Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

Went to sleep at 8:00 watching the Orvis Fly Fishing show and slept in until almost 4:00. Teeing it up in an hour with a couple of EWU coaches. Wife is cuddling the boxer.

Meriwether or Sugar Ray?

Dick!

Probably the Hands of Stone.

[GannonFan]

As long as those 1000 new cases don't result in a significant uptick of really serious illness (i.e. hospitalization, death, etc) then we're good. Cases by themselves mean little, it's the significant outcomes that do. The virus is out there, we're not going to eradicate it.

Case counts drive the other numbers. EG: only 1% die from it but that’s still a big number. I agree that hospitalization and recovery time are also significant. Those can be improved upon through treatment as we understand the disease better and improve medicine. If it’s not deadly and easy to recover from you’d be correct. We may still get to that point but it’s probably not going to be through herd immunity.

Of course they do, but we honestly have no idea how many cases there truly are due to the vast number of asymptomatic people. When we start testing more people the case number shoots up because of this.

The number that we have to manage and really look after is the number of serious cases, those that result in hospitalization, especially those that tie up critical resources like ICU's. That's what could be swamped and that's what's always been the real point of the flatten the curve idea. As long as we don't need to make medical calls over who lives and who dies because of scarcity (and even in NYC we never had to do that, yet at least). With testing variances causing the case numbers to jump up and down unevenly, the one thing that supersedes cases is serious hospitalization - that's far more reliable to see and measure. And really, that's the important thing. I don't care if 50M people get COVID, if none of those 50M people require significant care or have bad outcomes. I do care when people get COVID and need hospitalization in order to live. There's a difference there.

[UNI88]

My bad. I was thinking case rate which is more significant right now. Death rates going down can obviously be a good sign that the virus is less lethal and/or earlier diagnosis and treatment is improving. However, it also is driven by number of infections. Again, Covid looks like the Walmart of viruses. Low margin (deaths)...high volume retailer. SARS one only infected 9000 people worldwide. Covid is a way better killer due to sheer numbers.

What is it, like 1 am in the Palouse?

Go cuddle your wife or something. If she allows you in the same room at night

It's the Palouse. Why do you think Kalm moved to the country? So he could keep sheep to cuddle with.

Lambchops I hear ewe calling
But I can't come to the barn right now
Me and the boys are message boarding
And I just can't win the debate

[Ibanez]

Good news: Texas has third straight day of 1,000 new cases.

Bad news: the simple math says that rate won’t get them close to achieving herd immunity for years.

Cases in York County, SC are up 15.9% since last week. Deaths are up 33.3%.

[CAA Flagship]

What is it, like 1 am in the Palouse?

Go cuddle your wife or something. If she allows you in the same room at night

It's the Palouse. Why do you think Kalm moved to the country? So he could keep sheep to cuddle with.

Lambchops I hear ewe calling
But I can't come to the barn right now
Me and the boys are message boarding
And I just can't win the debate

That doesn't rhyme. BOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[UNI88]

It's the Palouse. Why do you think Kalm moved to the country? So he could keep sheep to cuddle with.

Lambchops I hear ewe calling
But I can't come to the barn right now
Me and the boys are message boarding
And I just can't win the debate

That doesn't rhyme. BOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Sorry! It was a subpar attempt and I'll do better next time.

[CAA Flagship]

That doesn't rhyme. BOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Sorry! It was a subpar attempt and I'll do better next time.

Damn right you will. We have standards here to uphold.

[SeattleGriz]

COVID is over.

[HI54UNI]

Good news: Texas has third straight day of 1,000 new cases.

Bad news: the simple math says that rate won’t get them close to achieving herd immunity for years.

Cases in York County, SC are up 15.9% since last week. Deaths are up 33.3%.

What are the actual numbers? My county increased 400% in the last week which will scare kalm but maybe he will relax when I say we went from 3 cases to 12 cases.

[CID1990]

What is it, like 1 am in the Palouse?

Go cuddle your wife or something. If she allows you in the same room at night

It's the Palouse. Why do you think Kalm moved to the country? So he could keep sheep to cuddle with.

Lambchops I hear ewe calling
But I can't come to the barn right now
Me and the boys are message boarding
And I just can't win the debate

Nice use of Kiss right there

[CID1990]

Why is the glass always half empty with you guys?

Look at it this way - we’re clearing the Social Security rolls

Hell, Congress will be able to pilfer from it for a whole nother decade

[kalm]

Cases in York County, SC are up 15.9% since last week. Deaths are up 33.3%.

What are the actual numbers? My county increased 400% in the last week which will scare kalm but maybe he will relax when I say we went from 3 cases to 12 cases.

Not at all. That’s the most frustrating and trippy part of this whole deal. I get it. The numbers are relatively low here as well. But there are people much smarter than me (not a shocker) that still think there’s reason for concern and measured steps.

[Ibanez]

Cases in York County, SC are up 15.9% since last week. Deaths are up 33.3%.

What are the actual numbers? My county increased 400% in the last week which will scare kalm but maybe he will relax when I say we went from 3 cases to 12 cases.

That's where you see the real impact. 421 Confirmed Cases...8 deaths.

[Ibanez]

Cases in York County, SC are up 15.9% since last week. Deaths are up 33.3%.

What are the actual numbers? My county increased 400% in the last week which will scare kalm but maybe he will relax when I say we went from 3 cases to 12 cases.

That's where you see the real impact. 421 Confirmed Cases...8 deaths.

[CAA Flagship]

Why is the glass always half empty with you guys?

Look at it this way - we’re clearing the Social Security rolls

Hell, Congress will be able to pilfer from it for a whole nother decade

Don't forget Medicaid and Medicare.

[UNI88]

Why is the glass always half empty with you guys?

Look at it this way - we’re clearing the Social Security rolls

Hell, Congress will be able to pilfer from it for a whole nother decade

Let's poor a little more in the glass when we think about the retirement savings of all those people that will pass to their heirs and be used to buy new cars, down payments on houses, etc. Some of it will even exceed the federal exemption and be taxed at 40%. Talk about stimulating the economy and funding the government.

And the bonus is that the majority of them were probably Trump voters.

[kalm]

Sweden is no better off. Their economy has also taken a bigger hit than neighboring countries and now travel to other Nordic states is being restricted.

We should have done more, admits architect of Sweden's Covid-19 strategy

Anders Tegnell says there was ‘potential for improvement’ in country’s strategy to fight pandemic
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Jon Henley
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Wed 3 Jun 2020

Sweden’s chief epidemiologist and the architect of its light-touch approach to the coronavirus has acknowledged that the country has had too many deaths from Covid-19 and should have done more to curb the spread of the virus.

Anders Tegnell, who has previously criticised other countries’ strict lockdowns as not sustainable in the long run, told Swedish Radio on Wednesday that there was “quite obviously a potential for improvement in what we have done” in Sweden.

Asked whether too many people in Sweden had died, he replied: “Yes, absolutely,” adding that the country would “have to consider in the future whether there was a way of preventing” such a high toll.

Sweden’s death rate per capita was the highest in the world over the seven days to 2 June, figures suggest. This week the government bowed to mounting opposition pressure and promised to set up a commission to look into its Covid-19 strategy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... rs-tegnell

[CAA Flagship]

[kalm]

Happy Thursday....

(No link...but it comes from a solid source)

KEY DATA OF THE DAY

The number of confirmed cases is growing faster than ever as new hot spots emerge around the world.

The coronavirus pandemic is ebbing in some of the countries that were hit hard early on, but the number of new cases is growing faster than ever worldwide, with more than 100,000 reported each day.

Twice as many countries have reported a rise in new cases over the past two weeks as have reported declines, according to a New York Times database. On May 30, more new cases were reported in a single day worldwide than ever before: 134,064. The increase has been driven by emerging hot spots in Latin America, Africa, Asia and the Middle East.

Over all, there have been more than 6.3 million reported cases worldwide and more than 380,000 known deaths. More than a quarter of all known deaths have been in the United States. But the geography of the pandemic is changing quickly.

The increases in some countries can be attributed to improved testing programs. But in many places, it appears that the virus has only now arrived with a wide scope and fatal force. Here is a look at some of the countries where the number of new cases has been doubling every two to three weeks.

The death toll in Brazil, Latin America’s largest country, passed 30,000 on Tuesday, when officials reported 1,262 deaths, which was the nation’s highest one-day total. President Jair Bolsonaro, who has repeatedly minimized the threat, said, “We are sorry for all the dead, but that’s everyone’s destiny.” Brazil now has more than half a million known cases, second only to the United States.

But it has no health minister: Two were forced out in less than a month after they balked at expanding the use of hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug promoted by President Trump and subsequently Mr. Bolsonaro that has not been proved effective against the virus. And despite the growing number of cases and hospitals that are close to capacity, businesses have started reopening in major cities, including Rio de Janeiro, Manaus and Vitória.

Peru has more than 170,000 confirmed cases, despite taking the virus seriously early on. The president, Martín Vizcarra, ordered one of the first national lockdowns in South America. Though the official virus death toll stands at around 5,000, Peru had 14,000 more deaths than usual in May, suggesting that a growing number of people are dying at home as hospitals struggle to handle a flood of cases.

The pandemic provoked an exodus from Lima, the capital, as people unable to work fled by bus, and even by foot, to family farms. It is widely expected that the number of new cases and of deaths will continue to rise in coming weeks as winter nears and the economy slowly reopens.

For months, Egypt, the Arab world’s most populous country, seemed to avoid the worst of the pandemic. In early March, Egypt confirmed 45 cases on a Nile tour boat in the area, among both crew and passengers. But recently the number of cases there has been rising significantly, reaching 27,536 on Tuesday.

The recent death of a young doctor, who was denied treatment for Covid-19 at an overwhelmed hospital, ignited a revolt by members of the medical staff. They said the government had failed to provide adequate protective equipment and training to front-line workers.

With more than 35,000 confirmed infections, the most in Africa, South Africa still has a growing number of new cases, despite enacting a strict lockdown in March that included a ban on the sale of tobacco and alcohol. The prohibition was lifted this month even though the total number of cases continued to rise.

Bangladesh now has 55,000 known cases, and its troubles were compounded last month by Cyclone Amphan, a deadly storm that tore through communities under lockdown.

This week, the country reported its first death from Covid-19 in a refugee camp: A 71-year-old Rohingya man died May 31 while receiving treatment in an isolation center. His death raised fears about the hundreds of thousands of Rohingya refugees who, after fleeing Myanmar, live in camps with tightly packed tents and shacks.

[Ibanez]

Happy Thursday....

(No link...but it comes from a solid source)

KEY DATA OF THE DAY

The number of confirmed cases is growing faster than ever as new hot spots emerge around the world.

The coronavirus pandemic is ebbing in some of the countries that were hit hard early on, but the number of new cases is growing faster than ever worldwide, with more than 100,000 reported each day.

Twice as many countries have reported a rise in new cases over the past two weeks as have reported declines, according to a New York Times database. On May 30, more new cases were reported in a single day worldwide than ever before: 134,064. The increase has been driven by emerging hot spots in Latin America, Africa, Asia and the Middle East.

Over all, there have been more than 6.3 million reported cases worldwide and more than 380,000 known deaths. More than a quarter of all known deaths have been in the United States. But the geography of the pandemic is changing quickly.

The increases in some countries can be attributed to improved testing programs. But in many places, it appears that the virus has only now arrived with a wide scope and fatal force. Here is a look at some of the countries where the number of new cases has been doubling every two to three weeks.

The death toll in Brazil, Latin America’s largest country, passed 30,000 on Tuesday, when officials reported 1,262 deaths, which was the nation’s highest one-day total. President Jair Bolsonaro, who has repeatedly minimized the threat, said, “We are sorry for all the dead, but that’s everyone’s destiny.” Brazil now has more than half a million known cases, second only to the United States.

But it has no health minister: Two were forced out in less than a month after they balked at expanding the use of hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug promoted by President Trump and subsequently Mr. Bolsonaro that has not been proved effective against the virus. And despite the growing number of cases and hospitals that are close to capacity, businesses have started reopening in major cities, including Rio de Janeiro, Manaus and Vitória.

Peru has more than 170,000 confirmed cases, despite taking the virus seriously early on. The president, Martín Vizcarra, ordered one of the first national lockdowns in South America. Though the official virus death toll stands at around 5,000, Peru had 14,000 more deaths than usual in May, suggesting that a growing number of people are dying at home as hospitals struggle to handle a flood of cases.

The pandemic provoked an exodus from Lima, the capital, as people unable to work fled by bus, and even by foot, to family farms. It is widely expected that the number of new cases and of deaths will continue to rise in coming weeks as winter nears and the economy slowly reopens.

For months, Egypt, the Arab world’s most populous country, seemed to avoid the worst of the pandemic. In early March, Egypt confirmed 45 cases on a Nile tour boat in the area, among both crew and passengers. But recently the number of cases there has been rising significantly, reaching 27,536 on Tuesday.

The recent death of a young doctor, who was denied treatment for Covid-19 at an overwhelmed hospital, ignited a revolt by members of the medical staff. They said the government had failed to provide adequate protective equipment and training to front-line workers.

With more than 35,000 confirmed infections, the most in Africa, South Africa still has a growing number of new cases, despite enacting a strict lockdown in March that included a ban on the sale of tobacco and alcohol. The prohibition was lifted this month even though the total number of cases continued to rise.

Bangladesh now has 55,000 known cases, and its troubles were compounded last month by Cyclone Amphan, a deadly storm that tore through communities under lockdown.

This week, the country reported its first death from Covid-19 in a refugee camp: A 71-year-old Rohingya man died May 31 while receiving treatment in an isolation center. His death raised fears about the hundreds of thousands of Rohingya refugees who, after fleeing Myanmar, live in camps with tightly packed tents and shacks.

What's the source?

[AZGrizFan]

Average # of daily deaths down from a 4/15 high of 7500 to less than 5,000 on average.

USA’s 7-day moving average has gone from 32k new cases to 22k new cases.

USA deaths 7-day moving average has gone from 2208 to 1005 since 4/11.

New York’s 7-day moving average for new cases has gone from 10,000 to 1,167. Deaths from 955 to 88/day
New Jersey’s from 2675 to 851. Deaths from 272/day to 81
Illinois: 2554 to 1361. Deaths from 116 to 77/day
California one of the few that’s still increasing, up from 1144/day to 2673/day since 4/15; deaths, however, have dropped from 85 to 62/day
massoftwoshits data is all over the board. They must have a 6-year old tracking it.
Pennsylvania cases down from 1702 to 604, deaths from 163 to 64/day

[BDKJMU]

Media are making a mistake in reporting on this:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/21/health/h ... index.html

Study finds no benefit, higher death rate in patients taking hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19

It's an observational study. One obvious possible reason why the subjects taking the drug died at a higher rate is that people who were in more serious condition may have been more likely to have received the drug.

Let's all just wait for completion of clinical trials. Don't get ahead of yourselves, media, with a "SEE IT DOESN"T WORK" narrative.

Too late. The MSM can't help their TDS..

Authors retract influential Lancet article that found hydroxychloroquine risks

NEW YORK (Reuters) - An influential medical journal article that found hydroxychloroquine increased the risk of death in COVID-19 patients was retracted on Thursday, adding to the controversy around a drug championed by U.S. President Donald Trump.

Three of the authors of the article retracted it, citing concerns about the quality and veracity of data in the study.

The anti-malarial drug has been controversial in part due to support from Trump, as well as implications of the study published in British medical journal the Lancet last month, which led several COVID-19 studies to be halted.

The three authors said Surgisphere, the company that provided the data, would not transfer the dataset for an independent review and that they “can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources.”

The fourth author of the study, Dr. Sapan Desai, the chief executive of Surgisphere, declined to comment on the retraction.

“When you have reputable journals that put this kind of work out and are retracted 10 days later, it just increases mistrust,” said Dr. Walid Gellad, a professor at University of Pittsburgh’s medical school. “It just adds fuel to the fire of this controversy around hydroxychloroquine ... It’s the last thing we needed with this particular drug.”

Another study published in the New England Journal of Medicine that relied on Surgisphere data and shared the same lead author, Harvard Medical School Professor Mandeep Mehra, was also retracted for the same reason.

The observational study published in the Lancet on May 22 said it looked at 96,000 hospitalized COVID-19 patients, some treated with the decades-old malaria drug. It claimed that those treated with hydroxychloroquine or the related chloroquine had higher risk of death and heart rhythm problems than patients who were not given the medicines.

The World Health Organization, which paused hydroxychloroquine trials after The Lancet study was released, said on Wednesday it was ready to resume trials, and dozens of other trials have resumed or are in process.

“I did not do enough to ensure that the data source was appropriate for this use,” the study’s lead author, Harvard Medical School Professor Mandeep Mehra, said in a statement. “For that, and for all the disruptions – both directly and indirectly – I am truly sorry.”

Many scientists voiced concern about the study, which had already been corrected last week to reflect that some of the location data was wrong. Nearly 150 doctors signed an open letter to the Lancet calling the article’s conclusions into question and asking to make public the peer review comments that preceded publication.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN23B31W

[GannonFan]

Some hope that the economy does spring back as things get opened up - unemployment rate actually dropped as more hiring offset lost jobs.

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-unem ... d=71085933

[Ibanez]

Media are making a mistake in reporting on this:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/21/health/h ... index.html



It's an observational study. One obvious possible reason why the subjects taking the drug died at a higher rate is that people who were in more serious condition may have been more likely to have received the drug.

Let's all just wait for completion of clinical trials. Don't get ahead of yourselves, media, with a "SEE IT DOESN"T WORK" narrative.

Too late. The MSM can't help their TDS..

Authors retract influential Lancet article that found hydroxychloroquine risks

NEW YORK (Reuters) - An influential medical journal article that found hydroxychloroquine increased the risk of death in COVID-19 patients was retracted on Thursday, adding to the controversy around a drug championed by U.S. President Donald Trump.

Three of the authors of the article retracted it, citing concerns about the quality and veracity of data in the study.

The anti-malarial drug has been controversial in part due to support from Trump, as well as implications of the study published in British medical journal the Lancet last month, which led several COVID-19 studies to be halted.

The three authors said Surgisphere, the company that provided the data, would not transfer the dataset for an independent review and that they “can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources.”

The fourth author of the study, Dr. Sapan Desai, the chief executive of Surgisphere, declined to comment on the retraction.

“When you have reputable journals that put this kind of work out and are retracted 10 days later, it just increases mistrust,” said Dr. Walid Gellad, a professor at University of Pittsburgh’s medical school. “It just adds fuel to the fire of this controversy around hydroxychloroquine ... It’s the last thing we needed with this particular drug.”

Another study published in the New England Journal of Medicine that relied on Surgisphere data and shared the same lead author, Harvard Medical School Professor Mandeep Mehra, was also retracted for the same reason.

The observational study published in the Lancet on May 22 said it looked at 96,000 hospitalized COVID-19 patients, some treated with the decades-old malaria drug. It claimed that those treated with hydroxychloroquine or the related chloroquine had higher risk of death and heart rhythm problems than patients who were not given the medicines.

The World Health Organization, which paused hydroxychloroquine trials after The Lancet study was released, said on Wednesday it was ready to resume trials, and dozens of other trials have resumed or are in process.

“I did not do enough to ensure that the data source was appropriate for this use,” the study’s lead author, Harvard Medical School Professor Mandeep Mehra, said in a statement. “For that, and for all the disruptions – both directly and indirectly – I am truly sorry.”

Many scientists voiced concern about the study, which had already been corrected last week to reflect that some of the location data was wrong. Nearly 150 doctors signed an open letter to the Lancet calling the article’s conclusions into question and asking to make public the peer review comments that preceded publication.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN23B31W

Wow. If only we had seen this coming....

Trump pushed a drug that the medical experts say isn't good for the treatment of this virus. Then it comes out that he has a financial stake in the company that manufactures the drug.

Open your eyes, Shelby.

Link as to what medical experts have said "hydroxychloroquine isn't good for the treatment of this virus."

All I've seen is some have touted it's effect against the Chinese virus, and others (probably the majority) have exercised caution, said its anecdotal, and we need more study and proof.

There's some pretty strong anecdotal evidence though- see French study and testimony of other docs who've administered it.

Wrong- it hasn't been discontinued. Heck, my GF's co-worker with lupus just got a prescription filled, which she apparently had to go to several pharmacies to accomplish, because a lot of pharmacies are out of it, because so many docs are prescribing it in use against the Chinese virus.

https://championshipsubdivision.com/for ... e#p1304387

[AZGrizFan]

New York reports ZERO COVID deaths in the 24 hours starting Tuesday and ending Wednesday.