act stupid.

Bull shit - you haven't seen the vids, quit acting like you have. Shot him in the back after they took the gun.

[kalm]

Looked like the nurse was very interested in protecting that book bag that the other person “he was trying to protect” was wearing…. It was trying to protect something all right

Why was he out in the middle of the street “directing traffic”? Just stupid bringing attention to yourself like that if you’ve got a loaded gun.

Why would he be scrapping it up with border patrol and ICE if he was carrying a weapon? You’re playing with fire when you do stupid shit like that. When the agent removed his weapon, did it go off accidentally? when you carry a gun, you better know you can die by the gun. Footnote for foaming old yeller 88, I am not saying that he was killed by his own weapon

why would his father warn a 37 year-old man, not to do anything dumb if you’re going to these protest? It is father know he was radicalized?

Why did they have two loaded magazine clips?

Just some observations for you radical America hating basement boys to think about

All of your worthless asses should be forced to work in law-enforcement for a week before you come on here and embarrass yourselves

You don't know any pof this shit because you haven't seen the vids. You're swinging at a pinata that is 1,000 miles away.

It’s the same set of eyes that saw J6ers as tourists.

[Caribbean Hen]

Local law enforcement choosing not to participate and do their jobs is not helping the situation at all, which is exactly what China Tim wants ….

[BDKJMU]

This was border patrol.

Who's watching the border while they're fomenting civil war?

Trump shut the border down going on a year ago.. Something your boy Biden refused to do. Do try and keep up.

[Caribbean Hen]

Honestly, I don’t like watching videos when people get shot

But I checked it out yesterday …. none of us know that much right now, all I’m doing is posting what I saw.

The guy didn’t have to die, all he had to do was not act stupid.

Bull shit - you haven't seen the vids, quit acting like you have. Shot him in the back after they took the gun.

The nurse should of listened to his father

[BDKJMU]

Bull shit - you haven't seen the vids, quit acting like you have. Shot him in the back after they took the gun.

The nurse should of listened to his father

Like Good, the nurse shouldn’t have been on the street commie QRF on Signal.

[UNI88]

The nurse should of listened to his father

Like Good, the nurse shouldn’t have been on the street commie QRF on Signal.

US Citizens aren't supposed to be on the streets now? They're already asking citizens for "their papers". Will armed checkpoints or curfews be next?

When do they start expanding the camps to hold citizens?

This isn't the country I grew up. It's going in the opposite direction of being "great again".

[BDKJMU]

Like Good, the nurse shouldn’t have been on the street commie QRF on Signal.

US Citizens aren't supposed to be on the streets now? They're already asking citizens for "their papers". Will armed checkpoints or curfews be next?

When do they start expanding the camps to hold citizens?

This isn't the country I grew up. It's going in the opposite direction of being "great again".

Lawl they didn’t coincidentally just happen to show up where the agents were conducting enforcement ops against criminal illegal aliens They were part of the street commie QRF on Signal and FAFOed.

[UNI88]

US Citizens aren't supposed to be on the streets now? They're already asking citizens for "their papers". Will armed checkpoints or curfews be next?

When do they start expanding the camps to hold citizens?

This isn't the country I grew up. It's going in the opposite direction of being "great again".

Lawl they didn’t coincidentally just happen to show up where the agents were conducting enforcement ops against criminal illegal aliens They were part of the street commie QRF on Signal and FAFOed.

Why they showed up is irrelevant - they were exercising their Constitutional rights (speech, assembly, bear arms, etc.) and have a right to be there. Arguing that it was Pretti's fault for being there and being armed is a red herring akin to blaming a rape victim because of what they were wearing.

How do you know the agents were conducting an enforcement opp against "criminal illegal aliens"? They could have been looking to detain an immigrant who only had a civil infraction.

Regardless, anyone with a functioning brainstem can see that this could lead to curfews, armed checkpoints and detaining citizens for exercising their Constitutional rights. It's not a pretty future and we should all be stepping up to prevent the possibility from becoming reality.

[kalm]

Lawl they didn’t coincidentally just happen to show up where the agents were conducting enforcement ops against criminal illegal aliens They were part of the street commie QRF on Signal and FAFOed.

Why they showed up is irrelevant - they were exercising their Constitutional rights (speech, assembly, bear arms, etc.) and have a right to be there. Arguing that it was Pretti's fault for being there and being armed is a red herring akin to blaming a rape victim because of what they were wearing.

How do you know the agents were conducting an enforcement opp against "criminal illegal aliens"? They could have been looking to detain an immigrant who only had a civil infraction.

Regardless, anyone with a functioning brainstem can see that this could lead to curfews, armed checkpoints and detaining citizens for exercising their Constitutional rights. It's not a pretty future and we should all be stepping up to prevent the possibility from becoming reality.

All of this.

ICE doesn’t own the streets. The people own the streets.

[BDKJMU]

Lawl they didn’t coincidentally just happen to show up where the agents were conducting enforcement ops against criminal illegal aliens They were part of the street commie QRF on Signal and FAFOed.

Why they showed up is irrelevant - they were exercising their Constitutional rights (speech, assembly, bear arms, etc.) and have a right to be there. Arguing that it was Pretti's fault for being there and being armed is a red herring akin to blaming a rape victim because of what they were wearing.

How do you know the agents were conducting an enforcement opp against "criminal illegal aliens"? They could have been looking to detain an immigrant who only had a civil infraction.

Regardless, anyone with a functioning brainstem can see that this could lead to curfews, armed checkpoints and detaining citizens for exercising their Constitutional rights. It's not a pretty future and we should all be stepping up to prevent the possibility from becoming reality.

Lawl no. They are using Signal Chats to try to follow, harass, interfere, obstruct, assault, fight with the enforcement ops of ICE/CBP. No different if you and others did that to your local police department to try to keep them from enforcing the law and arresting criminals and lawbreakers

Nope- they aren’t looking to detain immigrants. Those would be folks who are here legally. They are looking to detain illegal aliens.

And anyone with a functioning brain stem could see that if MN opened their jails to ICE like every red state had done. Minneapolis wouldn’t be in this mess now. A few dozen agents could do what is taking a couple thousand now.

[BDKJMU]

Why they showed up is irrelevant - they were exercising their Constitutional rights (speech, assembly, bear arms, etc.) and have a right to be there. Arguing that it was Pretti's fault for being there and being armed is a red herring akin to blaming a rape victim because of what they were wearing.

How do you know the agents were conducting an enforcement opp against "criminal illegal aliens"? They could have been looking to detain an immigrant who only had a civil infraction.

Regardless, anyone with a functioning brainstem can see that this could lead to curfews, armed checkpoints and detaining citizens for exercising their Constitutional rights. It's not a pretty future and we should all be stepping up to prevent the possibility from becoming reality.

Lawl no. They are using Signal Chats to try to follow, harass, interfere, obstruct, assault, fight with the enforcement ops of ICE/CBP. No different if you and others did that to your local police department to try to keep them from enforcing the law and arresting criminals and lawbreakers

Nope- they aren’t looking to detain immigrants. Those would be folks who are here legally. They are looking to detain illegal aliens.

And anyone with a functioning brain stem could see that if MN opened their jails to ICE like every red state had done. Minneapolis wouldn’t be in this mess now. A few dozen agents could do what is taking a couple thousand now.

See, easy peasy.

[kalm]

A solid breakdown of the video. It’s a quick watch.

[kalm]

This is why ICE is a criminal organization.

[UNI88]

Why they showed up is irrelevant - they were exercising their Constitutional rights (speech, assembly, bear arms, etc.) and have a right to be there. Arguing that it was Pretti's fault for being there and being armed is a red herring akin to blaming a rape victim because of what they were wearing.

How do you know the agents were conducting an enforcement opp against "criminal illegal aliens"? They could have been looking to detain an immigrant who only had a civil infraction.

Regardless, anyone with a functioning brainstem can see that this could lead to curfews, armed checkpoints and detaining citizens for exercising their Constitutional rights. It's not a pretty future and we should all be stepping up to prevent the possibility from becoming reality.

Lawl no. They are using Signal Chats to try to follow, harass, interfere, obstruct, assault, fight with the enforcement ops of ICE/CBP. No different if you and others did that to your local police department to try to keep them from enforcing the law and arresting criminals and lawbreakers

Nope- they aren’t looking to detain immigrants. Those would be folks who are here legally. They are looking to detain illegal aliens.

And anyone with a functioning brain stem could see that if MN opened their jails to ICE like every red state had done. Minneapolis wouldn’t be in this mess now. A few dozen agents could do what is taking a couple thousand now.

You're moving the goalposts - you originally posted that they're conducting opps against "criminal illegal aliens" now you've changed to simply "illegal aliens".

So what if they're using Signal Chats. Protesters have every right to communicate and coordinate their efforts. Doing so isn't automatically nefarious. I'm pretty sure you dismissed the proud boy/oath keepers coordination for January 6 when they stashed guns around DC as them just being "yahoos" (and that's when MAQA yahoos was born). Are you going to twist yourself into logical pretzels trying to explain how that was harmless and what's happening in Minneapolis is dangerous?

[UNI88]

‘Unacceptable!’ Fox News Contributor Dismantles White House ‘Misrepresentation’ of MN Shooting in Stunning Takedown

I do believe that there needs to be a complete investigation. I was taken aback by the White House who initially put out what I defined as misrepresentation of what took place there when you look at the video. It was said that Mr. Pretti was banishing a weapon. Well, he was not brandishing the weapon. Yes, he did have a weapon. It was said by the White House that Mr. Pretti attacked those agents. No, he did not attack those agents. And one of the White House individuals called Mr. Pretti a domestic terrorist…this man is dead, he has a family, and to go out and call him a domestic terrorist without giving any more information is just unacceptable!”

And then Jon, when I looked at the video, what you saw was an agent pushing a woman side, Mr. Pretti getting sprayed, them jumping on top of Mr Pretti. And this is something that our audience should see with their own eyes. You can see where one of the agents actually physically takes Mr. Pretti’s gun. And that is before he shot. And then all of a sudden he’s shot, there’s a pause and there are more bullets that are shot in his direction.
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“The question I’ve asked a number of times today, Ted, is who goes to a protest and brings a gun?” Scott asked. “I mean, was he not asking for some kind of trouble in that situation?”

Williams did not believe that to be the case at all.

“I really don’t think so, Jon,” Williams said. “Look, I’ve been on this channel on numerous occasions where we talk about the Second Amendment and the right to carry firearms. And I’ve known people to go to demonstrations before in the past and to have firearms with them. He didn’t do anything with that firearm. That man is dead. And there’s a question mark as to whether he should have been killed under these circumstances.

[Gil Dobie]

This is why you don't bring a gun when you interfere with law enforcement. Just having a gun can lead to tragedy.

AP reported a voice is heard saying "gun, gun" right before the first shot.

[UNI88]

This is why you don't bring a gun when you interfere with law enforcement. Just having a gun can lead to tragedy.

AP reported a voice is heard saying "gun, gun" right before the first shot.

I will ask again (and again if needed) ...

How did Pretti interfere with / obstruct law enforcement?
- By being there? No
- By filming? No
- By helping a woman who had been shoved to the ground up? No
- By carrying a weapon with a valid permit? No

So tell us, what exactly did he do to interfere / obstruct law enforcement?

More importantly, what threat did he actually pose to the agents at the time that he was shot?
- Was he still armed? No
- Could he have lunged for his weapon? Doesn't look like it
- Could he have physically overpowered the 7 or so agents who were standing over him? No
- Was he even facing the agents or was his back to the agents?

How do you justify shooting an unarmed man?


The state/local prosecutor is likely to ask and/or consider these questions as is the federal judge assigned to the case.

[Gil Dobie]

This is why you don't bring a gun when you interfere with law enforcement. Just having a gun can lead to tragedy.

AP reported a voice is heard saying "gun, gun" right before the first shot.

I will ask again (and again if needed) ...

How did Pretti interfere with / obstruct law enforcement?
- By being there? No
- By filming? No
- By helping a woman who had been shoved to the ground up? No
- By carrying a weapon with a valid permit? No

So tell us, what exactly did he do to interfere / obstruct law enforcement?

More importantly, what threat did he actually pose to the agents at the time that he was shot?
- Was he still armed? No
- Could he have lunged for his weapon? Doesn't look like it
- Could he have physically overpowered the 7 or so agents who were standing over him? No
- Was he even facing the agents or was his back to the agents?

How do you justify shooting an unarmed man?


The state/local prosecutor is likely to ask and/or consider these questions as is the federal judge assigned to the case.

I said interfering. If you are getting between law enforcement and a person they are having an encounter with, you are interfering.

Also, this happened before the final scuffle.

One officer, wearing a dark-colored jacket and light-brown beanie, is seen placing a hand on Pretti’s torso and pushing him backwards out of the street as Pretti records with his phone. “Do not touch me,” Pretti shouts at the officer, adding, “I am out of the traffic… you are the one who is in the traffic.”

If you are in a scuffle with law enforcement and they find a gun, and gun is mentioned more than once, tragedy can happen.

[UNI88]

I will ask again (and again if needed) ...

How did Pretti interfere with / obstruct law enforcement?
- By being there? No
- By filming? No
- By helping a woman who had been shoved to the ground up? No
- By carrying a weapon with a valid permit? No

So tell us, what exactly did he do to interfere / obstruct law enforcement?

More importantly, what threat did he actually pose to the agents at the time that he was shot?
- Was he still armed? No
- Could he have lunged for his weapon? Doesn't look like it
- Could he have physically overpowered the 7 or so agents who were standing over him? No
- Was he even facing the agents or was his back to the agents?

How do you justify shooting an unarmed man?

The state/local prosecutor is likely to ask and/or consider these questions as is the federal judge assigned to the case.

I said interfering. If you are getting between law enforcement and a person they are having an encounter with, you are interfering.

Also, this happened before the final scuffle.

One officer, wearing a dark-colored jacket and light-brown beanie, is seen placing a hand on Pretti’s torso and pushing him backwards out of the street as Pretti records with his phone. “Do not touch me,” Pretti shouts at the officer, adding, “I am out of the traffic… you are the one who is in the traffic.”

If you are in a scuffle with law enforcement and they find a gun, and gun is mentioned more than once, tragedy can happen.

Helping a woman that a masked man shoved to the ground is interfering? I was raised to believe that was being gentleman and considerate human being.

Yes, tragedy can happen and it he'd still be alive if he hadn't been there but his exercising his 2nd Amendment rights doesn't justify the shooting. He had a valid permit. He did not pull the weapon. It appeared that his head was down and he was looking at the pavement not the agents. He was holding his phone and using it as a camera. He had already been disarmed.

How on God's green earth could a rational person blame him for getting shot?

[Gil Dobie]

I said interfering. If you are getting between law enforcement and a person they are having an encounter with, you are interfering.

Also, this happened before the final scuffle.

One officer, wearing a dark-colored jacket and light-brown beanie, is seen placing a hand on Pretti’s torso and pushing him backwards out of the street as Pretti records with his phone. “Do not touch me,” Pretti shouts at the officer, adding, “I am out of the traffic… you are the one who is in the traffic.”

If you are in a scuffle with law enforcement and they find a gun, and gun is mentioned more than once, tragedy can happen.

Helping a woman that a masked man shoved to the ground is interfering? I was raised to believe that was being gentleman and considerate human being.

Yes, tragedy can happen and it he'd still be alive if he hadn't been there but his exercising his 2nd Amendment rights doesn't justify the shooting. He had a valid permit. He did not pull the weapon. It appeared that his head was down and he was looking at the pavement not the agents. He was holding his phone and using it as a camera. He had already been disarmed.

How on God's green earth could a rational person blame him for getting shot?

I'm not justifying the shooting. He was interfering, making law enforcement change what they were doing to speak to him, a point you ignored in your response. The point that an officer confronted him prior to the final scuffle.

[UNI88]

Helping a woman that a masked man shoved to the ground is interfering? I was raised to believe that was being gentleman and considerate human being.

Yes, tragedy can happen and it he'd still be alive if he hadn't been there but his exercising his 2nd Amendment rights doesn't justify the shooting. He had a valid permit. He did not pull the weapon. It appeared that his head was down and he was looking at the pavement not the agents. He was holding his phone and using it as a camera. He had already been disarmed.

How on God's green earth could a rational person blame him for getting shot?

I'm not justifying the shooting. He was interfering, making law enforcement change what they were doing to speak to him, a point you ignored in your response. The point that an officer confronted him prior to the final scuffle.

I'm not sure I'd call that interfering. If it is then I've interfered with law enforcement in the past by having the temerity to speak to them and ask questions while they were engaged in law enforcement activity. Fortunately, rather than shooting me dead, the officers took no offense and answered my questions while proceeding with their activity. As a citizen I should have the ability if not the right to address law enforcement and to question their actions. Their job first and foremost, is to serve and protect me and other citizens.

More importantly, focusing on whether he interfered with the officers is a rabbit hole that DHS wants us to go down to shift the focus away from the bigger question of was the shooting and the agents other actions justified?

[Gil Dobie]

I'm not justifying the shooting. He was interfering, making law enforcement change what they were doing to speak to him, a point you ignored in your response. The point that an officer confronted him prior to the final scuffle.

I'm not sure I'd call that interfering. If it is then I've interfered with law enforcement in the past by having the temerity to speak to them and ask questions while they were engaged in law enforcement activity. Fortunately, rather than shooting me dead, the officers took no offense and answered my questions while proceeding with their activity. As a citizen I should have the ability if not the right to address law enforcement and to question their actions. Their job first and foremost, is to serve and protect me and other citizens.

More importantly, focusing on whether he interfered with the officers is a rabbit hole that DHS wants us to go down to shift the focus away from the bigger question of was the shooting and the agents other actions justified?

Talking is different than an officer removing you from a street. When you own a gun, you need to be responsible for your actions when you carry. Having a gun in an area of Minneapolis with high tension is not on my list of places to bring a fire arm. Tragedy can happen, and it did.