Coronavirus COVID-19

[Gil Dobie]

Do they still have beds in Dallas stadium?

Yes. The Cowboys use them on Sunday's during football season.

[Col Hogan]

Texas Stadium was not used...but the Civic Center in Dallas was set up as over-flow...

And that capacity is now gone...the feds who manned it were needed elsewhere as the over-flow was not really used..

Covid positives are up in northern Texas...but is that because of better testing???

Hospitalizations are also up, but not to a critical level yet...

[JohnStOnge]

Texas Stadium was not used...but the Civic Center in Dallas was set up as over-flow...

And that capacity is now gone...the feds who manned it were needed elsewhere as the over-flow was not really used..

Covid positives are up in northern Texas...but is that because of better testing???

Hospitalizations are also up, but not to a critical level yet...

The big thing is that we had better hope that this coronavirus is not as highly seasonal as coronaviruses that commonly infect humans are. See https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 164949.htm. There is the possibility that what we are seeing now is in spite of a seasonal aspect whereby the problem is much less severe during the summer. If that is the case we ain't seen nothing yet because the virus is maintaining a substantial foothold even during the season that is adverse to it.

[SDHornet]

Because it basically sinks all of the fear porn narratives that were circulated since day one...

...and that the shutdowns were a MASSIVE over reaction.

And that it came from WHO.

First of all, we had no information, a quick spreading virus, and a massive amount of deaths (which continue).

Second, the article says that this is preliminary research.

Third, the WHO says more research needs to be done on presymptomatic people (those who are asymptomatic and turn symptomatic).

Fourth, the WHO is still recommending social distancing and masks until things get figured out.

And WHO changes their story again...probably because China told them to. Thank God Trump pulled funding from those fucks.

Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO's technical lead for coronavirus response and head of its emerging diseases and zoonoses unit, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday that "it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual."
But then on Tuesday, during the live Q&A, she clarified "this is a major unknown."
"The majority of transmission that we know about is that people who have symptoms transmit the virus to other people through infectious droplets -- but there are a subset of people who don't develop symptoms, and to truly understand how many people don't have symptoms, we don't actually have that answered yet," Van Kerkhove said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/health/w ... index.html

[kalm]

First of all, we had no information, a quick spreading virus, and a massive amount of deaths (which continue).

Second, the article says that this is preliminary research.

Third, the WHO says more research needs to be done on presymptomatic people (those who are asymptomatic and turn symptomatic).

Fourth, the WHO is still recommending social distancing and masks until things get figured out.

And WHO changes their story again...probably because China told them to. Thank God Trump pulled funding from those fucks.

Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO's technical lead for coronavirus response and head of its emerging diseases and zoonoses unit, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday that "it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual."
But then on Tuesday, during the live Q&A, she clarified "this is a major unknown."
"The majority of transmission that we know about is that people who have symptoms transmit the virus to other people through infectious droplets -- but there are a subset of people who don't develop symptoms, and to truly understand how many people don't have symptoms, we don't actually have that answered yet," Van Kerkhove said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/health/w ... index.html

Yeah...she got beat up pretty good by the scientific community because of a lack of data.

[kalm]

This guy has been fairly solid all along. The heat map is interesting. Buckle up...

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Tomas Pueyo
@tomaspueyo
"When is the 2nd #coronavirus wave coming to the US?"
*Scratches head*
"Um... In some states, it's already here. In others, the 1st one never left."

[SDHornet]

This guy has been fairly solid all along. The heat map is interesting. Buckle up...

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Tomas Pueyo
@tomaspueyo
"When is the 2nd #coronavirus wave coming to the US?"
*Scratches head*
"Um... In some states, it's already here. In others, the 1st one never left."

Cool graphic. It's funny how CA deaths have steady since late April yet we're going into phase 4 of reopening. These fucks have been making it up as they go.

[kalm]

This guy has been fairly solid all along. The heat map is interesting. Buckle up...

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Tomas Pueyo
@tomaspueyo
"When is the 2nd #coronavirus wave coming to the US?"
*Scratches head*
"Um... In some states, it's already here. In others, the 1st one never left."

Cool graphic. It's funny how CA deaths have steady since late April yet we're going into phase 4 of reopening. These fucks have been making it up as they go.

Political pressure will force/sustain reopenings whether they are wise or not.

TTTQ will not work in the US so this will be a rollercoaster or high number of preventable deaths until an effective vaccine.

[SDHornet]

Cool graphic. It's funny how CA deaths have steady since late April yet we're going into phase 4 of reopening. These fucks have been making it up as they go.

Political pressure will force/sustain reopenings whether they are wise or not.

TTTQ will not work in the US so this will be a rollercoaster or high number of preventable deaths until an effective vaccine.

Which tells any sane person that the shutdowns should have never happened.

[kalm]

Political pressure will force/sustain reopenings whether they are wise or not.

TTTQ will not work in the US so this will be a rollercoaster or high number of preventable deaths until an effective vaccine.

Which tells any sane person that the shutdowns should have never happened.

Until places like Arizona and Houston are considering going back to stay at home.

Aside from your willingness to let millions die instead of 100’s of thousands at some point inaction creates a greater economic hardship than no action and dealing with it for years.

[SDHornet]

Which tells any sane person that the shutdowns should have never happened.

Until places like Arizona and Houston are considering going back to stay at home.

Aside from your willingness to let millions die instead of 100’s of thousands at some point inaction creates a greater economic hardship than no action and dealing with it for years.

And where were these concerns when tens of thousands took to the streets to protest/riot/loot? Good luck with any future stay at home orders from here on out.

[kalm]

Until places like Arizona and Houston are considering going back to stay at home.

Aside from your willingness to let millions die instead of 100’s of thousands at some point inaction creates a greater economic hardship than no action and dealing with it for years.

And where were these concerns when tens of thousands took to the streets to protest/riot/loot? Good luck with any future stay at home orders from here on out.

I agree on both counts...which is why it will continue to be a rollercoaster.

[CAA Flagship]

Which tells any sane person that the shutdowns should have never happened.

I don't believe that. Maybe you are saying that there should have been something in between essential businesses staying open and full economy (I believe retail could have opened sooner after seeing how grocery stores were operating).

But not shutting down, based on the information, and lack thereof, at the time would have been similar to fighting a war like the Confederates marching shoulder to shoulder across a Gettysburg field. When surprised by the enemy, you take cover and assess. Then you plan a maneuver and execute it.

I'm not blaming anyone on the decisions they made, or the things they said, at the early times of the spread. That includes Cuomo and Deblasio and Pelosi. I will blame those three for criticizing someone else's response since those three will go down as the worst leaders of the pandemic.

[kalm]

Which tells any sane person that the shutdowns should have never happened.

I don't believe that. Maybe you are saying that there should have been something in between essential businesses staying open and full economy (I believe retail could have opened sooner after seeing how grocery stores were operating).

But not shutting down, based on the information, and lack thereof, at the time would have been similar to fighting a war like the Confederates marching shoulder to shoulder across a Gettysburg field. When surprised by the enemy, you take cover and assess. Then you plan a maneuver and execute it.

I'm not blaming anyone on the decisions they made, or the things they said, at the early times of the spread. That includes Cuomo and Deblasio and Pelosi. I will blame those three for criticizing someone else's response since those three will go down as the worst leaders of the pandemic.

Well said!

[SDHornet]

Which tells any sane person that the shutdowns should have never happened.

I don't believe that. Maybe you are saying that there should have been something in between essential businesses staying open and full economy (I believe retail could have opened sooner after seeing how grocery stores were operating).

But not shutting down, based on the information, and lack thereof, at the time would have been similar to fighting a war like the Confederates marching shoulder to shoulder across a Gettysburg field. When surprised by the enemy, you take cover and assess. Then you plan a maneuver and execute it.

I'm not blaming anyone on the decisions they made, or the things they said, at the early times of the spread. That includes Cuomo and Deblasio and Pelosi. I will blame those three for criticizing someone else's response since those three will go down as the worst leaders of the pandemic.

Outside of getting safeguards in for the vulnerable (retirement communities, extra protocols at hospitals, etc) the whole thing was a waste. Ok we bent the curve, which apparently now means nothing according to some of the fear porn narratives circulating.

The shutdown was a knee jerk reaction due to fear and now its obvious nothing has changing until a vaccine/treatments are developed. Literally nothing has changed. The Chinese Flu is nowhere near as deadly as the "experts" claimed it would be. Now it's not the flu, it's worse but its not the catastrophic virus that will kill millions of American.

[kalm]

I don't believe that. Maybe you are saying that there should have been something in between essential businesses staying open and full economy (I believe retail could have opened sooner after seeing how grocery stores were operating).

But not shutting down, based on the information, and lack thereof, at the time would have been similar to fighting a war like the Confederates marching shoulder to shoulder across a Gettysburg field. When surprised by the enemy, you take cover and assess. Then you plan a maneuver and execute it.

I'm not blaming anyone on the decisions they made, or the things they said, at the early times of the spread. That includes Cuomo and Deblasio and Pelosi. I will blame those three for criticizing someone else's response since those three will go down as the worst leaders of the pandemic.

Outside of getting safeguards in for the vulnerable (retirement communities, extra protocols at hospitals, etc) the whole thing was a waste. Ok we bent the curve, which apparently now means nothing according to some of the fear porn narratives circulating.

The shutdown was a knee jerk reaction due to fear and now its obvious nothing has changing until a vaccine/treatments are developed. Literally nothing has changed. The Chinese Flu is nowhere near as deadly as the "experts" claimed it would be. Now it's not the flu, it's worse but its not the catastrophic virus that will kill millions of American.

You mean the same safeguards that prevented a shit ton more deaths since March? Man are you stubborn on this...

While some countries have successfully addressed the health crisis, others appear ill-equipped to prevent its spread. The lack of testing, resources, manpower, medication, and facilities to handle diagnosed cases might be the biggest factors contributing to increased transmissions. On the other hand, another likely reason is the sheer disregard of individuals to follow safety directives. Currently, 7.27 million cases have been recorded worldwide. What's alarming is that 2.06 million are from the United States alone.

Hence, medical experts are concerned as to why lockdowns have been eased in the country despite no clear evidence that the infection rates have gone down. Moreover, the nationwide protests against racial injustice following the death of George Floyd in police custody may have contributed to even more transmissions. Images and videos of these rallies clearly show the absence of social distancing and lack of personal protective equipment such as face shields or surgical masks.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/google-search ... nt-1679500

[SDHornet]

Outside of getting safeguards in for the vulnerable (retirement communities, extra protocols at hospitals, etc) the whole thing was a waste. Ok we bent the curve, which apparently now means nothing according to some of the fear porn narratives circulating.

The shutdown was a knee jerk reaction due to fear and now its obvious nothing has changing until a vaccine/treatments are developed. Literally nothing has changed. The Chinese Flu is nowhere near as deadly as the "experts" claimed it would be. Now it's not the flu, it's worse but its not the catastrophic virus that will kill millions of American.

You mean the same safeguards that prevented a shit ton more deaths since March? Man are you stubborn on this...

While some countries have successfully addressed the health crisis, others appear ill-equipped to prevent its spread. The lack of testing, resources, manpower, medication, and facilities to handle diagnosed cases might be the biggest factors contributing to increased transmissions. On the other hand, another likely reason is the sheer disregard of individuals to follow safety directives. Currently, 7.27 million cases have been recorded worldwide. What's alarming is that 2.06 million are from the United States alone.

Hence, medical experts are concerned as to why lockdowns have been eased in the country despite no clear evidence that the infection rates have gone down. Moreover, the nationwide protests against racial injustice following the death of George Floyd in police custody may have contributed to even more transmissions. Images and videos of these rallies clearly show the absence of social distancing and lack of personal protective equipment such as face shields or surgical masks.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/google-search ... nt-1679500

You mean those same safeguards that put 42M+ people out of a job?

[kalm]

You mean the same safeguards that prevented a shit ton more deaths since March? Man are you stubborn on this...





https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/google-search ... nt-1679500

You mean those same safeguards that put 42M+ people out of a job?

Capitalism, baby!

[SDHornet]

You mean those same safeguards that put 42M+ people out of a job?

Capitalism, baby!

CA is opening back up today (phase 4 I think, so gyms and salons, etc). You should write Gov Newsom a letter about how wrong he is.

[Gil Dobie]

Latest research says mask, along with social distancing and hand washing are the best way to stop this from spreading to a vulnerable person.

[kalm]

Capitalism, baby!

CA is opening back up today (phase 4 I think, so gyms and salons, etc). You should write Gov Newsom a letter about how wrong he is.

And NC is considering reinstating stay at home.

[kalm]

A good explanation of “R” and why we’ll at the best plateau as a nation with some locations continuing to rollercoaster or go down due to social distancing, masks, and population density.

Treatment improvements can also play a roll. But this is still the first wave for most places.

So why is the U.S. stuck in a coronavirus plateau despite months of widespread social distancing? To explain, it helps to get a bit technical. The key indicator at issue is what's called the "reproduction number" of the coronavirus — or the R for short — essentially a proxy for how powerfully infection is spreading in your community. It tells you, for each individual who is infected, how many other people this person will go on to infect. When the reproduction number is above 1, case counts will spiral upward exponentially. When it gets to well below 1 and stays there, outbreaks subside.

Which States Are Reopening? A State-By-State Guide
For example, if the reproduction number is 2, then one person goes on to infect two others. Those two people go on to infect four others. Those four go on to infect eight, then 16 and so on. If you assume, say, a six-day interval between each new round of infections — in just over a month, that one initial person will have launched a chain that has infected 127 people.

Most estimates are that early this year, when no measures were being taken to keep the coronavirus in check, the reproduction number in the U.S. was above 2.

The stay-at-home measures and other social distancing efforts that states undertook this spring served to push the reproduction number to slightly below 1 — to 0.91, according to an estimate by Youyang Gu, an independent modeler whose work is highly respected.

This halted the upward spiral of cases. But because the reproduction number was still so close to 1, the curve of new infections never really bent sharply downward. Essentially most of the U.S. reached a kind of steady state — with each infected person passing the virus on to one new person in a regular drip-drip of new infections and new deaths.

Now that states have opened up, the reproduction number has started to creep back up above 1. According to Gu's analysis, that is now the case in more than two-thirds of the states.

So far, at least, the reproduction number has been hovering at just above 1. Assuming that remains the case, the U.S. won't see the kind of runaway run-up in cases that was so alarming in New York. But it does mean cases and deaths will continue to accrue steadily.

"If things stay basically status quo and we continue doing what we're doing, we're going to continue seeing 25,000 to 30,000 additional deaths a month for the foreseeable future," Jha says.


Parkland Memorial Hospital employees give instructions to a man and a woman on how to self-administer a test for the coronavirus at a Dallas walk-up facility. Texas saw a surge in cases within the past week.

Grim as it is, even this picture may be overly rosy, Jha adds. "I'm worried that the idea that we're going to stay flat all summer is a very optimistic view of what is going to happen over the next three months," he says.

To maintain a reproduction number that's just over 1, or better yet, push it back to just under 1, even in the midst of further re-opening "would take a lot of work," Jha says. "You'd have to have really substantially ramped-up testing and isolation [of new cases]." There's also evidence emerging that widespread use of masks by people when they are out in public could help, Jha notes. Unfortunately, he says, it is hard to envision the U.S. adopting any of these practices to a sufficient degree "based on where we are today

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... Qf-KxKwrTM

[Gil Dobie]

Been hearing some in the medical profession saying if everyone wore mask in public buildings, social distanced and washing hands, this virus would be gone from this country in the near future, without further lock downs.

But it's a democrat hoax, just the flu, where they inflate numbers, promote fear and are Trump haters.

[AZGrizFan]

I don't believe that. Maybe you are saying that there should have been something in between essential businesses staying open and full economy (I believe retail could have opened sooner after seeing how grocery stores were operating).

But not shutting down, based on the information, and lack thereof, at the time would have been similar to fighting a war like the Confederates marching shoulder to shoulder across a Gettysburg field. When surprised by the enemy, you take cover and assess. Then you plan a maneuver and execute it.

I'm not blaming anyone on the decisions they made, or the things they said, at the early times of the spread. That includes Cuomo and Deblasio and Pelosi. I will blame those three for criticizing someone else's response since those three will go down as the worst leaders of the pandemic.

Well said!

What if, while you’re “taking cover and assessing”, you destroy every firearm and cannon you had with you?

Because that’s the equivalent of what we did in this country.

[AZGrizFan]

CA is opening back up today (phase 4 I think, so gyms and salons, etc). You should write Gov Newsom a letter about how wrong he is.

And NC is considering reinstating stay at home.

There’s no fucking palatable reason for ANY person to stay home now that the rioters have been allowed to go unchecked for weeks now.

I’d tell any governor/mayor to go pound sand and open my business.