Coronavirus COVID-19

[Baldy]

If cases spike over the next month where all the demonstrations were, who will get the blame? Protestors/looters/vandals, or????

We know Kemp will get the blame in Georgia and Abbott will be blamed in Texas while Cuomo will be hailed as "America's Governor" again. What about Cali, Pennsylvania, DC, Minnesota, Illinois etc.?

[UNI88]

We can only print so much money. At some point, that money will start to become worthless and inflation will skyrocket. Plus we'll be sticking forcing our kids, grandkids, and great-grandkids to pay the interest on that debt with the income they haven't even earned yet. Trip likes to bitch about Boomers spending young people's money on themselves, how is this different?

And the number of governments, organizations, and people asking for money is going to grow logarithmically the longer this goes on. And those government bodies that are so much more ethical then corporations are going to try and stick the federal government (and ultimately our kids, grandkids, and great-grandkids) with the costs of bailing out their pension systems and other financial disasters of their own making. Look at what Illinois wants if you doubt me.

I think we should be seriously considering finding a way to stick China with the cost of any required stimulus. We should at least write down our debt to them by the amounts we're spending.

Agree...especially on that last point.

This...is a terrific listen for anyone who fancies history in light of today’s crisis. It even speaks to your point about Trip and Boomers. I’d love to hear your feedback on it as well as the history buffs on the board like Ganny. It provides some really cool economic framework.

Thanks! I'll listen to this on my drive to Colorado.

[Gil Dobie]

I'm guessing after last week, there will be another spike in Corona cases in Minnesota.

[kalm]

Covid is so yesterday but still...

“A Seattle-based factory trawler cut short its fishing season off the Washington coast after 85 of 126 crew tested positive for COVID-19, according to a statement released Sunday by American Seafoods, which operates the vessel.

The test results for the FV American Dynasty are a somber finding for the North Pacific fishing industry, which has been trying to keep the novel coronavirus off the ships and out of the shore-based plants that produce much of the nation’s seafood. The outbreak also underscores the toll coronavirus continues to take on the food processing industry across the nation. In Washington state, outbreaks in meat plants, fruit and vegetable fields and packing facilities prompted Gov. Jay Inslee to order new protections for agricultural and food processing workers.

As part of the effort to keep outbreaks from impacting the seafood industry, the American Dynasty crew, before heading off to sea May 13, were screened for the viral infection and underwent quarantines. They also underwent additional testing for the antibodies created by the virus.

“Only if there were no signs that they were actively infected or contagious were they cleared to board their vessel,” said American Seafoods chief executive Mikel Dunham, in a written statement.

Somehow, the virus still found its way on board”


https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... 1591026698

[JohnStOnge]

I think when all is said and done it will be concluded that COVID-19 has a higher death rate than influenza does. Don't know about the Spanish flu back in 1918. But certainly higher than seasonal flu and probably higher than the Asian flu or the Hong Kong flu. I linked this article once but I will link it again:

Yeah it will, especially when anybody who dies is counted as a COVID death. Gotta pump those numbers up!

As I've posted many times before they are counting COVID-19 deaths consistent with the way they count influenza deaths. Once again, you can find this Statement on counting influenza deaths by CDC at https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm:

Seasonal influenza-related deaths are deaths that occur in people for whom influenza infection was likely a contributor to the cause of death, but not necessarily the primary cause of death.

You can find more on how it works at https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/ho ... imates.htm:

Seasonal influenza may lead to death from other causes, such as pneumonia, congestive heart failure, or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. It has been recognized for many years that influenza is underreported on death certificates. There may be several reasons for underreporting, including that patients aren’t always tested for seasonal influenza virus infection, particularly older adults who are at greatest risk of seasonal influenza complications and death. Even if a patient is tested for influenza, influenza virus infection may not be identified because the influenza virus is only detectable for a limited number of days after infection and many people don’t seek medical care in this interval. Additionally, some deaths – particularly among those 65 years and older – are associated with secondary complications of influenza (including bacterial pneumonias). For these and other reasons, modeling strategies are commonly used to estimate flu-associated deaths. Only counting deaths where influenza was recorded on a death certificate would be a gross underestimation of influenza’s true impact.

They are not pumping the numbers up. They are proceeding as they normally do when estimating disease burden.

[mainejeff]

When is Pussy Boy Trump having his LIVE MAGAt rallies? Come on you Orange Mother Fucker.......have 'em every night in every Red State!

[JohnStOnge]

I've posted this before but I'll do it again. See https://www.livescience.com/new-coronav ... h-flu.html.

Livescience is not a political entity. It's just about science. Here are some quotes from the article:

The death rate from seasonal flu is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to news reports.

Though the death rate for COVID-19 is unclear, almost all credible research suggests it is much higher than that of the seasonal flu.

It's also important to note that estimates of flu illnesses and deaths from the CDC are just that — estimates (which make certain assumptions) rather than raw numbers. (The CDC does not know the exact number of people who become sick with or die from the flu each year in the U.S. Rather, this number is estimated based on data collected on flu hospitalizations through surveillance in 13 states.) A recent paper published in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine emphasized this point when it found that, in the U.S., there were 20 times more deaths per week from COVID-19 than from the flu in the deadliest week of an average influenza season,

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah it will, especially when anybody who dies is counted as a COVID death. Gotta pump those numbers up!

As I've posted many times before they are counting COVID-19 deaths consistent with the way they count influenza deaths. Once again, you can find this Statement on counting influenza deaths by CDC at https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm:

Seasonal influenza-related deaths are deaths that occur in people for whom influenza infection was likely a contributor to the cause of death, but not necessarily the primary cause of death.

You can find more on how it works at https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/ho ... imates.htm:

Seasonal influenza may lead to death from other causes, such as pneumonia, congestive heart failure, or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. It has been recognized for many years that influenza is underreported on death certificates. There may be several reasons for underreporting, including that patients aren’t always tested for seasonal influenza virus infection, particularly older adults who are at greatest risk of seasonal influenza complications and death. Even if a patient is tested for influenza, influenza virus infection may not be identified because the influenza virus is only detectable for a limited number of days after infection and many people don’t seek medical care in this interval. Additionally, some deaths – particularly among those 65 years and older – are associated with secondary complications of influenza (including bacterial pneumonias). For these and other reasons, modeling strategies are commonly used to estimate flu-associated deaths. Only counting deaths where influenza was recorded on a death certificate would be a gross underestimation of influenza’s true impact.

They are not pumping the numbers up. They are proceeding as they normally do when estimating disease burden.

Guy dies of alcohol poisoning. Counted as a covid death. GTFO with that “being counted consistently”....

[JohnStOnge]

As I've posted many times before they are counting COVID-19 deaths consistent with the way they count influenza deaths. Once again, you can find this Statement on counting influenza deaths by CDC at https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm:



You can find more on how it works at https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/ho ... imates.htm:



They are not pumping the numbers up. They are proceeding as they normally do when estimating disease burden.

Guy dies of alcohol poisoning. Counted as a covid death. GTFO with that “being counted consistently”....

It's being counted consistently. They are just doing what they do. If you want to argue with what they do in estimating disease burdens go ahead. But they are not treating COVID-19 differently.

[AZGrizFan]

Guy dies of alcohol poisoning. Counted as a covid death. GTFO with that “being counted consistently”....

It's being counted consistently. They are just doing what they do. If you want to argue with what they do in estimating disease burdens go ahead. But they are not treating COVID-19 differently.

Yes they are, and they’ve admitted it. Openly.

[kalm]

It's being counted consistently. They are just doing what they do. If you want to argue with what they do in estimating disease burdens go ahead. But they are not treating COVID-19 differently.

Yes they are, and they’ve admitted it. Openly.

And influenza deaths are more than likely over-reported as well.

[kalm]

Yeah! We’ll show that virus who’s the boss!

“Sorry, no mask allowed,” read the poster taped to the front door of his bar Friday. “Please bare with us thru the ridiculous fearful times.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

[Gil Dobie]

Yes they are, and they’ve admitted it. Openly.

And influenza deaths are more than likely over-reported as well.

So were the estimates that the economy was going to die by now.

[LeadBolt]

Big difference in dying with Covid than from Covid.

Also, have to think that 40 million out of work is playing a role in frustration leading to riots vs protests. Fertile field for those funding changing of legitimate and needed protests into something else.

Can’t wait until enhancements to unemployment and PPP money runs out.

I’m afraid that 1968 might be a walk in the park.


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[kalm]

Big difference in dying with Covid than from Covid.

Also, have to think that 40 million out of work is playing a role in frustration leading to riots vs protests. Fertile field for those funding changing of legitimate and needed protests into something else.

Can’t wait until enhancements to unemployment and PPP money runs out.

I’m afraid that 1968 might be a walk in the park.


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Maybe we should have made better choices regarding who gets bailed out and when.

[kalm]

Good news: Texas has third straight day of 1,000 new cases.

Bad news: the simple math says that rate won’t get them close to achieving herd immunity for years.

[GannonFan]

Good news: Texas has third straight day of 1,000 new cases.

Bad news: the simple math says that rate won’t get them close to achieving herd immunity for years.

As long as those 1000 new cases don't result in a significant uptick of really serious illness (i.e. hospitalization, death, etc) then we're good. Cases by themselves mean little, it's the significant outcomes that do. The virus is out there, we're not going to eradicate it.

[kalm]

Good news: Texas has third straight day of 1,000 new cases.

Bad news: the simple math says that rate won’t get them close to achieving herd immunity for years.

As long as those 1000 new cases don't result in a significant uptick of really serious illness (i.e. hospitalization, death, etc) then we're good. Cases by themselves mean little, it's the significant outcomes that do. The virus is out there, we're not going to eradicate it.

Case counts drive the other numbers. EG: only 1% die from it but that’s still a big number. I agree that hospitalization and recovery time are also significant. Those can be improved upon through treatment as we understand the disease better and improve medicine. If it’s not deadly and easy to recover from you’d be correct. We may still get to that point but it’s probably not going to be through herd immunity.

[AZGrizFan]

Good news: Texas has third straight day of 1,000 new cases.

Bad news: the simple math says that rate won’t get them close to achieving herd immunity for years.

Texas’s daily death rate has dropped pretty steadily since they reopened the state on 5/1.

[kalm]

Good news: Texas has third straight day of 1,000 new cases.

Bad news: the simple math says that rate won’t get them close to achieving herd immunity for years.

Texas’s daily death rate has dropped pretty steadily since they reopened the state on 5/1.

Umm no.

[AZGrizFan]

Texas’s daily death rate has dropped pretty steadily since they reopened the state on 5/1.

Umm no.

Um...yeah.

April 29: 59
April 30: 53
May 1: 47
May 2: 25
May 3: 14
May 4: 27
May 5: 45
May 6: 46
May 7: 23
May 8: 50
May 9: 32
May10: 22
May 11: 20
May 12: 26
May 13: 38
May 14: 41
May 15: 50
May 16: 32
May 17: 20
May 18: 9
May 19: 33
May 20: 21
May 21: 63
May 22: 26
May 23: 15
May 24: 8
May 25: 7
May 26: 21
May 27: 39
May 28: 21
May 29: 31
May 30: 25
May 31: 7
June 1: 13
June 2: 36

7 day moving average has dropped from 35 to 24 since 5/1. Yes, there’s peaks and valleys, but no impartial view can look at the graph and NOT agree with my statement.

[kalm]

Umm no.

Um...yeah.

April 29: 59
April 30: 53
May 1: 47
May 2: 25
May 3: 14
May 4: 27
May 5: 45
May 6: 46
May 7: 23
May 8: 50
May 9: 32
May10: 22
May 11: 20
May 12: 26
May 13: 38
May 14: 41
May 15: 50
May 16: 32
May 17: 20
May 18: 9
May 19: 33
May 20: 21
May 21: 63
May 22: 26
May 23: 15
May 24: 8
May 25: 7
May 26: 21
May 27: 39
May 28: 21
May 29: 31
May 30: 25
May 31: 7
June 1: 13
June 2: 36

7 day moving average has dropped from 35 to 24 since 5/1. Yes, there’s peaks and valleys, but no impartial view can look at the graph and NOT agree with my statement.

My bad. I was thinking case rate which is more significant right now. Death rates going down can obviously be a good sign that the virus is less lethal and/or earlier diagnosis and treatment is improving. However, it also is driven by number of infections. Again, Covid looks like the Walmart of viruses. Low margin (deaths)...high volume retailer. SARS one only infected 9000 people worldwide. Covid is a way better killer due to sheer numbers.

[CID1990]

Um...yeah.

April 29: 59
April 30: 53
May 1: 47
May 2: 25
May 3: 14
May 4: 27
May 5: 45
May 6: 46
May 7: 23
May 8: 50
May 9: 32
May10: 22
May 11: 20
May 12: 26
May 13: 38
May 14: 41
May 15: 50
May 16: 32
May 17: 20
May 18: 9
May 19: 33
May 20: 21
May 21: 63
May 22: 26
May 23: 15
May 24: 8
May 25: 7
May 26: 21
May 27: 39
May 28: 21
May 29: 31
May 30: 25
May 31: 7
June 1: 13
June 2: 36

7 day moving average has dropped from 35 to 24 since 5/1. Yes, there’s peaks and valleys, but no impartial view can look at the graph and NOT agree with my statement.

My bad. I was thinking case rate which is more significant right now. Death rates going down can obviously be a good sign that the virus is less lethal and/or earlier diagnosis and treatment is improving. However, it also is driven by number of infections. Again, Covid looks like the Walmart of viruses. Low margin (deaths)...high volume retailer. SARS one only infected 9000 people worldwide. Covid is a way better killer due to sheer numbers.

What is it, like 1 am in the Palouse?

Go cuddle your wife or something. If she allows you in the same room at night

[kalm]

My bad. I was thinking case rate which is more significant right now. Death rates going down can obviously be a good sign that the virus is less lethal and/or earlier diagnosis and treatment is improving. However, it also is driven by number of infections. Again, Covid looks like the Walmart of viruses. Low margin (deaths)...high volume retailer. SARS one only infected 9000 people worldwide. Covid is a way better killer due to sheer numbers.

What is it, like 1 am in the Palouse?

Go cuddle your wife or something. If she allows you in the same room at night

Went to sleep at 8:00 watching the Orvis Fly Fishing show and slept in until almost 4:00. Teeing it up in an hour with a couple of EWU coaches. Wife is cuddling the boxer.

[CID1990]

What is it, like 1 am in the Palouse?

Go cuddle your wife or something. If she allows you in the same room at night

Went to sleep at 8:00 watching the Orvis Fly Fishing show and slept in until almost 4:00. Teeing it up in an hour with a couple of EWU coaches. Wife is cuddling the boxer.

Meriwether or Sugar Ray?