Coronavirus COVID-19

[89Hen]

Go away fisherman

So you’ve got NOTHING on either count.

Got it.

I've got nothing for you because your bait is old and stinky. You don't like my answer so you're going to pout.

[Ivytalk]

You would do well to absorb some of it.

Bull Sheet. Cid magically pulled "American Statists" out his butt. It is selfish, and sure ain't patriotic

For nearly 200 years the state has held all men (and women, and minorities, too, even 3/5's of some) equal, and that ""Out of many, one""

This "magic" libertarian spirit is bogus. Take us back to the '90s -- the 1890's, or even the 1790's. HA! Wild west douche-bags ... Git yer guns and Bibles, Whitey!

You are a frickin’ idiot. Go back and fix your still. It’s leaking. You didn’t build that.

[Ivytalk]

You would do well to absorb some of it.

I absorb and consider it all. I even allow it to change my thinking sometimes.

You would do well go learn a new trick from time to time Mr. Snarky McCheerleader.

Oh, aren’t we open-minded today!

Go sell that bullshit someplace else. We’re all full-up here.

[kalm]

So you’ve got NOTHING on either count.

Got it.

I've got nothing for you because your bait is old and stinky. You don't like my answer so you're going to pout.

The best bait is old and stinky. And here you are.

[kalm]

I absorb and consider it all. I even allow it to change my thinking sometimes.

You would do well go learn a new trick from time to time Mr. Snarky McCheerleader.

Oh, aren’t we open-minded today!

Go sell that bullshit someplace else. We’re all full-up here.

Another substantive contribution to the topic.

[Winterborn]

I've got nothing for you because your bait is old and stinky. You don't like my answer so you're going to pout.

The best bait is old and stinky. And here you are.

[mainejeff]

If we are going to rely on people doing their "patriotic duty".....we are fucked. The pictures from this past weekend tell us all we need to know.

Why not?

We’ve moved mountains and won righteous wars on it

I’m not surprised by your lack of faith and creativity though

Americans can be just as lockstep as the Chinese... but you have to convince them. That’s the difference

The command method of people like you is a lazy failure of vision and it comes from a lack of understanding of a culture you grew up in but still somehow do not understand. It really comes as no surprise that you would reject the idea that leadership in a free society means convincing people to follow, not commanding them

Lazy thinking is the refuge of dictators


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Drama Queen much?

Wear a damn mask and keep your distance mutha fuckas!......not sure how that is a dictatorship? To me it is common sense, decency and respect for other humans......figures people like you don't understand that though.

[Winterborn]

And still no deaths.

Not sure what you mean by no deaths.

I have to take that back, there has been one death in Cass County so far and that was May 21st. The deceased was a 80 year old man with had underlying health conditions. And I know you realize that more positive cases does not mean that there will be the same increase in fatalities. As Paul Harvey says, now for the rest of the story....

A bit of background for non-residents. ND has a population of 762,062 and the reason that it is infection rate is climbing in ND is that they are doing so much more testing. As of the latest update there has been 66,350 tested, 63,890 negative, 1,551 recovered (2 of which I know). I know of 28 cases personally (of people working in nursing homes) that tested positive but are completely asymptomatic. Only 54 people have died so far. The breakdown is 35 were 80+, 11 age 70-79, 3 age 60-69, 2 age 50-59, and 3 age 40-49. There has been zero deaths under that and 1354 have tested positive in those age groups with 884 fully recovered.

Only 41 people are currently hospitalized with the "Wuhun Flu" in the entire state. Total hospitalized since the beginning, only 154. ND has one of the highest testing rates per population (around 11.5% of the population if my math is correct, if not blame the beer ). One of the local hospital groups that operate here in ND, is laying off 900 people (178 in Fargo alone) due to lack of "business". I fully expect there to be more fatalities due to the age groups that are affected but glossing over the other social and economic outcomes is not the correct course of action (for the record ND is following the correct path IMHO).

Minnesota on the other hand seems to be following the NY model of allowing nursing homes to accept COVID patients despite the knowledge that the elderly are more susceptible.

Despite the devastating death toll, Minnesota nursing homes are still being allowed by state regulators to admit coronavirus patients who have been discharged from hospitals.

Early in the pandemic, the Minnesota Department of Health turned to nursing homes and other long-term care facilities to relieve the burden on hospitals that were at risk of being overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients. Minnesota hospitals have since discharged dozens of infected patients to nursing homes, including facilities that have undergone large and deadly outbreaks of the disease, state records show.

https://www.startribune.com/minn-nursin ... 570601282/

[Ivytalk]

Oh, aren’t we open-minded today!

Go sell that bullshit someplace else. We’re all full-up here.

Another substantive contribution to the topic.

Haven’t seen many from you lately. You either post a link and run, or play tit-for-tat bitch-slapping with your ideological opponents.

But, anyway, this thread is running out of steam. You’re either a pro-guvmint, freedom-is-selfish lockdown supporter, or a masks-are-for-pussies granny-killer. Pause the thread until we have a second wave.

[mainejeff]

Another substantive contribution to the topic.

Haven’t seen many from you lately. You either post a link and run, or play tit-for-tat bitch-slapping with your ideological opponents.

But, anyway, this thread is running out of steam. You’re either a pro-guvmint, freedom-is-selfish lockdown supporter, or a masks-are-for-pussies granny-killer. Pause the thread until we have a second wave.

Is it possible to have common sense to protect oneself and others without being labeled "a pro-guvmint, freedom-is-selfish lockdown supporter"? Seriously.

[Ivytalk]

Haven’t seen many from you lately. You either post a link and run, or play tit-for-tat bitch-slapping with your ideological opponents.

But, anyway, this thread is running out of steam. You’re either a pro-guvmint, freedom-is-selfish lockdown supporter, or a masks-are-for-pussies granny-killer. Pause the thread until we have a second wave.

Is it possible to have common sense to protect oneself and others without being labeled "a pro-guvmint, freedom-is-selfish lockdown supporter"? Seriously.

Not in your case. You’ve never been serious.

[kalm]

Another substantive contribution to the topic.

Haven’t seen many from you lately. You either post a link and run, or play tit-for-tat bitch-slapping with your ideological opponents.

But, anyway, this thread is running out of steam. You’re either a pro-guvmint, freedom-is-selfish lockdown supporter, or a masks-are-for-pussies granny-killer. Pause the thread until we have a second wave.

1) I’m post partisan.

2). I think there’s a middle ground based in the best available data sans politics. That’s why I post links. If somebody cares to dispute them I’m listening. That literally hasn’t happened much If at all.

[CID1990]

So shilly shally around with it all you like, klam. But leadership is convincing Americans that it is their patriotic duty to wear the mask. Not telling them to do it, or else

Where would we find this "leadership" you speak of..?
where would it preside ?

That’s a question for another thread

But the short answer is that we have none.. but that doesn’t change my point.

We are not an authoritarian state. Attempting authoritarian strategies will produce much more resistance than making your case and then letting Americans be at liberty to do what’s right.

I think that just about any President up until GWB could have done this to good effect.


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[Gil Dobie]

Not sure what you mean by no deaths.

I have to take that back, there has been one death in Cass County so far and that was May 21st. The deceased was a 80 year old man with had underlying health conditions. And I know you realize that more positive cases does not mean that there will be the same increase in fatalities. As Paul Harvey says, now for the rest of the story....

A bit of background for non-residents. ND has a population of 762,062 and the reason that it is infection rate is climbing in ND is that they are doing so much more testing. As of the latest update there has been 66,350 tested, 63,890 negative, 1,551 recovered (2 of which I know). I know of 28 cases personally (of people working in nursing homes) that tested positive but are completely asymptomatic. Only 54 people have died so far. The breakdown is 35 were 80+, 11 age 70-79, 3 age 60-69, 2 age 50-59, and 3 age 40-49. There has been zero deaths under that and 1354 have tested positive in those age groups with 884 fully recovered.

Only 41 people are currently hospitalized with the "Wuhun Flu" in the entire state. Total hospitalized since the beginning, only 154. ND has one of the highest testing rates per population (around 11.5% of the population if my math is correct, if not blame the beer ). One of the local hospital groups that operate here in ND, is laying off 900 people (178 in Fargo alone) due to lack of "business". I fully expect there to be more fatalities due to the age groups that are affected but glossing over the other social and economic outcomes is not the correct course of action (for the record ND is following the correct path IMHO).

Minnesota on the other hand seems to be following the NY model of allowing nursing homes to accept COVID patients despite the knowledge that the elderly are more susceptible.

Despite the devastating death toll, Minnesota nursing homes are still being allowed by state regulators to admit coronavirus patients who have been discharged from hospitals.

Early in the pandemic, the Minnesota Department of Health turned to nursing homes and other long-term care facilities to relieve the burden on hospitals that were at risk of being overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients. Minnesota hospitals have since discharged dozens of infected patients to nursing homes, including facilities that have undergone large and deadly outbreaks of the disease, state records show.

https://www.startribune.com/minn-nursin ... 570601282/

The Fargo hospitals are busy with covid-19 patients from outside of North Dakota, that is causing stress in that area. I assume Grand Forks has a regional number of patients too.

I had not heard that Minnesota nursing homes were getting Covid-19 patients. St Paul repurposed an old hospital into a Covid-19 only hospital, and Rochester's Mayo Clinic converted a couple arena's at the county fair for corona virus. Good link.

Bismarck Tribune says 43 Cass County deaths.

[kalm]

Not sure what you mean by no deaths.

I have to take that back, there has been one death in Cass County so far and that was May 21st. The deceased was a 80 year old man with had underlying health conditions. And I know you realize that more positive cases does not mean that there will be the same increase in fatalities. As Paul Harvey says, now for the rest of the story....

A bit of background for non-residents. ND has a population of 762,062 and the reason that it is infection rate is climbing in ND is that they are doing so much more testing. As of the latest update there has been 66,350 tested, 63,890 negative, 1,551 recovered (2 of which I know). I know of 28 cases personally (of people working in nursing homes) that tested positive but are completely asymptomatic. Only 54 people have died so far. The breakdown is 35 were 80+, 11 age 70-79, 3 age 60-69, 2 age 50-59, and 3 age 40-49. There has been zero deaths under that and 1354 have tested positive in those age groups with 884 fully recovered.

Only 41 people are currently hospitalized with the "Wuhun Flu" in the entire state. Total hospitalized since the beginning, only 154. ND has one of the highest testing rates per population (around 11.5% of the population if my math is correct, if not blame the beer ). One of the local hospital groups that operate here in ND, is laying off 900 people (178 in Fargo alone) due to lack of "business". I fully expect there to be more fatalities due to the age groups that are affected but glossing over the other social and economic outcomes is not the correct course of action (for the record ND is following the correct path IMHO).

Minnesota on the other hand seems to be following the NY model of allowing nursing homes to accept COVID patients despite the knowledge that the elderly are more susceptible.

Despite the devastating death toll, Minnesota nursing homes are still being allowed by state regulators to admit coronavirus patients who have been discharged from hospitals.

Early in the pandemic, the Minnesota Department of Health turned to nursing homes and other long-term care facilities to relieve the burden on hospitals that were at risk of being overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients. Minnesota hospitals have since discharged dozens of infected patients to nursing homes, including facilities that have undergone large and deadly outbreaks of the disease, state records show.

https://www.startribune.com/minn-nursin ... 570601282/

This is solid stuff and what needs to be considered.

[Winterborn]

I have to take that back, there has been one death in Cass County so far and that was May 21st. The deceased was a 80 year old man with had underlying health conditions. And I know you realize that more positive cases does not mean that there will be the same increase in fatalities. As Paul Harvey says, now for the rest of the story....

A bit of background for non-residents. ND has a population of 762,062 and the reason that it is infection rate is climbing in ND is that they are doing so much more testing. As of the latest update there has been 66,350 tested, 63,890 negative, 1,551 recovered (2 of which I know). I know of 28 cases personally (of people working in nursing homes) that tested positive but are completely asymptomatic. Only 54 people have died so far. The breakdown is 35 were 80+, 11 age 70-79, 3 age 60-69, 2 age 50-59, and 3 age 40-49. There has been zero deaths under that and 1354 have tested positive in those age groups with 884 fully recovered.

Only 41 people are currently hospitalized with the "Wuhun Flu" in the entire state. Total hospitalized since the beginning, only 154. ND has one of the highest testing rates per population (around 11.5% of the population if my math is correct, if not blame the beer ). One of the local hospital groups that operate here in ND, is laying off 900 people (178 in Fargo alone) due to lack of "business". I fully expect there to be more fatalities due to the age groups that are affected but glossing over the other social and economic outcomes is not the correct course of action (for the record ND is following the correct path IMHO).

Minnesota on the other hand seems to be following the NY model of allowing nursing homes to accept COVID patients despite the knowledge that the elderly are more susceptible.





https://www.startribune.com/minn-nursin ... 570601282/

The Fargo hospitals are busy with covid-19 patients from outside of North Dakota, that is causing stress in that area. I assume Grand Forks has a regional number of patients too.

I had not heard that Minnesota nursing homes were getting Covid-19 patients. St Paul repurposed an old hospital into a Covid-19 only hospital, and Rochester's Mayo Clinic converted a couple arena's at the county fair for corona virus. Good link.

Bismarck Tribune says 43 Cass County deaths.

Bismark Tribune is correct. I misread the article stating the one death on May 21st and should of drilled a bit deeper in the ND.com data.

"Busy" is a bit of a misnomer as the data I listed above concerning how many patients are in a hospital for COVID is directly from the ND health website and is updated every other day. For reference there are 790 staffed hospital beds in Fargo. Granted not all of them can be used for COVID patients but even if just a 1/3 are available that leaves 263 beds free. And yes there are some beds being used from surrounding areas, but Grand Forks (294), Bismarck (452), Minot (428) all have available capacity for other patient procedures.

I do have to give the ND media a bit of credit, as they have been up front in reporting the facts on this.

Back in the end of April I remember reading an article from a Twin Cites paper that stated they (Mayo) were were to furlough or reduced pay of 30,000 employees across their campuses in Minnesota, Florida, and Arizona. Mayo employs about 70k. A pure SWAG on my part but I believe we will see a larger impact in cost of living and quality of life of patients long term that were not able to receive care from the hospital due tho their keeping beds open for COVID patients and the layoff/furloughs then from the deaths of COVID.

[Winterborn]

This is solid stuff and what needs to be considered.

No offense Kalm, but there comes a time in every fishing trip when one has to decided to either make a stand or cut bait and leave.

[houndawg]

Not sure what you mean by no deaths.

I have to take that back, there has been one death in Cass County so far and that was May 21st. The deceased was a 80 year old man with had underlying health conditions. And I know you realize that more positive cases does not mean that there will be the same increase in fatalities. As Paul Harvey says, now for the rest of the story....

A bit of background for non-residents. ND has a population of 762,062 and the reason that it is infection rate is climbing in ND is that they are doing so much more testing. As of the latest update there has been 66,350 tested, 63,890 negative, 1,551 recovered (2 of which I know). I know of 28 cases personally (of people working in nursing homes) that tested positive but are completely asymptomatic. Only 54 people have died so far. The breakdown is 35 were 80+, 11 age 70-79, 3 age 60-69, 2 age 50-59, and 3 age 40-49. There has been zero deaths under that and 1354 have tested positive in those age groups with 884 fully recovered.

Only 41 people are currently hospitalized with the "Wuhun Flu" in the entire state. Total hospitalized since the beginning, only 154. ND has one of the highest testing rates per population (around 11.5% of the population if my math is correct, if not blame the beer ). One of the local hospital groups that operate here in ND, is laying off 900 people (178 in Fargo alone) due to lack of "business". I fully expect there to be more fatalities due to the age groups that are affected but glossing over the other social and economic outcomes is not the correct course of action (for the record ND is following the correct path IMHO).

Minnesota on the other hand seems to be following the NY model of allowing nursing homes to accept COVID patients despite the knowledge that the elderly are more susceptible.

Despite the devastating death toll, Minnesota nursing homes are still being allowed by state regulators to admit coronavirus patients who have been discharged from hospitals.

Early in the pandemic, the Minnesota Department of Health turned to nursing homes and other long-term care facilities to relieve the burden on hospitals that were at risk of being overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients. Minnesota hospitals have since discharged dozens of infected patients to nursing homes, including facilities that have undergone large and deadly outbreaks of the disease, state records show.

https://www.startribune.com/minn-nursin ... 570601282/

Nobody goes to North Dakota on purpose

[kalm]

This is solid stuff and what needs to be considered.

No offense Kalm, but there comes a time in every fishing trip when one has to decided to either make a stand or cut bait and leave.

None taken....and you know what one more cast means.

[AshevilleApp]

MAGA thread is next!

not a chance
There are only two or three on here that openly admit their support of trump
the rest are passive aggressive supporters

They will carry Trump water all-day
and pretend it's traditional conservative mantra

Even Anne Coulter has thrown Trump away at this point
calling him an idiot incompetent with no leadership skills

I don't know man.

MAGA-5695
Covid-5544 and closing fast. Still a ways to go.

[Gil Dobie]

The Fargo hospitals are busy with covid-19 patients from outside of North Dakota, that is causing stress in that area. I assume Grand Forks has a regional number of patients too.

I had not heard that Minnesota nursing homes were getting Covid-19 patients. St Paul repurposed an old hospital into a Covid-19 only hospital, and Rochester's Mayo Clinic converted a couple arena's at the county fair for corona virus. Good link.

Bismarck Tribune says 43 Cass County deaths.

Bismark Tribune is correct. I misread the article stating the one death on May 21st and should of drilled a bit deeper in the ND.com data.

"Busy" is a bit of a misnomer as the data I listed above concerning how many patients are in a hospital for COVID is directly from the ND health website and is updated every other day. For reference there are 790 staffed hospital beds in Fargo. Granted not all of them can be used for COVID patients but even if just a 1/3 are available that leaves 263 beds free. And yes there are some beds being used from surrounding areas, but Grand Forks (294), Bismarck (452), Minot (428) all have available capacity for other patient procedures.

I do have to give the ND media a bit of credit, as they have been up front in reporting the facts on this.

Back in the end of April I remember reading an article from a Twin Cites paper that stated they (Mayo) were were to furlough or reduced pay of 30,000 employees across their campuses in Minnesota, Florida, and Arizona. Mayo employs about 70k. A pure SWAG on my part but I believe we will see a larger impact in cost of living and quality of life of patients long term that were not able to receive care from the hospital due tho their keeping beds open for COVID patients and the layoff/furloughs then from the deaths of COVID.

I'm getting my info from a Sanford nurse. About the Covid unit being busy.

I thought ND had less than 300 ventilators total? I am referring to ICU, when referring to Covid Units. Is that total beds or more importantly ICU beds. There was a recent article that Minnesota was close to full at around 1000 beds, and could get another 1000 or so ready in a few days time.

[Winterborn]

No offense Kalm, but there comes a time in every fishing trip when one has to decided to either make a stand or cut bait and leave.

None taken....and you know what one more cast means.

I do indeed. And that last cast is usually where I catch a snag and loose my lure....

[Winterborn]

Bismark Tribune is correct. I misread the article stating the one death on May 21st and should of drilled a bit deeper in the ND.com data.

"Busy" is a bit of a misnomer as the data I listed above concerning how many patients are in a hospital for COVID is directly from the ND health website and is updated every other day. For reference there are 790 staffed hospital beds in Fargo. Granted not all of them can be used for COVID patients but even if just a 1/3 are available that leaves 263 beds free. And yes there are some beds being used from surrounding areas, but Grand Forks (294), Bismarck (452), Minot (428) all have available capacity for other patient procedures.

I do have to give the ND media a bit of credit, as they have been up front in reporting the facts on this.

Back in the end of April I remember reading an article from a Twin Cites paper that stated they (Mayo) were were to furlough or reduced pay of 30,000 employees across their campuses in Minnesota, Florida, and Arizona. Mayo employs about 70k. A pure SWAG on my part but I believe we will see a larger impact in cost of living and quality of life of patients long term that were not able to receive care from the hospital due tho their keeping beds open for COVID patients and the layoff/furloughs then from the deaths of COVID.

I'm getting my info from a Sanford nurse. About the Covid unit being busy.

I thought ND had less than 300 ventilators total? I am referring to ICU, when referring to Covid Units. Is that total beds or more importantly ICU beds. There was a recent article that Minnesota was close to full at around 1000 beds, and could get another 1000 or so ready in a few days time.

At the beginning they did, but now they have a surplus and not all patients need a ventilator from what I have been hearing. There is alt least one ND manufacture that is making ventilators for other states that put in orders for them back in early April.

My insurance information just says staffed, they didn't have a breakdown if they were ICU or not. And based on the totals, I would guess not as I know there are not that many ICU spedcfic beds in the FM area.

[Ibanez]

You would do well to absorb some of it.

Bull Sheet. Cid magically pulled "American Statists" out his butt. It is selfish, and sure ain't patriotic

For nearly 200 years the state has held all men (and women, and minorities, too, even 3/5's of some) equal, and that ""Out of many, one""

This "magic" libertarian spirit is bogus. Take us back to the '90s -- the 1890's, or even the 1790's. HA! Wild west douche-bags ... Git yer guns and Bibles, Whitey!

You have to be trolling. Not even Opie are Trip are this stupid.

[CAA Flagship]

Nobody goes to North Dakota on purpose

Aside from an emergency landing, how would you end up there by accident?