2020 General Election

[kalm]

No…it’s not. For several reasons. Lol.

Asking to “recalculate” after you’ve been told by your own people not to mention Georgia election officials and the courts that there’s no evidence of voting fraud that would effect the outcome certainly sounds like he, the sitting president, was indeed asking someone to break laws.

Who knows if that’s enough to convict or if there’s additional related evidence of conspiracy but there’s enough to convene a grand jury and enforce subpoenas that were challenged.

What power does the "sitting president" have over the secretary of state of Georgia? Unless I'm mistaken, he has no power over him.

Intimidation.

[kalm]

What power does the "sitting president" have over the secretary of state of Georgia? Unless I'm mistaken, he has no power over him.

As for the grand jury, what do we think this grand jury will glean that the "special" grand jury that came before it didn't already obtain? Again, if it was this clear cut, we wouldn't need all of these grand juries to find the criminal conduct.

kalm's nitpicking to criticize trump and defend/deflect for Biden is similar to how BDK does the opposite.

UNI88’s frustrated when there’s not a direct analog between both sides.

[UNI88]

kalm's nitpicking to criticize trump and defend/deflect for Biden is similar to how BDK does the opposite.

UNI88’s frustrated when there’s not a direct analog between both sides.

Direct isn't required, just analogous which we have when comparing how your nitpicking to criticize trump and defend/deflect for Biden is similar to BDKalmR's nitpicking to criticize Biden and defend/deflect for trump.

[GannonFan]

What power does the "sitting president" have over the secretary of state of Georgia? Unless I'm mistaken, he has no power over him.

Intimidation.

Really? He has no power over him but he's intimidating him? Did he flex over the phone? Did he threaten him directly? Come on, you just can't want there to be something there as a threshold for criminal conduct. There's a reason why this thing hasn't resulted in indictments yet, approaching 2.5 years from when it happened and when we've had the phone conversation reported in depth almost from the moment it happened. He didn't tell the guy to lie. He didn't tell the guy to make up knowingly false numbers. He didn't tell the guy to illegally do anything. And the guy, in turn, didn't do anything illegal. I don't like Trump either, but again, that's not grounds for criminal conduct.

[kalm]

Intimidation.

Really? He has no power over him but he's intimidating him? Did he flex over the phone? Did he threaten him directly? Come on, you just can't want there to be something there as a threshold for criminal conduct. There's a reason why this thing hasn't resulted in indictments yet, approaching 2.5 years from when it happened and when we've had the phone conversation reported in depth almost from the moment it happened. He didn't tell the guy to lie. He didn't tell the guy to make up knowingly false numbers. He didn't tell the guy to illegally do anything. And the guy, in turn, didn't do anything illegal. I don't like Trump either, but again, that's not grounds for criminal conduct.

And I get accused of being obtuse. Harrumph!

[GannonFan]

Really? He has no power over him but he's intimidating him? Did he flex over the phone? Did he threaten him directly? Come on, you just can't want there to be something there as a threshold for criminal conduct. There's a reason why this thing hasn't resulted in indictments yet, approaching 2.5 years from when it happened and when we've had the phone conversation reported in depth almost from the moment it happened. He didn't tell the guy to lie. He didn't tell the guy to make up knowingly false numbers. He didn't tell the guy to illegally do anything. And the guy, in turn, didn't do anything illegal. I don't like Trump either, but again, that's not grounds for criminal conduct.

And I get accused of being obtuse. Harrumph!

Like I said, provide something more. Just saying he wanted more votes isn't going to do it for a criminal case. In the court of public opinion, absolutely, the guy's slime. But that's not enough in court.

[kalm]

And I get accused of being obtuse. Harrumph!

Like I said, provide something more. Just saying he wanted more votes isn't going to do it for a criminal case. In the court of public opinion, absolutely, the guy's slime. But that's not enough in court.

I didn’t realize CS was an actual court of law and not just public opinion?

Excuse me…looks like I have some law school to attend.

[UNI88]

Here's you go BDkalmD, Read the full transcript and listen to Trump’s audio call with Georgia secretary of state

Go through this and you can piece together the parts that make your case. Of course, then you'll be like trump and Guilliani splicing video to get to the desired effect rather than the truth.

The Georgia guys held their own pretty well for being intimidated.

[kalm]

Here's you go BDkalmD, Read the full transcript and listen to Trump’s audio call with Georgia secretary of state

Go through this and you can piece together the parts that make your case. Of course, then you'll be like trump and Guilliani splicing video to get to the desired effect rather than the truth.

The Georgia guys held their own pretty well for being intimidated.

Thank you. Pretty sure I posted it back when it happened. And indeed they did.

[SeattleGriz]

Really? He has no power over him but he's intimidating him? Did he flex over the phone? Did he threaten him directly? Come on, you just can't want there to be something there as a threshold for criminal conduct. There's a reason why this thing hasn't resulted in indictments yet, approaching 2.5 years from when it happened and when we've had the phone conversation reported in depth almost from the moment it happened. He didn't tell the guy to lie. He didn't tell the guy to make up knowingly false numbers. He didn't tell the guy to illegally do anything. And the guy, in turn, didn't do anything illegal. I don't like Trump either, but again, that's not grounds for criminal conduct.

And I get accused of being obtuse. Harrumph!

You forgot lazy...

[kalm]

And I get accused of being obtuse. Harrumph!

You forgot lazy...

I honestly don’t think Ganny is lazy.

[BDKJMU]

How many court cases have we seen against Trump go nowhere? The lost is growing. Mueller, Shampeachment 1, Jan 6, multiple out if NY State, now this one in GA..

This lawfare by the left against Trump will continue for the foreseeable future as over the next several years we’re going to continue to see cases against Trump go nowhere..

[SeattleGriz]

Here's you go BDkalmD, Read the full transcript and listen to Trump’s audio call with Georgia secretary of state

Go through this and you can piece together the parts that make your case. Of course, then you'll be like trump and Guilliani splicing video to get to the desired effect rather than the truth.

The Georgia guys held their own pretty well for being intimidated.

That's not Trump and Gulliani, that's Project Veritas!

[UNI88]

Here's you go BDkalmD, Read the full transcript and listen to Trump’s audio call with Georgia secretary of state

Go through this and you can piece together the parts that make your case. Of course, then you'll be like trump and Guilliani splicing video to get to the desired effect rather than the truth.

The Georgia guys held their own pretty well for being intimidated.

That's not Trump and Gulliani, that's Project Veritas!

Can't it be both?

[houndawg]

Here's you go BDkalmD, Read the full transcript and listen to Trump’s audio call with Georgia secretary of state

Go through this and you can piece together the parts that make your case. Of course,then you'll be like trump and Guilliani splicing video to get to the desired effect rather than the truth.

The Georgia guys held their own pretty well for being intimidated.

the Georgia guys knew they were being recorded

[kalm]

Here's you go BDkalmD, Read the full transcript and listen to Trump’s audio call with Georgia secretary of state

Go through this and you can piece together the parts that make your case. Of course,then you'll be like trump and Guilliani splicing video to get to the desired effect rather than the truth.

The Georgia guys held their own pretty well for being intimidated.

the Georgia guys knew they were being recorded

That’s a very good point.

[BDKJMU]

Yup. We shouldn't be discounting any potential theory and anyone that says otherwise either 1) knows the truth; or 2) is full of it.

I'll bet it's #2.

You are correct that we should not discount any theory. But I think there is a lot more evidence right now to suggest that it was animal to human than there is to suggest it was a lab leak.

JSO- wrong for 2 years..

[kalm]

the Georgia guys knew they were being recorded

That’s a very good point.

Turns out…the Fox peeps knew what was up too. They’re viewers…not so much.

[houndawg]

Intimidation.

Really? He has no power over him but he's intimidating him? Did he flex over the phone? Did he threaten him directly? Come on, you just can't want there to be something there as a threshold for criminal conduct. There's a reason why this thing hasn't resulted in indictments yet, approaching 2.5 years from when it happened and when we've had the phone conversation reported in depth almost from the moment it happened. He didn't tell the guy to lie. He didn't tell the guy to make up knowingly false numbers. He didn't tell the guy to illegally do anything. And the guy, in turn, didn't do anything illegal. I don't like Trump either, but again, that's not grounds for criminal conduct.

"I just want to find 11,780 votes..."

[GannonFan]

Really? He has no power over him but he's intimidating him? Did he flex over the phone? Did he threaten him directly? Come on, you just can't want there to be something there as a threshold for criminal conduct. There's a reason why this thing hasn't resulted in indictments yet, approaching 2.5 years from when it happened and when we've had the phone conversation reported in depth almost from the moment it happened. He didn't tell the guy to lie. He didn't tell the guy to make up knowingly false numbers. He didn't tell the guy to illegally do anything. And the guy, in turn, didn't do anything illegal. I don't like Trump either, but again, that's not grounds for criminal conduct.

"I just want to find 11,780 votes..."

And? Did he tell him to do something illegal? Make up votes that aren't there? Throw away legal votes without any review? I think he was a bitter man at that moment (really is a bitter man most of the time) and he really wanted to win. But he's also a guy that has gone through most of his life avoiding getting his hands dirty by just outright saying something that is clearly criminal. He might be dirty (pretty sure he is) but in this case, with the evidence at hand, was there anything specifically criminal that can stand up in court? That quote you supplied won't do it.

[bobbythekidd]

"I just want to find 11,780 votes..."

And? Did he tell him to do something illegal? Make up votes that aren't there? Throw away legal votes without any review? I think he was a bitter man at that moment (really is a bitter man most of the time) and he really wanted to win. But he's also a guy that has gone through most of his life avoiding getting his hands dirty by just outright saying something that is clearly criminal. He might be dirty (pretty sure he is) but in this case, with the evidence at hand, was there anything specifically criminal that can stand up in court? That quote you supplied won't do it.

It was a damning phone call in the sense that it revealed even more of his character (or lack there of). It isn't anything that is going to stand up in court. It was the kind of intimidation with plausible deniability that a mob boss uses.

"That's a real nice fruit stand you got there... It'd be a shame if something bad were to happen to it."
"I want you to find X votes, find the fraud."

In the end, even if GA went along with it, he still would have needed to flip like 4 more states. He lost. He knew he lost. He lied about it. He's a liar.

[kalm]

And? Did he tell him to do something illegal? Make up votes that aren't there? Throw away legal votes without any review? I think he was a bitter man at that moment (really is a bitter man most of the time) and he really wanted to win. But he's also a guy that has gone through most of his life avoiding getting his hands dirty by just outright saying something that is clearly criminal. He might be dirty (pretty sure he is) but in this case, with the evidence at hand, was there anything specifically criminal that can stand up in court? That quote you supplied won't do it.

It was a damning phone call in the sense that it revealed even more of his character (or lack there of). It isn't anything that is going to stand up in court. It was the kind of intimidation with plausible deniability that a mob boss uses.

"That's a real nice fruit stand you got there... It'd be a shame if something bad were to happen to it."
"I want you to find X votes, find the fraud."

In the end, even if GA went along with it, he still would have needed to flip like 4 more states. He lost. He knew he lost. He lied about it. He's a liar.

100% this.

And I’m guessing the DA knows what can and what will result in a conviction and whether it’s worth pursuing. This may not be a crime in and of itself but couldn’t it be used to show intent?

[GannonFan]

And? Did he tell him to do something illegal? Make up votes that aren't there? Throw away legal votes without any review? I think he was a bitter man at that moment (really is a bitter man most of the time) and he really wanted to win. But he's also a guy that has gone through most of his life avoiding getting his hands dirty by just outright saying something that is clearly criminal. He might be dirty (pretty sure he is) but in this case, with the evidence at hand, was there anything specifically criminal that can stand up in court? That quote you supplied won't do it.

It was a damning phone call in the sense that it revealed even more of his character (or lack there of). It isn't anything that is going to stand up in court. It was the kind of intimidation with plausible deniability that a mob boss uses.

"That's a real nice fruit stand you got there... It'd be a shame if something bad were to happen to it."
"I want you to find X votes, find the fraud."

In the end, even if GA went along with it, he still would have needed to flip like 4 more states. He lost. He knew he lost. He lied about it. He's a liar.

No doubt, he's a fairly despicable person, and yes, flipping Georgia by itself wouldn't have done anything to change the outcome of the election. But despite him being despicable, I still don't see a crime here relative to that phone call.

[GannonFan]

It was a damning phone call in the sense that it revealed even more of his character (or lack there of). It isn't anything that is going to stand up in court. It was the kind of intimidation with plausible deniability that a mob boss uses.

"That's a real nice fruit stand you got there... It'd be a shame if something bad were to happen to it."
"I want you to find X votes, find the fraud."

In the end, even if GA went along with it, he still would have needed to flip like 4 more states. He lost. He knew he lost. He lied about it. He's a liar.

100% this.

And I’m guessing the DA knows what can and what will result in a conviction and whether it’s worth pursuing. This may not be a crime in and of itself but couldn’t it be used to show intent?

Intent? To do what? He didn't say anything criminal should be done, he didn't personally threaten the guy he was talking to, and he didn't refer to anything else illegal. He had motive, i.e. he wanted to win the election, but that's not a crime. He was delusional, but again, not a crime.

[kalm]

100% this.

And I’m guessing the DA knows what can and what will result in a conviction and whether it’s worth pursuing. This may not be a crime in and of itself but couldn’t it be used to show intent?

Intent? To do what? He didn't say anything criminal should be done, he didn't personally threaten the guy he was talking to, and he didn't refer to anything else illegal. He had motive, i.e. he wanted to win the election, but that's not a crime. He was delusional, but again, not a crime.

To overturn an election under Georgia Law. He was told by his advisors and knew there were no real grounds to voter fraud.