Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

They aren’t.

They drive the other numbers and are predictive of policy.

They aren't what; meaningless or stand alone stats?

Yes.

[SeattleGriz]

Nobody fucking cares, bro. The protestors sure as fuck didn’t care. And the politicians and athletes and Hollywood types who were championing their cause and their right to protest didn’t care about the impact their mass protests might have on COVID cases. The time for caring is O.V.E.R.

Open the shit back up, post haste. No more delays. No more excuses.

My favorite are the nurses that just went from a hospital, I guess being around Chinese Flu patients, and directly to a protest. If they don't give a fuck about spreading it, I sure as shit ain't.

My favorite has been a gal on Facebook. Adamant about the lockdown because of the susceptible population she lives with, to all of a sudden, it's required to protest.

Biggest flip flop I have seen.

[Baldy]

I'll take social engineering for $200, Alex.

[Ibanez]

New cases is meaningless.

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[CAA Flagship]

New cases is meaningless.

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I gave him a pass on that because new cases is meant to be a term for a category. "New Cases"

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Hope that’s right but the only places going down right now are in the NE and Europe.

“PHOENIX -- The chief clinical officer at the state's largest hospital network said Friday that Arizona is headed to a health crisis if residents don't change their habits to deal with COVID-19.

Dr. Marjorie Bessel said the intensive-care units at the Maricopa County hospitals for Banner Health already are at full capacity. And other hospitals in Arizona are rapidly approaching that point.

Bessel said that's no surprise, given the increasing number of cases of the coronavirus. The took a big jump Friday, with 1,579 new cases, bringing the tally in Arizona to 24,332.

But she parted ways with Gov. Doug Ducey and state Health Director Cara Christ who have said that the increase is largely a factor of more people getting tested.

The doctor noted a sharp spike in infections following the decision in the middle of last month by the governor to scrap his stay-at-home order.

"We do have community spread of COVID-19 in Arizona and we have had community spread in Arizona,'' she said, with people infecting each other through close contact and not taking precautions.

That's not all.

"We are seeing an increase in the sickest of the sick,'' she said.

"These are COVID-19 patients who are in the ICU who are ventilated,'' Bessel said. "And those individuals are in our hospitals for a long period of time,'' she said.

In fact, Bessel provided data showing the number of Banner patients on ventilators has tripled in less than two weeks.”



https://www.verdenews.com/news/2020/jun ... -headed-h/

Nobody fucking cares, bro. The protestors sure as fuck didn’t care. And the politicians and athletes and Hollywood types who were championing their cause and their right to protest and riot didn’t care about the impact their mass riots might have on COVID cases. The time for caring is O.V.E.R.

Open the shit back up, post haste. No more delays. No more excuses.

Yep.

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[SDHornet]

New case counts are meaningless, especially since testing was ramped up weeks ago. Death counts matter and they have been trending down since April 21st according to the Worldometer graph. Leftists should focus on the "2nd wave" fear porn instead.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[BDKJMU]

My favorite are the nurses that just went from a hospital, I guess being around Chinese Flu patients, and directly to a protest. If they don't give a fuck about spreading it, I sure as shit ain't.

Again...the numbers and virus don’t care. They just do their thing. We’ve been averaging around 20,000 new cases per day over the past 3 weeks and on Thursday, that jumped to 41,000. Brazil is another one not doing so well going steady at about 30,000/day.

The one thing you guys are right about is the protests. Those should cause a further bump over the next few weeks.

Amid reopenings and street protests, coronavirus transmission remains high in much of the U.S.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

WGAF? We’ve massively increased testing. Tested 20 some million people. The only things that matter are:
-hospitalizations
-deaths

[BDKJMU]

New cases is meaningless.

Yep.

[BDKJMU]

New case counts are meaningless, especially since testing was ramped up weeks ago. Death counts matter and they have been trending down since April 21st according to the Worldometer graph. Leftists should focus on the "2nd wave" fear porn instead.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Yep.

[kalm]

New cases is meaningless.

Yep.

Nope. That’s the intellectual equivalent of calling it the flu.

Cases drives the other numbers.

Let me know how can help you out more.

[UNI88]

Yep.

Nope. That’s the intellectual equivalent of calling it the flu.

Cases drives the other numbers.

Let me know how can help you out more.

So if the increase in new cases is proportional to the increase in testing and deaths haven't increased proportionally or even dropped we have evidence the virus might be as deadly as feared?

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[Skjellyfetti]

deaths lag.

deaths usually are preceded by a week or two in the icu gradually drowning on your own lung fluid.

[kalm]

Nope. That’s the intellectual equivalent of calling it the flu.

Cases drives the other numbers.

Let me know how can help you out more.

So if the increase in new cases is proportional to the increase in testing and deaths haven't increased proportionally or even dropped we have evidence the virus might be as deadly as feared?

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Define deadly and what was feared.

Does the disease kill people? Yes. Does the disease cause hospitalizations? Yes. Does recovery from the disease effect worker productivity? Yes.

What’s the acceptable number of total deaths, hospitalizations, and lost productivity (including the potential for repeated future lockdowns)? Dunno.

[SDHornet]

So deaths have been lagging since April 21st?

Businesses should just reopen in the name of supporting BLM and then the gubmint won't bother them I guess.

[JohnStOnge]

Nope. That’s the intellectual equivalent of calling it the flu.

Cases drives the other numbers.

Let me know how can help you out more.

So if the increase in new cases is proportional to the increase in testing and deaths haven't increased proportionally or even dropped we have evidence the virus might be as deadly as feared?

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A number of things could be happening. I suspect the actual number of new cases per day in the United States has indeed been decreasing. I say that partially because testing has been increasing but daily new case counts have been kind of holding steady. Another thing that could be going on is a seasonal factor. There has also been a big change in behavior. Yes, I know we are having those protests and we'll see what happens with that. But there is no question that a lot of people have significantly altered their behavior.

With respect to deaths: There is always the possibility that health care providers are learning to better manage the condition. That could be a factor.

Note that it has always been the case that the models indicated things would slow down during this summer. The very first run of the IHME model on March 25 projected that daily new deaths would be at zero on July 16. That was based, I think, on the assumption of strict "social distancing." But it's there.

I think it's always been the case that there was an expectation that things would slow down at least SOME during the summer and that the concern is for things to ramp back up again during late fall or early winter.

[BDKJMU]

Yep.

Nope. That’s the intellectual equivalent of calling it the flu.

Cases drives the other numbers.

Let me know how can help you out more.

Swing and a miss. Deaths have been going down for 7 weeks more or less as case #s have gone up. Looks like you’re the one that needs help.

[kalm]

Nope. That’s the intellectual equivalent of calling it the flu.

Cases drives the other numbers.

Let me know how can help you out more.

Swing and a miss. Deaths have been going down for 7 weeks more or less as case #s have gone up. Looks like you’re the one that needs help.

Wait a second....

You mean to tell me deaths rates go down as testing, earlier diagnosis, and treatment improves? Fantastic!

[houndawg]

I wasn't paying attention to what economists were predicting but i don't find a big resurgence in jobs surprising at all. Once State governments began "re-opening" one would expect to see a bunch of people who'd been laid off to be hired back. I don't think Trump has much to do with it though.

What Trump had something to do with is the fact that we had to shut the economy down to the extent that we did to begin with because he did his travel restriction thing...which he should have known would not work...then acted like the problem was solved.

Of course. With your expertise in economics I’d expect you to have the all figured out....WTF do those ACTUAL economists know, right?

about as much as your average astrologer.

[AZGrizFan]

Of course. With your expertise in economics I’d expect you to have the all figured out....WTF do those ACTUAL economists know, right?

about as much as your average astrologer.

And less than JSO.

[CID1990]

Obviously this theory has been out there for a while, but this article fleshes out a little better in layman’s terms why the novel coronavirus may be so virulent


https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel ... 9c2d90121d

Not just the US and China, but many countries experiment with viruses in this way - by modifying them to study transmissibility. We may never know the real origin of this particular virus because China has pretty much shut down the information flow. But given what we know about the types of viral research done with these kinds of pathogens, and taken in the context of previous State Dept reporting on safety standards of the Wuhan labs, this definitely warrants further investigation


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[Ibanez]

Obviously this theory has been out there for a while, but this article fleshes out a little better in layman’s terms why the novel coronavirus may be so virulent


https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel ... 9c2d90121d

Not just the US and China, but many countries experiment with viruses in this way - by modifying them to study transmissibility. We may never know the real origin of this particular virus because China has pretty much shut down the information flow. But given what we know about the types of viral research done with these kinds of pathogens, and taken in the context of previous State Dept reporting on safety standards of the Wuhan labs, this definitely warrants further investigation


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Very plausible but as you said, we will never know the real origin. The part of about the protein spike and lack of mutation are quite convincing. I'd be interested to know what constitutes a "lack of mutation since discovery" since there are at least 8 or so different strains (and that may be my fundamental lack of and misunderstanding of infectious diseases and epidemiology.)

[Ibanez]

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I gave him a pass on that because new cases is meant to be a term for a category. "New Cases"

I'm not sure I agree. Early on in this, people were saying COVID-19 isn't a big deal b/c the death rate was so low. The death rate can only be so low b/c it's measured against the infection rate. If one metric matters would it not make sense that the data that goes into that metric matters? So to now say that the infection rate doesn't matter but the death rate does, to me, highlights a disconnect in logic. I think new cases (or New Cases) do matter. Death is not the only outcome of infection, there are other chronic issues that remain for those whom survive.

If new cases mean nothing then anything that follows a new cases is equally meaningless.

[kalm]

Obviously this theory has been out there for a while, but this article fleshes out a little better in layman’s terms why the novel coronavirus may be so virulent


https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel ... 9c2d90121d

Not just the US and China, but many countries experiment with viruses in this way - by modifying them to study transmissibility. We may never know the real origin of this particular virus because China has pretty much shut down the information flow. But given what we know about the types of viral research done with these kinds of pathogens, and taken in the context of previous State Dept reporting on safety standards of the Wuhan labs, this definitely warrants further investigation


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Interesting. And there’s new evidence that they knew about much earlier in the fall...


“ABC News Corona Virus Health and Science

Satellite data suggests coronavirus may have hit China earlier...

Researchers say surge in cars at hospitals may indicate outbreak in fall.”

https://abcnews.go.com/International/sa ... d=71123270

[CAA Flagship]

I gave him a pass on that because new cases is meant to be a term for a category. "New Cases"

I'm not sure I agree. Early on in this, people were saying COVID-19 isn't a big deal b/c the death rate was so low. The death rate can only be so low b/c it's measured against the infection rate. If one metric matters would it not make sense that the data that goes into that metric matters? So to now say that the infection rate doesn't matter but the death rate does, to me, highlights a disconnect in logic. I think new cases (or New Cases) do matter. Death is not the only outcome of infection, there are other chronic issues that remain for those whom survive.

If new cases mean nothing then anything that follows a new cases is equally meaningless.

Surely, you didn't mean that response to be directed at my comment.