Coronavirus COVID-19

[BDKJMU]

I didn’t say Eichman wasn’t Gestapo in my above post by saying WHETHER OR NOT. Whether or not = irrelevant to what we’re talking about. Few weeks ago I was wrong on saying he wasn’t (after Cid said the same). You corrected us. Again, WHETHER OR NOT Eichman’s SS dept was considered part of the Gestapo (it was as you pointed out) is irrelvant to someone ignoring 2 of the 3 biggest outbreaks of the last 60 years.

You did in the COVID Death count thread. Interesting that you didn’t own up to it. Interesting...

Btw, now you may feel how we all do when you have to belabor the point and constantly correct every little thing.
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I didn’t dispute it (after your correction). I guess I should have responded ‘you were right/we were wrong’ to stroke your ego.

And no I don’t feel that way. You’re correcting us in that thread wasn’t belaboring the point or correcting every little thing.

[Ibanez]

You did in the COVID Death count thread. Interesting that you didn’t own up to it. Interesting...

Btw, now you may feel how we all do when you have to belabor the point and constantly correct every little thing.
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I didn’t dispute it (after your correction). I guess I should have responded ‘you were right/we were wrong’ to stroke your ego.

And no I don’t feel that way. You’re correcting us in that thread wasn’t belaboring the point or correcting every little thing.

It has nothing to do with ego. It has to do with proving wrong the guy who makes a habit out of proving everyone else wrong. Or proving that you linked a picture or article first or something else equally inconsequential. Especially when you say you have the right answer as opposed to a historian that wrote, proofread, peer reviewed and had an academic/scholarly book published.

And to give you shit because I acknowledge that I’m an asshole.


Of course none of this matters.


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[JohnStOnge]

Remember guys that deniers with respect to how serious this is have been comparing an evolving event with completed historical events since the beginning. When public health officials first started warning about this because they were looking at what WOULD happen with a highly contagious pathogen people were comparing the case and death counts to the seasonal flu estimates. Once it became clear that it's a lot more serious situation than the seasonal flu thing we started seeing comparisons to the Asian and Hong Kong flu. Once it became clear that the death count is going to exceed the estimates for the Asian and Hong Kong flu we started seeing "but the populations was smaller then."

It is very likely that when all is said and done that argument is not going to hold up either.

I am a person who started off saying this was not as much of a risk as the seasonal flu. But as the data came in I had to admit that it is a hell of a lot more serious. What is it about people that they can't just admit that this is a very serious pandemic?

[AZGrizFan]

How can that argument not hold up? It’s a perfectly valid variable to consider. And it’s NOT as much of a risk. It’s much more prevalent, and much less deadly. THAT is what is going to bear out.

[BDKJMU]

I didn’t dispute it (after your correction). I guess I should have responded ‘you were right/we were wrong’ to stroke your ego.

And no I don’t feel that way. You’re correcting us in that thread wasn’t belaboring the point or correcting every little thing.

It has nothing to do with ego. It has to do with proving wrong the guy who makes a habit out of proving everyone else wrong. Or proving that you linked a picture or article first or something else equally inconsequential. Especially when you say you have the right answer as opposed to a historian that wrote, proofread, peer reviewed and had an academic/scholarly book published.

And to give you shit because I acknowledge that I’m an asshole.


Of course none of this matters.


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I wasn't the 1st one that claimed he wasn't in the Gestapo. I just assumed that was correct, because of who it was coming from.

And I agree with you on that. It takes one to know one, as I agree that I'm an asshole, too (on here anyway).

[SDHornet]

Remember guys that deniers with respect to how serious this is have been comparing an evolving event with completed historical events since the beginning. When public health officials first started warning about this because they were looking at what WOULD happen with a highly contagious pathogen people were comparing the case and death counts to the seasonal flu estimates. Once it became clear that it's a lot more serious situation than the seasonal flu thing we started seeing comparisons to the Asian and Hong Kong flu. Once it became clear that the death count is going to exceed the estimates for the Asian and Hong Kong flu we started seeing "but the populations was smaller then."

It is very likely that when all is said and done that argument is not going to hold up either.

I am a person who started off saying this was not as much of a risk as the seasonal flu. But as the data came in I had to admit that it is a hell of a lot more serious. What is it about people that they can't just admit that this is a very serious pandemic?

Remember guys the shutdown was only supposed to last until we "bent the curve". Then it was supposed to last to "save lives". Now its supposed to last until no one dies from the Chinese Flu or a vaccine is developed.

Kinda like that JSO?

[Gil Dobie]

How can that argument not hold up? It’s a perfectly valid variable to consider. And it’s NOT as much of a risk. It’s much more prevalent, and much less deadly. THAT is what is going to bear out.

This is a way to manage statistics to your favor. Maybe the vulnerable people have been in personal lockdown, and that keeps the death percentage down. It's just as deadly to those people, maybe the percentage of deaths is less than originally estimated. A gun is just as deadly, even if no one is shot.

[UNI88]

Remember guys that deniers with respect to how serious this is have been comparing an evolving event with completed historical events since the beginning. When public health officials first started warning about this because they were looking at what WOULD happen with a highly contagious pathogen people were comparing the case and death counts to the seasonal flu estimates. Once it became clear that it's a lot more serious situation than the seasonal flu thing we started seeing comparisons to the Asian and Hong Kong flu. Once it became clear that the death count is going to exceed the estimates for the Asian and Hong Kong flu we started seeing "but the populations was smaller then."

It is very likely that when all is said and done that argument is not going to hold up either.

I am a person who started off saying this was not as much of a risk as the seasonal flu. But as the data came in I had to admit that it is a hell of a lot more serious. What is it about people that they can't just admit that this is a very serious pandemic?

John, please explain to me how those arguments are not going to hold up? And you completely dismissed them in advance so I don't want some argument that shows that they're not quite as relevant.

I'm not denying that the virus should be taken seriously. I'm questioning if we're taking it too seriously. Should we focus more efforts on protecting the elderly and most at risk and let younger, healthier people and businesses get on with their lives and operations with reasonable protocols in place (physical distancing, masks, limited crowd size, etc.)? We've locked down everyone but done a pretty shitty job of protecting those who are most at risk. The this is the end of the world and we need the government to do everything possible to save and provide for us (money, housing, food and probably wiping your asses) statists such as yourself keep moving the goalposts. First, it was this is going to kill millions and we need a lockdown to flatten the curve. When that was accomplished and it became apparent that the death toll wasn't going to be nearly as high as originally feared there was no acknowledgment just a shift in priorities from flattening the curve to saving as many lives as possible to we need a vaccine.

[UNI88]

Double post

[AshevilleApp]

Remember guys that deniers with respect to how serious this is have been comparing an evolving event with completed historical events since the beginning. When public health officials first started warning about this because they were looking at what WOULD happen with a highly contagious pathogen people were comparing the case and death counts to the seasonal flu estimates. Once it became clear that it's a lot more serious situation than the seasonal flu thing we started seeing comparisons to the Asian and Hong Kong flu. Once it became clear that the death count is going to exceed the estimates for the Asian and Hong Kong flu we started seeing "but the populations was smaller then."

It is very likely that when all is said and done that argument is not going to hold up either.

I am a person who started off saying this was not as much of a risk as the seasonal flu. But as the data came in I had to admit that it is a hell of a lot more serious. What is it about people that they can't just admit that this is a very serious pandemic?

Remember guys the shutdown was only supposed to last until we "bent the curve". Then it was supposed to last to "save lives". Now its supposed to last until no one dies from the Chinese Flu or a vaccine is developed.

Kinda like that JSO?

Things are certainly opening up here. Not fast enough for some, but definitely opening up. (5659)

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Looks like the Spanish flu’s one-year record is safe.

I wonder what this would have done if it struck back then.

I know it doesn't seem possible but it would have done even less than the laughable low number right now

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Washington DC Mayor has issued her plan to reopen the city...with 10 critical things that need to be done...

Number 7 is a doozy...




That’s one way to make up the money that’s been lot because of the pandemic...

Good luck. The speed limit in my neighborhood is 20 and nobody obeys it. All those law and order Republicans w/ MAGA stickers love to break that law and then get pissy when they're called out.

We don't listen to big government, deal with it

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[AshevilleApp]

Good luck. The speed limit in my neighborhood is 20 and nobody obeys it. All those law and order Republicans w/ MAGA stickers love to break that law and then get pissy when they're called out.

We don't listen to big government, deal with it

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Did you register with Selective Service?

[Ibanez]

Good luck. The speed limit in my neighborhood is 20 and nobody obeys it. All those law and order Republicans w/ MAGA stickers love to break that law and then get pissy when they're called out.

We don't listen to big government, deal with it

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So you’re not for law and order? At least you have the integrity to admit it.


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[AZGrizFan]

How can that argument not hold up? It’s a perfectly valid variable to consider. And it’s NOT as much of a risk. It’s much more prevalent, and much less deadly. THAT is what is going to bear out.

This is a way to manage statistics to your favor. Maybe the vulnerable people have been in personal lockdown, and that keeps the death percentage down. It's just as deadly to those people, maybe the percentage of deaths is less than originally estimated. A gun is just as deadly, even if no one is shot.

I’m not managing anything, Gil. I’ve been clear from the start that none of this changes the NUMBER of deaths. It just changes the LIKELIHOOD of death if 10 or 20x the number of people actually get the virus.

And I have no idea what you’re saying about an inanimate object. There’s nothing inherently dangerous about a firearm.

[AZGrizFan]

We don't listen to big government, deal with it

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Did you register with Selective Service?

Well, he’s a Marine, so I guess we know the answer to that.....

[AZGrizFan]

Remember guys that deniers with respect to how serious this is have been comparing an evolving event with completed historical events since the beginning. When public health officials first started warning about this because they were looking at what WOULD happen with a highly contagious pathogen people were comparing the case and death counts to the seasonal flu estimates. Once it became clear that it's a lot more serious situation than the seasonal flu thing we started seeing comparisons to the Asian and Hong Kong flu. Once it became clear that the death count is going to exceed the estimates for the Asian and Hong Kong flu we started seeing "but the populations was smaller then."

It is very likely that when all is said and done that argument is not going to hold up either.

I am a person who started off saying this was not as much of a risk as the seasonal flu. But as the data came in I had to admit that it is a hell of a lot more serious. What is it about people that they can't just admit that this is a very serious pandemic?

John, please explain to me how those arguments are not going to hold up? And you completely dismissed them in advance so I don't want some argument that shows that they're not quite as relevant.

I'm not denying that the virus should be taken seriously. I'm questioning if we're taking it too seriously. Should we focus more efforts on protecting the elderly and most at risk and let younger, healthier people and businesses get on with their lives and operations with reasonable protocols in place (physical distancing, masks, limited crowd size, etc.)? We've locked down everyone but done a pretty shitty job of protecting those who are most at risk. The this is the end of the world and we need the government to do everything possible to save and provide for us (money, housing, food and probably wiping your asses) statists such as yourself keep moving the goalposts. First, it was this is going to kill millions and we need a lockdown to flatten the curve. When that was accomplished and it became apparent that the death toll wasn't going to be nearly as high as originally feared there was no acknowledgment just a shift in priorities from flattening the curve to saving as many lives as possible to we need a vaccine.

What REALLY worries me now is how this country (or any country) will respond to what may appear to be a “second wave” of cases/deaths....we’ll really get to learn whether or not anybody learned anything from this debacle.....

[Skjellyfetti]

The lesson is that we underestimated it and got our shit together too late.

[JohnStOnge]

How can that argument not hold up? It’s a perfectly valid variable to consider. And it’s NOT as much of a risk. It’s much more prevalent, and much less deadly. THAT is what is going to bear out.

When I say the argument is not going to hold up I'm talking about the argument that the Asian and Hong Kong flu pandemics were "worse" for the United States because the ESTIMATES of total deaths associated with those pandemics are, when adjusted for population, higher than the population adjusted COUNT for COVID-19 now. I think it highly likely that when all is said and done the per capita ESTIMATED death rate for COVID-19 is going to be higher than the per capita estimated death rate for the Asian flu and Hong Kong flu.

It is very likely that we are going to continue to have COVID-19 pandemic deaths in the United States for some time. The actual count is going to keep growing. And, whatever the actual count is, the estimated deaths total is going to be substantially higher.

I'll also refer to this link: https://www.livescience.com/new-coronav ... h-flu.html

Research so far indicates that COVID-19 spreads more easily and has a higher death rate than the flu.

[JohnStOnge]

Remember guys that deniers with respect to how serious this is have been comparing an evolving event with completed historical events since the beginning. When public health officials first started warning about this because they were looking at what WOULD happen with a highly contagious pathogen people were comparing the case and death counts to the seasonal flu estimates. Once it became clear that it's a lot more serious situation than the seasonal flu thing we started seeing comparisons to the Asian and Hong Kong flu. Once it became clear that the death count is going to exceed the estimates for the Asian and Hong Kong flu we started seeing "but the populations was smaller then."

It is very likely that when all is said and done that argument is not going to hold up either.

I am a person who started off saying this was not as much of a risk as the seasonal flu. But as the data came in I had to admit that it is a hell of a lot more serious. What is it about people that they can't just admit that this is a very serious pandemic?

John, please explain to me how those arguments are not going to hold up? And you completely dismissed them in advance so I don't want some argument that shows that they're not quite as relevant.

I said it's not likely that the arguments about the Asian and Hong Kong flu being worse when population is taken into account will hold up when all is said and done.

I don't think it's likely that they will because:

1) The numbers people are using for the Asian and Hong Kong flu pandemics are estimates and what we are dealing with in referring to COVID-19 right now is a count. At some point there will be an estimate of COVID-19 deaths that will be made in a manner similar to that used for estimating flu deaths. The estimated number will be a lot higher than the counted number (just as it is with the flu).

2) The COVID-19 thing is in progress. We are still recording around 1,000 deaths per day. AND it's reasonable to think we are going to have a second wave in the fall/winter.

I didn't say I know for 100% certain that the arguments about the Asian flu and the Hong Kong flu will not hold up. I said it is not LIKELY that they will. I think that if you had to bet you would do well to bet that, when all is said and done, the ESTIMATED per capita death toll in the United States for this COVID-19 thing will be greater than it was for either the Asian flu or the Hong Kong flu.

[AZGrizFan]

John, please explain to me how those arguments are not going to hold up? And you completely dismissed them in advance so I don't want some argument that shows that they're not quite as relevant.

I said it's not likely that the arguments about the Asian and Hong Kong flu being worse when population is taken into account will hold up when all is said and done.

I don't think it's likely that they will because:

1) The numbers people are using for the Asian and Hong Kong flu pandemics are estimates and what we are dealing with in referring to COVID-19 right now is a count. At some point there will be an estimate of COVID-19 deaths that will be made in a manner similar to that used for estimating flu deaths. The estimated number will be a lot higher than the counted number (just as it is with the flu).

2) The COVID-19 thing is in progress. We are still recording around 1,000 deaths per day. AND it's reasonable to think we are going to have a second wave in the fall/winter.

I didn't say I know for 100% certain that the arguments about the Asian flu and the Hong Kong flu will not hold up. I said it is not LIKELY that they will. I think that if you had to bet you would do well to bet that, when all is said and done, the ESTIMATED per capita death toll in the United States for this COVID-19 thing will be greater than it was for either the Asian flu or the Hong Kong flu.

1) the count has proven to be complete bullshit
2) What was the per capita death count for Asian and Hong Kong flus?

[mainejeff]

I said it's not likely that the arguments about the Asian and Hong Kong flu being worse when population is taken into account will hold up when all is said and done.

I don't think it's likely that they will because:

1) The numbers people are using for the Asian and Hong Kong flu pandemics are estimates and what we are dealing with in referring to COVID-19 right now is a count. At some point there will be an estimate of COVID-19 deaths that will be made in a manner similar to that used for estimating flu deaths. The estimated number will be a lot higher than the counted number (just as it is with the flu).

2) The COVID-19 thing is in progress. We are still recording around 1,000 deaths per day. AND it's reasonable to think we are going to have a second wave in the fall/winter.

I didn't say I know for 100% certain that the arguments about the Asian flu and the Hong Kong flu will not hold up. I said it is not LIKELY that they will. I think that if you had to bet you would do well to bet that, when all is said and done, the ESTIMATED per capita death toll in the United States for this COVID-19 thing will be greater than it was for either the Asian flu or the Hong Kong flu.

1) the count has proven to be complete bullshit
2) What was the per capita death count for Asian and Hong Kong flus?

No one has died from this....it's all a liberal hoax!

[AZGrizFan]

1) the count has proven to be complete bullshit
2) What was the per capita death count for Asian and Hong Kong flus?

No one has died from this....it's all a liberal hoax!

Yep. Exactly what I said.

[mainejeff]

No one has died from this....it's all a liberal hoax!

Yep. Exactly what I said.

You are so fucking retarded.

[AZGrizFan]

Yep. Exactly what I said.

You are so fucking retarded.

Says the guy who claims no one has died from COVID. You go girl.