Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

The virus doesn’t care.

Agreed. We're living with this thing from here on out. Does no good to try and hide from it.

Other than saving lives and getting back to a sustainable functioning economy sooner.

[SDHornet]

Agreed. We're living with this thing from here on out. Does no good to try and hide from it.

Other than saving lives and getting back to a sustainable functioning economy sooner.

Saving what lives? The ones impacted from the prolonged shutdown? Or those in the 65+ age group and those with immune system deficiencies who should otherwise have their own precautions in place?

[Gil Dobie]

Other than saving lives and getting back to a sustainable functioning economy sooner.

Saving what lives? The ones impacted from the prolonged shutdown? Or those in the 65+ age group and those with immune system deficiencies who should otherwise have their own precautions in place?

Unless they get to a point where they say we are not treating anyone over 60, and then they say 55, and then they say 50.

[kalm]

Other than saving lives and getting back to a sustainable functioning economy sooner.

Saving what lives? The ones impacted from the prolonged shutdown? Or those in the 65+ age group and those with immune system deficiencies who should otherwise have their own precautions in place?

So no one under 65 has died or been down a month with illness or quarantined for 14 days?

Even IF you were correct there are industries like mine that rely heavily on people over 65. But fuck Golden Corral and blue hair beauty parlors...amirite?

[SDHornet]

Saving what lives? The ones impacted from the prolonged shutdown? Or those in the 65+ age group and those with immune system deficiencies who should otherwise have their own precautions in place?

So no one under 65 has died or been down a month with illness or quarantined for 14 days?

Even IF you were correct there are industries like mine that rely heavily on people over 65. But fuck Golden Corral and blue hair beauty parlors...amirite?

Of course there has been, but those are outliers. Go ahead and look at the data yourself.

And what do business that cater to old people have to do with this? How dare you think the economy is more important than lives.

[kalm]

So no one under 65 has died or been down a month with illness or quarantined for 14 days?

Even IF you were correct there are industries like mine that rely heavily on people over 65. But fuck Golden Corral and blue hair beauty parlors...amirite?

Of course there has been, but those are outliers. Go ahead and look at the data yourself.

And what do business that cater to old people have to do with this? How dare you think the economy is more important than lives.

As infected rates continue to increase people stay home more and the economic effects are drawn out longer. It’s not that hard, SD.

[UNI88]

Of course there has been, but those are outliers. Go ahead and look at the data yourself.

And what do business that cater to old people have to do with this? How dare you think the economy is more important than lives.

As infected rates continue to increase people stay home more and the economic effects are drawn out longer. It’s not that hard, SD.

How much are infection rates increasing? What baseline are you comparing them to? The number of people being tested is higher in June than it was in May and May was higher than April. Comparing infection rates as testing increases is inherently flawed.

And I do think actual infections are increasing in some places that opened up too much too quickly or where there were unrestrained demonstrations I just don't think you can honestly compare today's numbers to last months because of the difference in tests given.

And you complain about fvcking "Golden Corral and blue hair beauty parlors" but you would rather fvck the entire economy. Why not carefully open some things back up and ask those most at risk to take steps to protect themselves. This will reduce the need for government assistance.

Why can't we balance the competing interests?

[Gil Dobie]

Key to balancing COVID and opening up completely.

face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing,

But nobody will follow that protocol, so the epidemic will last longer than it had to, and the economy will tank more that it had to.

[UNI88]

Key to balancing COVID and opening up completely.

face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing,

But nobody will follow that protocol, so the epidemic will last longer than it had to, and the economy will tank more that it had to.

That is the nature of our society and our leaders fvcked this up when they tried to be authoritarians and make the preventative measures mandatory rather than appealing to patriotism and concern for the well-being of others. It became a partisan, us-vs-them situation with clear dividing lines.

[Gil Dobie]

Key to balancing COVID and opening up completely.

face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing,

But nobody will follow that protocol, so the epidemic will last longer than it had to, and the economy will tank more that it had to.

That is the nature of our society and our leaders fvcked this up when they tried to be authoritarians and make the preventative measures mandatory rather than appealing to patriotism and concern for the well-being of others. It became a partisan, us-vs-them situation with clear dividing lines.

Pretty much spot on.

[SDHornet]

Key to balancing COVID and opening up completely.

face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing,

But nobody will follow that protocol, so the epidemic will last longer than it had to, and the economy will tank more that it had to.

That is the nature of our society and our leaders fvcked this up when they tried to be authoritarians and make the preventative measures mandatory rather than appealing to patriotism and concern for the well-being of others. It became a partisan, us-vs-them situation with clear dividing lines.

Yep. Just wait until these same leaders try to tell everyone to stay home again after openly encouraging and engaging in protests that advocated none of the health guidelines they were pimping for the last 3 months.

[AZGrizFan]

Key to balancing COVID and opening up completely.

face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing,

But nobody will follow that protocol, so the epidemic will last longer than it had to, and the economy will tank more that it had to.

That is the nature of our society and our leaders fvcked this up when they tried to be authoritarians and make the preventative measures mandatory rather than appealing to patriotism and concern for the well-being of others. It became a partisan, us-vs-them situation with clear dividing lines.

And then they double-down fucked up when they flipped and openly encouraged protests and riots to “honor” George Floyd, suddenly without a shred of concern for preventative measures and social distancing protocols. They exposed themselves for the massive hypocrites that they are in the span of about 7 days. Then it became a partisan smart-vs-stupid situation with clear dividing lines.

[Gil Dobie]

That is the nature of our society and our leaders fvcked this up when they tried to be authoritarians and make the preventative measures mandatory rather than appealing to patriotism and concern for the well-being of others. It became a partisan, us-vs-them situation with clear dividing lines.

And then they double-down fucked up when they flipped and openly encouraged protests and riots to “honor” George Floyd, suddenly without a shred of concern for preventative measures and social distancing protocols. They exposed themselves for the massive hypocrites that they are in the span of about 7 days. Then it became a partisan smart-vs-stupid situation with clear dividing lines.

I'd have to say dumb and dumber and dumbest from the protest, riots and looting to the protest for opening the country. You can triple stamp a double stamp in this case.

[kalm]

As infected rates continue to increase people stay home more and the economic effects are drawn out longer. It’s not that hard, SD.

How much are infection rates increasing? What baseline are you comparing them to? The number of people being tested is higher in June than it was in May and May was higher than April. Comparing infection rates as testing increases is inherently flawed.

And I do think actual infections are increasing in some places that opened up too much too quickly or where there were unrestrained demonstrations I just don't think you can honestly compare today's numbers to last months because of the difference in tests given.

And you complain about fvcking "Golden Corral and blue hair beauty parlors" but you would rather fvck the entire economy. Why not carefully open some things back up and ask those most at risk to take steps to protect themselves. This will reduce the need for government assistance.

Why can't we balance the competing interests?

Do you really want me to provide the actual numbers? I can. and we’re not alone...India Russia, and Brazil are right there with us. We’ve been through all of this before. It’s a deadly disease that spreads well. Number of total deaths and lost productivity due to illness vs hope that we can fully reopen remains the question.

But none of this really matters as policy makers will react regardless of whether they’re proactive or forced to be reactive. Many people will stay isolated depending on the perceived threat.

Gil hit the nail on the head right below your post.

[CAA Flagship]

Key to balancing COVID and opening up completely.

face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing,

But nobody will follow that protocol, so the epidemic will last longer than it had to, and the economy will tank more that it had to.

That is the nature of our society and our leaders fvcked this up when they tried to be authoritarians and make the preventative measures mandatory rather than appealing to patriotism and concern for the well-being of others. It became a partisan, us-vs-them situation with clear dividing lines.

What exactly are you talking about here?

[kalm]

That is the nature of our society and our leaders fvcked this up when they tried to be authoritarians and make the preventative measures mandatory rather than appealing to patriotism and concern for the well-being of others. It became a partisan, us-vs-them situation with clear dividing lines.

What exactly are you talking about here?

If leaders would have just asked more nicely and let people choose do their thing we’d be in better shape.

[Gil Dobie]

What exactly are you talking about here?

If leaders would have just asked more nicely and let people choose do their thing we’d be in better shape.

Or Trump and Biden or Pelosi on the same stage with the same message.

[kalm]

If leaders would have just asked more nicely and let people choose do their thing we’d be in better shape.

Or Trump and Biden or Pelosi on the same stage with the same message.

And McConnell. Theres some truth here.

[CAA Flagship]

Or Trump and Biden or Pelosi on the same stage with the same message.

And McConnell. Theres some truth here.

Biden is not informed, nor is he the official Dem candidate yet. He has no place in any of this. Not now, and not then.

[Gil Dobie]

And McConnell. Theres some truth here.

Biden is not informed, nor is he the official Dem candidate yet. He has no place in any of this. Not now, and not then.

That's fine, it was just an example of what should have been.

[UNI88]

How much are infection rates increasing? What baseline are you comparing them to? The number of people being tested is higher in June than it was in May and May was higher than April. Comparing infection rates as testing increases is inherently flawed.

And I do think actual infections are increasing in some places that opened up too much too quickly or where there were unrestrained demonstrations I just don't think you can honestly compare today's numbers to last months because of the difference in tests given.

And you complain about fvcking "Golden Corral and blue hair beauty parlors" but you would rather fvck the entire economy. Why not carefully open some things back up and ask those most at risk to take steps to protect themselves. This will reduce the need for government assistance.

Why can't we balance competing interests?

Do you really want me to provide the actual numbers? I can. and we’re not alone...India Russia, and Brazil are right there with us. We’ve been through all of this before. It’s a deadly disease that spreads well. Number of total deaths and lost productivity due to illness vs hope that we can fully reopen remains the question.

But none of this really matters as policy makers will react regardless of whether they’re proactive or forced to be reactive. Many people will stay isolated depending on the perceived threat.

Gil hit the nail on the head right below your post.

Did you read my post or pull a JSO and use it as a reason to stand on your soapbox while ignoring the gist?

First, I actually said that I think actual cases (not reported cases but real cases) are increasing but I questioned the use of (reported) infection rates. The testing methodology is changing so there is no firm baseline to compare reported infection rates.

Second, how can someone who wants to restrict all non-essential businesses complain about fvcking "Golden Corral and blue hair beauty parlors" by focusing on those most at risk? It's ok to fvck everyone but not just "Golden Corral and blue hair beauty parlors" and similar businesses?



Let's just wait here until the epidemiologists tell us it's safe to come up. The government can "borrow from the future" to sustain us and we'll complain about it and blame it on the government "funneling money upwards and restricting the mobility of entire swaths of people" later.

[kalm]

Do you really want me to provide the actual numbers? I can. and we’re not alone...India Russia, and Brazil are right there with us. We’ve been through all of this before. It’s a deadly disease that spreads well. Number of total deaths and lost productivity due to illness vs hope that we can fully reopen remains the question.

But none of this really matters as policy makers will react regardless of whether they’re proactive or forced to be reactive. Many people will stay isolated depending on the perceived threat.

Gil hit the nail on the head right below your post.

Did you read my post or pull a JSO and use it as a reason to stand on your soapbox while ignoring the gist?

First, I actually said that I think actual cases (not reported cases but real cases) are increasing but I questioned the use of (reported) infection rates. The testing methodology is changing so there is no firm baseline to compare reported infection rates.

Second, how can someone who wants to restrict all non-essential businesses complain about fvcking "Golden Corral and blue hair beauty parlors" by focusing on those most at risk? It's ok to fvck everyone but not just "Golden Corral and blue hair beauty parlors" and similar businesses?



Let's just wait here until the epidemiologists tell us it's safe to come up. The government can "borrow from the future" to sustain us and we'll complain about it and blame it on the government "funneling money upwards and restricting the mobility of entire swaths of people" later.

Oh for fucks sake...the Golden Corral bit was satirical.

Here’s a guy who supports your views on leadership leading us through this...

"They are not wearing face masks, they're not sanitizing their hands, they're not maintaining social distancing," he added. "And as a result, they are contracting COVID-19 at a record pace in the state of Texas."

Texas has seen a significant increase in infections as the state continues to reopen. Over 14,000 new COVID-19 cases were reported over the past week, with 2,504 cases, the largest single-day increase, being recorded on Wednesday.

Hospitalizations have also been steadily rising, with the state reporting a total of 2,326 people in hospitals due to COVID-19 as of Monday.

The governor called the increases a "reason for concern," while insisting they were "not reason for alarm." He cautioned residents who refuse to follow public health guidelines that they are exposing themselves to increased risks of contracting the virus.

"It is still here," Abbott said. "Until we have medicines that can treat it, you are putting your own life on the line if you go out and do not follow these safe practices, you're increasing the probability that you will get COVID-19."

Abbott said residents could be taking the health threat less seriously for a number of reasons, including the summer arriving and recreational activities opening up. He said that the pandemic requires that people do not treat typical summer activities, such as going to the beach, as they might in more normal times.

"We believe that a lot of people have let down their guard," the governor told KLBK. "The summer's here. Things are opening up. They feel like they can go out without having to wear a face mask

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-gov-greg ... 1592259726

[AZGrizFan]

Remember....the whole point was to flatten the curve. We’ve done that. And with protocols in place, we continue to do that as a country.

Move along.

[kalm]

Remember....the whole point was to flatten the curve. We’ve done that. And with protocols in place, we continue to do that as a country.

Move along.

Have we?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Yes

Men stopped caring about this in November 2019

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