The nub of the climate change thing problem

[D1B]

Any climate scientist will also tell you...
Right after they tell you it is likely accelerated by human activity
they will tell you its far too late to change anything now

And - its too late to worry about it now
Like all science and research, we are better at determining things that "already happened"
and this is pretty much the case here...

Full Speed Ahead

Good, let's all just shut the fuck up about it, then.

Well, people with children, you know-the victims who inherit this cesspool the conks made, should continue dialogue.

[Chizzang]

Any climate scientist will also tell you...
Right after they tell you it is likely accelerated by human activity
they will tell you its far too late to change anything now

And - its too late to worry about it now
Like all science and research, we are better at determining things that "already happened"
and this is pretty much the case here...

Full Speed Ahead

Good, let's all just shut the fuck up about it, then.

Okee Dokee...
You'll want to get with T-Man on that

Oh and according to population growth charts
in 100 years the Religion of Peace will constitute 70% of the global population

Awesome..!!!!

[travelinman67]

And the war begins...

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/20/us ... ?referrer=

[BDKJMU]

Green peace founder:
Why I am a Climate Change Skeptic
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-art ... ge-skeptic" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[kalm]

Green peace founder:
Why I am a Climate Change Skeptic
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-art ... ge-skeptic" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Heartland Insitute.

[Chizzang]

Green peace founder:
Why I am a Climate Change Skeptic
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-art ... ge-skeptic" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Heartland Insitute.

Patrick Moore is a long time North West ecological activist - indeed - this cannot be disputed
He is however NOT a founding member of Green Peace - He is a founding member of Greenpeace Canada

His work in the Pacific Northwest has been significant indeed and should not be discounted

However please note:
When the Climate Change INDUSTRY became a big money proposition guys like Patrick Moore became extremely valuable to the debate and their long time work in the field was powerful

Patrick started an Environmental "Consulting Firm" for hire...
This firm is a fully for profit business and will construct a debate platform for you - be it Pro or Con - environmentally speaking... Patrick discovered that there is almost NO END to the amount of money Oil Processing companies in Canada will spend (virtually unlimited funds) to have a guy like him on their side

Patrick Moore is a smart man
and his Consulting Firm takes in about 5 million dollars a year
and has 4 employees - two of whom simply work the phones

He is for hire... to the highest bidder (God bless the man) and I don't blame him
For 5 Mil a year I'd say damn near anything you wanted me to say

[kalm]

Heartland Insitute.

Patrick Moore is a long time North West ecological activist - indeed - this cannot be disputed
He is however NOT a founding member of Green Peace - He is a founding member of Greenpeace Canada

His work in the Pacific Northwest has been significant indeed and should not be discounted

However please note:
When the Climate Change INDUSTRY became a big money proposition guys like Patrick Moore became extremely valuable to the debate and their long time work in the field was powerful

Patrick started an Environmental "Consulting Firm" for hire...
This firm is a fully for profit business and will construct a debate platform for you - be it Pro or Con - environmentally speaking... Patrick discovered that there is almost NO END to the amount of money Oil Processing companies in Canada will spend (virtually unlimited funds) to have a guy like him on their side

Patrick Moore is a smart man
and his Consulting Firm takes in about 5 million dollars a year
and has 4 employees - two of whom simply work the phones

He is for hire... to the highest bidder (God bless the man) and I don't blame him
For 5 Mil a year I'd say damn near anything you wanted me to say

Don't forget timber and mining.

[kalm]

Heartland Insitute.

Patrick Moore is a long time North West ecological activist - indeed - this cannot be disputed
He is however NOT a founding member of Green Peace - He is a founding member of Greenpeace Canada

His work in the Pacific Northwest has been significant indeed and should not be discounted

However please note:
When the Climate Change INDUSTRY became a big money proposition guys like Patrick Moore became extremely valuable to the debate and their long time work in the field was powerful

Patrick started an Environmental "Consulting Firm" for hire...
This firm is a fully for profit business and will construct a debate platform for you - be it Pro or Con - environmentally speaking... Patrick discovered that there is almost NO END to the amount of money Oil Processing companies in Canada will spend (virtually unlimited funds) to have a guy like him on their side

Patrick Moore is a smart man
and his Consulting Firm takes in about 5 million dollars a year
and has 4 employees - two of whom simply work the phones

He is for hire... to the highest bidder (God bless the man) and I don't blame him
For 5 Mil a year I'd say damn near anything you wanted me to say

Our buddy, Dr. Patrick Moore

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/lobb ... m=facebook" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Chizzang]

Patrick Moore is a long time North West ecological activist - indeed - this cannot be disputed
He is however NOT a founding member of Green Peace - He is a founding member of Greenpeace Canada

His work in the Pacific Northwest has been significant indeed and should not be discounted

However please note:
When the Climate Change INDUSTRY became a big money proposition guys like Patrick Moore became extremely valuable to the debate and their long time work in the field was powerful

Patrick started an Environmental "Consulting Firm" for hire...
This firm is a fully for profit business and will construct a debate platform for you - be it Pro or Con - environmentally speaking... Patrick discovered that there is almost NO END to the amount of money Oil Processing companies in Canada will spend (virtually unlimited funds) to have a guy like him on their side

Patrick Moore is a smart man
and his Consulting Firm takes in about 5 million dollars a year
and has 4 employees - two of whom simply work the phones

He is for hire... to the highest bidder (God bless the man) and I don't blame him
For 5 Mil a year I'd say damn near anything you wanted me to say

Our buddy, Dr. Patrick Moore

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/lobb ... m=facebook" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yup...
That's Lobbyist and shill for hire by the highest bidder Dr. Patrick Moore
Presently he's the darling of the Right Wing Oil Industry and Climate Change team

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOX_gkvI6Kk[/youtube]

[travelinman67]

Top scientists start to examine fiddled global warming figures

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/1156 ... gures.html

(Partial excerpt)

By Christopher Booker
8:14PM BST 25 Apr 2015

The Global Warming Policy Foundation has enlisted an international team of five distinguished scientists to carry out a full inquiry

Last month, we are told, the world enjoyed “its hottest March since records began in 1880”. This year, according to “US government scientists”, already bids to outrank 2014 as “the hottest ever”. The figures from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) were based, like all the other three official surface temperature records on which the world’s scientists and politicians rely, on data compiled from a network of weather stations by NOAA’s Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN).
But here there is a puzzle. These temperature records are not the only ones with official status. The other two, Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) and the University of Alabama (UAH), are based on a quite different method of measuring temperature data, by satellites. And these, as they have increasingly done in recent years, give a strikingly different picture. Neither shows last month as anything like the hottest March on record, any more than they showed 2014 as “the hottest year ever”.
Back in January and February, two items in this column attracted more than 42,000 comments to the Telegraph website from all over the world. The provocative headings given to them were “Climategate the sequel: how we are still being tricked by flawed data on global warming” and “The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest scientific scandal”.
My cue for those pieces was the evidence multiplying from across the world that something very odd has been going on with those official surface temperature records, all of which ultimately rely on data compiled by NOAA’s GHCN. Careful analysts have come up with hundreds of examples of how the original data recorded by 3,000-odd weather stations has been “adjusted”, to exaggerate the degree to which the Earth has actually been warming. Figures from earlier decades have repeatedly been adjusted downwards and more recent data adjusted upwards, to show the Earth having warmed much more dramatically than the original data justified....

[CID1990]

I just looked at a map of all the places that would drown if the ice caps melt.

I believe we need to rethink our position on AGW being a net bad thing

[AZGrizFan]

I just looked at a map of all the places that would drown if the ice caps melt.

I believe we need to rethink our position on AGW being a net bad thing

I am on record as stating the best thing that could happen to this planet would be for ocean levels to go up about 20 feet.

[Skjellyfetti]

I just looked at a map of all the places that would drown if the ice caps melt.

I believe we need to rethink our position on AGW being a net bad thing

Yeah, fuck The Citadel, amirite?

[Chizzang]

I just looked at a map of all the places that would drown if the ice caps melt.

I believe we need to rethink our position on AGW being a net bad thing

I am on record as stating the best thing that could happen to this planet would be for ocean levels to go up about 20 feet.

Well actually... um
they levels rise so slowly that people move along to other places
its not like a tidal wave

[AZGrizFan]

I am on record as stating the best thing that could happen to this planet would be for ocean levels to go up about 20 feet.

Well actually... um
they levels rise so slowly that people move along to other places
its not like a tidal wave

I know. Fuck. If it could happen overnight it'd be a lot more effective. I'm doing my best to make that happen.

[CID1990]

I am on record as stating the best thing that could happen to this planet would be for ocean levels to go up about 20 feet.

Well actually... um
they levels rise so slowly that people move along to other places
its not like a tidal wave

Well I was being tongue in cheek

But yeah ok

You've blinded me with science

[AZGrizFan]

Well actually... um
they levels rise so slowly that people move along to other places
its not like a tidal wave

Well I was being tongue in cheek

But yeah ok

You've blinded me with science

[Chizzang]

Well actually... um
they levels rise so slowly that people move along to other places
its not like a tidal wave

Well I was being tongue in cheek

But yeah ok

You've blinded me with science

We've all see the "Island might tip over" guy...
After that shocking discovery of stupidity
I like to error on the side of caution gentlemen

Please carry on...

[Pwns]

I just looked at a map of all the places that would drown if the ice caps melt.

I believe we need to rethink our position on AGW being a net bad thing

[CID1990]

Well I was being tongue in cheek

But yeah ok

You've blinded me with science

We've all see the "Island might tip over" guy...
After that shocking discovery of stupidity
I like to error on the side of caution gentlemen

Please carry on...

And I thought you knew me by now

[travelinman67]

Congressional action to block EPA's use of non-public "science" to craft regulations...

http://reason.com/blog/2015/04/29/senat ... -s#comment

[travelinman67]

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... -again.php

[kalm]

Congressional action to block EPA's use of non-public "science" to craft regulations...

http://reason.com/blog/2015/04/29/senat ... -s#comment

I agree with this bill. The data and studies used to produce regulation should be public.

[JohnStOnge]

Congressional action to block EPA's use of non-public "science" to craft regulations...

http://reason.com/blog/2015/04/29/senat ... -s#comment

I agree with this bill. The data and studies used to produce regulation should be public.

Yes and the big thing is making sure the data are public. If a federal regulatory agency is going to promulgate regulations based on its analysis of data those data should be readily available so that others can conduct independent analysis of it.

As an aside, I also think that Congress ought to have to "sign off" on every Federal regulation promulgated. Right now Federal agencies have to take comments but they don't really have to take them into account. There IS no real check on Federal agencies when it comes to promulgating regulations. To me, Congress should have to "sign off." Congress makes the law and the Federal agencies are promulgating regulations to implement the law. Every single regulation ought to have to be "cleared" by Congress before it goes into effect. That would put a meaningful check on Federal regulatory agencies. People with issues could then petition Congress to reject Federal regulation. And that's how it should be.

[travelinman67]

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/0 ... UzJJZFlDJv

Australia PM advisor says climate change a U.N.-led ruse to create new world order

SYDNEY – Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s top business adviser on Friday claimed climate change was a ruse encouraged by the United Nations to create a new authoritarian world order under its control.
Maurice Newman, chairman of the Prime Minister’s Business Advisory Council, said the real agenda was “concentrated political authority. Global warming is the hook.”
In a column for The Australian newspaper to coincide with a visit by U.N. climate chief Christiana Figueres, he added that the world had been “subjected to extravagance from climate catastrophists for close to 50 years.”
“It’s a well-kept secret, but 95 percent of the climate models we are told prove the link between human CO2 emissions and catastrophic global warming have been found, after nearly two decades of temperature stasis, to be in error,” he said, without providing evidence.
Newman, a former chairman of the Australian Broadcasting Corp., is a known climate change skeptic but he went further Friday by accusing the U.N. of being involved in a scam.“
Figueres is on record saying democracy is a poor political system for fighting global warming. Communist China, she says, is the best model,” he wrote. “This is not about facts or logic. It’s about a new world order under the control of the U.N. It is opposed to capitalism and freedom and has made environmental catastrophism a household topic to achieve its objective.”Figueres, in charge of getting a global emissions reduction agreement in Paris in December, was in Australia to meet business leaders and the public to discuss practical climate change action.
With its use of coal-fired power and relatively small population, Australia is one of the world’s worst per capita greenhouse gas polluters and has been increasingly isolated over its perceived reluctance to do more to tackle the climate threat.
In an interview with the ABC this week, Figueres said the nation had no option other than to gradually step back from coal — a key economic driver.Newman said “hopefully, like India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Tony Abbott isn’t listening” to the U.N.
But he warned that “having gained so much ground, eco-catastrophists won’t let up.”“After all, they have captured the U.N. and are extremely well-funded. They have a hugely powerful ally in the White House,” he said.“They will continue to present the climate change movement as an independent, spontaneous consensus of concerned scientists, politicians and citizens who believe human activity is ‘extremely likely’ to be the dominant cause of global warming.“And they will keep mobilizing public opinion using fear and appeals to morality.”