Coronavirus COVID-19

[Ivytalk]

Busted!!

[Chizzang]

the look of defeat on the reporters face after the guy says "even the cameraman" is priceless...

[HI54UNI]

I've seen some "off camera" vids and pics of white house press briefings that are similar. All for show for the camera.

[HI54UNI]

This ^ really powerful - every minute of that clip is worthwhile

This.

[BDKJMU]

This ^ really powerful - every minute of that clip is worthwhile

Yep. And local police don’t have to enforce these unconstitutional shutdown orders. There article after article out there about some local sheriffs, police & DAs in states (with mostly donk govs) refusing to enforce these arbitrary orders of what is essential and non essential. From PA:
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/05/s ... ce-it.html
Michigan:
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... 185855002/

https://www.policemag.com/554247/a-covi ... ng-the-law

[SDHornet]

I've seen some "off camera" vids and pics of white house press briefings that are similar. All for show for the camera.

[CID1990]

I've seen some "off camera" vids and pics of white house press briefings that are similar. All for show for the camera.

People who live in hurricane zones have known this for years.

If I had a nickel for every time I saw some choad from one of the New York networks or Weather Channel in Charleston pretending to be blown around while the camera guy was rock steady I’d be retired on my boat already


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[kalm]

This ^ really powerful - every minute of that clip is worthwhile

Indeed and thanks for posting this. Very compelling. Leadership vacuum at many levels right now. EG: under phase two for restaurants I can open at 50% capacity. Phase 2 for golf courses: keep your food and beverage operations shuttered.

[UNI88]

This ^ really powerful - every minute of that clip is worthwhile

Yep. And local police don’t have to enforce these unconstitutional shutdown orders. There article after article out there about some local sheriffs, police & DAs in states (with mostly donk govs) refusing to enforce these arbitrary orders of what is essential and non essential. From PA:
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/05/s ... ce-it.html
Michigan:
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... 185855002/

https://www.policemag.com/554247/a-covi ... ng-the-law

That clip was awesome but are the shutdown orders unconstitutional? My guess is that it varies by state but some state constitutions probably give the Governor fairly broad emergency powers. I would also guess that actions taken using those powers typically have a time limit before they have to be confirmed by the state legislature. I'm also not sure what recourse governors and local authorities have to punish those who disobey orders made under emergency provisions. I'd be interested in IT and Joe's thoughts on that.

[kalm]

Yep. And local police don’t have to enforce these unconstitutional shutdown orders. There article after article out there about some local sheriffs, police & DAs in states (with mostly donk govs) refusing to enforce these arbitrary orders of what is essential and non essential. From PA:
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/05/s ... ce-it.html
Michigan:
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... 185855002/

https://www.policemag.com/554247/a-covi ... ng-the-law

That clip was awesome but are the shutdown orders unconstitutional? My guess is that it varies by state but some state constitutions probably give the Governor fairly broad emergency powers. I would also guess that actions taken using those powers typically have a time limit before they have to be confirmed by the state legislature. I'm also not sure what recourse governors and local authorities have to punish those who disobey orders made under emergency provisions. I'd be interested in IT and Joe's thoughts on that.

Mechanically they really don’t have much. The courts are closed here. Good luck with enforcement and process. At this point it’s mostly just a plea to not be a dickhead and follow the rules. The only threat they have is revoking business licenses.

[UNI88]

That clip was awesome but are the shutdown orders unconstitutional? My guess is that it varies by state but some state constitutions probably give the Governor fairly broad emergency powers. I would also guess that actions taken using those powers typically have a time limit before they have to be confirmed by the state legislature. I'm also not sure what recourse governors and local authorities have to punish those who disobey orders made under emergency provisions. I'd be interested in IT and Joe's thoughts on that.

Mechanically they really don’t have much. The courts are closed here. Good luck with enforcement and process. At this point it’s mostly just a plea to not be a dickhead and follow the rules. The only threat they have is revoking business licenses.

And I would have to say that based on the information presented, Nick Koumalatsos was being responsible and the Acting Police Chief was the dickhead in that situation.

[kalm]

Mechanically they really don’t have much. The courts are closed here. Good luck with enforcement and process. At this point it’s mostly just a plea to not be a dickhead and follow the rules. The only threat they have is revoking business licenses.

And I would have to say that based on the information presented, Nick Koumalatsos was being responsible and the Acting Police Chief was the dickhead in that situation.

Oh absolutely.

That fact lends tremendous credence to what the likes of you, CID, and Ivy preach regarding statism and bureaucracy.

[Winterborn]

That clip was awesome but are the shutdown orders unconstitutional? My guess is that it varies by state but some state constitutions probably give the Governor fairly broad emergency powers. I would also guess that actions taken using those powers typically have a time limit before they have to be confirmed by the state legislature. I'm also not sure what recourse governors and local authorities have to punish those who disobey orders made under emergency provisions. I'd be interested in IT and Joe's thoughts on that.

I can speak a bit on the Wisconsin side of things that the Governor does have broad emergency powers but it is limited to a specific time period and after that it everything related to the "emergency" needs approval from the legislature. It is why the Wisconsin Supreme Court struck down the state stay-at-home order extension. The few other mid-west/plains states I looked into had similar verbiage written into their state constitutions.

To your second point, I think it depends on the state bylaws and their reporting mechanism. It comes down to who is doing the enforcement and what happens when that enforcement either willfully chooses to not enforce the emergency provisions or just give it lip service. And do you rely on the public to self police (aka "snitch hotline") and I think we have seen what happens when they go that route.

Overall one either gains the trust of the populace and they follow along or face the consequences of them ignoring whatever measures that are in place. Which CID had mentioned something very similar to this earlier either in this thread or another.

[89Hen]

Another "is it just me?" Has anyone else noticed that the ASL interpreters at government pressers have been getting creepier and creepier looking? I think Mississippi hired Ron Jeremy.

[Ibanez]

Another "is it just me?" Has anyone else noticed that the ASL interpreters at government pressers have been getting creepier and creepier looking? I think Mississippi hired Ron Jeremy.

That guy looks like he can't be within 100' of a school.

[Winterborn]

Another "is it just me?" Has anyone else noticed that the ASL interpreters at government pressers have been getting creepier and creepier looking? I think Mississippi hired Ron Jeremy.

That guy looks like he can't be within 100' of a school.

I don't think he is even in the same room as what he is translating.

[CAA Flagship]

[houndawg]

And lets keep it that way.

I know SIU doesn't like coming there.

They always win there. Because when the game is over they get to leave.

[houndawg]

you wouldn't

So it's kind of like Little Egypt.

but colder and darker

[UNI88]

So it's kind of like Little Egypt.

but colder and darker and more teeth

FYP

[houndawg]

This ^ really powerful - every minute of that clip is worthwhile

I would have been a lot more outraged at how he was treated by the authorities a couple of days ago - watching it today I couldn't help but wonder how this drama would have played out if the cop was white and the gym owner was black.

[UNI88]

How Fear, Groupthink Drove Unnecessary Global Lockdowns

A much more rational strategy would have been to lock down nursing homes and let young healthy people out to build immunity. Instead we did the opposite, we forced nursing homes to take COVID-19 patients and locked down young people.

[JohnStOnge]

How Fear, Groupthink Drove Unnecessary Global Lockdowns

A much more rational strategy would have been to lock down nursing homes and let young healthy people out to build immunity. Instead we did the opposite, we forced nursing homes to take COVID-19 patients and locked down young people.

Sweden is not in business as usual mode. There is extensive voluntary social distancing. They have shut down secondary schools. They have banned gatherings of greater than 50 people. No, they have not been as "strict" as other European countries. But they are not doing nothing. See https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden- ... nes-2020-4.

Meanwhile, they have by far the highest per capita death rate among the European Nordic countries. They are currently 6th in deaths per million population among countries and all indications are they are about to pass France to move into 5th place.

The author also failed to recognize that the IHME model has both upper and lower edges to its uncertainty interval. So far during May the highest value of the lower limit of the uncertainty interval for the Model output most recently prior to May 3 (the screen shot she took) is 17. That was today for yesterday actually. The uncertainty interval for yesterday for the Model as it was on May 3 is 17 through 2376. The actual value is 95. That's within the uncertainty interval. She made a big deal about actual values being way lower than the upper limit of uncertainty. She ignored the fact that they were way higher than the lower limit.

The author was being disingenuous. If they've got a bioengineering degree they know better.

[JohnStOnge]

How Fear, Groupthink Drove Unnecessary Global Lockdowns

A much more rational strategy would have been to lock down nursing homes and let young healthy people out to build immunity. Instead we did the opposite, we forced nursing homes to take COVID-19 patients and locked down young people.

I went ahead and checked the actual Sweden death total for every day May 3 through 27 to see if it was within the uncertainty interval predicted by the IHME model for that day. It was within the uncertainty interval in 24 of 25 cases. I don't know if their uncertainty interval is basically a 95% thing. But if you have a 95% confidence interval (which is what people usually have by convention in statistics) you expect the actual value to be outside of the interval in about 1 in every 20 cases.

If Joe Blow off the street did that I could believe he didn't know better. But that author knows better than to do what they did. I suspect you are dealing with an intellectually dishonest person.

[UNI88]

How Fear, Groupthink Drove Unnecessary Global Lockdowns

I went ahead and checked the actual Sweden death total for every day May 3 through 27 to see if it was within the uncertainty interval predicted by the IHME model for that day. It was within the uncertainty interval in 24 of 25 cases. I don't know if their uncertainty interval is basically a 95% thing. But if you have a 95% confidence interval (which is what people usually have by convention in statistics) you expect the actual value to be outside of the interval in about 1 in every 20 cases.

If Joe Blow off the street did that I could believe he didn't know better. But that author knows better than to do what they did. I suspect you are dealing with an intellectually dishonest person.

So locking down young people and sending Covid-19 patients to nursing homes was the right call?

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