Coronavirus COVID-19

[Gil Dobie]

It was a lie. Fauci has even basically admitted it.

Since when have you cared about lying?

Fauci Lied and People Died

[HI54UNI]

Not really. If the so called experts hadn't said until late March/early April or whenever it was that masks weren't necessary, and if nursing homes had been properly taken care of (mostly in the northeast ex PA about 60% deaths) then we wouldn't have had nearly as many cases or deaths.

Even experts make mistakes - especially when faced with something new.

I'll cut the experts some slack on the something new except when it comes to nursing homes. They shut nursing homes down all the time during flu season. Why weren't they shut down when this started? And then forcing nursing homes to take residents with Covid 19 doubled down on the failure to protect the elderly.

[UNI88]

It was a lie. Fauci has even basically admitted it.

Since when have you cared about lying?

Lying is wrong. Unless Trump is doing it, then lying is more than acceptable.

[Ibanez]

Even experts make mistakes - especially when faced with something new.

I'll cut the experts some slack on the something new except when it comes to nursing homes. They shut nursing homes down all the time during flu season. Why weren't they shut down when this started? And then forcing nursing homes to take residents with Covid 19 doubled down on the failure to protect the elderly.

Right. The nursing homes should've been shut don early. that's a no brainer

[BDKJMU]

It was a lie. Fauci has even basically admitted it.

Since when have you cared about lying?

Ok, you're cool with Fauci lying about the masks. Got it.

[UNI88]

Since when have you cared about lying?

Ok, you're cool with Fauci lying about the masks. Got it.

Says the poster who is cool with Trump lying about ... well, almost everything.

Lying was not the right way to go about it but attempting to prioritize masks for medical staff was not a bad idea.

[JohnStOnge]

Since when have you cared about lying?

Ok, you're cool with Fauci lying about the masks. Got it.

Fauci did not lie about the masks. You can see in the video below that he was thinking in terms of masks not protecting the person wearing it. He started off the interview by saying that people who are infected should wear them to keep from spreading the infection to others. He gave that interview prior to the point at which it was decided that people without symptoms could spread the disease.



The outlook changed when the belief became that the disease could be spread by people without symptoms. Then they recommended that everybody wear masks in case they were infected. It's completely consistent with the idea of infected people wearing masks so as to avoid spreading the disease to others.

[Gil Dobie]

Ok, you're cool with Fauci lying about the masks. Got it.

Fauci did not lie about the masks. You can see in the video below that he was thinking in terms of masks not protecting the person wearing it. He started off the interview by saying that people who are infected should wear them to keep from spreading the infection to others. He gave that interview prior to the point at which it was decided that people without symptoms could spread the disease.



The outlook changed when the belief became that the disease could be spread by people without symptoms. Then they recommended that everybody wear masks in case they were infected. It's completely consistent with the idea of infected people wearing masks so as to avoid spreading the disease to others.

In the BDK link, Fauci admitted lying.

[SDHornet]

America!!! Fuck yeah!!!

If you are under the age of 50 and have no immune system issues, you'll only have like a 98.9% chance of surviving the Chinese Flu if you catch it.

That’s not the point, SD. The point is to avoid proliferation so those who are vulnerable are not at continual risk. You may not be sick but you are spreading it around.

And again, we’re talking about wearing masks, cleaning your dick beaters, and staying 6 feet away from people - and then we go back to normal. And its just basic consideration.

I know it works because I’ve seen it first hand.


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Cry me a fucking river alongside kalm and gil. And I've never had an issue with wearing a mask in indoor areas with a group of people. But kiss my ass on shutting everything down though. Time to open everything up with the proper protocols in place. Those at risk can keep their asses home.

[SDHornet]

Since when have you cared about lying?

Fauci Lied and People Died

And China and WHO.. Fuck them too.

[kalm]

That’s not the point, SD. The point is to avoid proliferation so those who are vulnerable are not at continual risk. You may not be sick but you are spreading it around.

And again, we’re talking about wearing masks, cleaning your dick beaters, and staying 6 feet away from people - and then we go back to normal. And its just basic consideration.

I know it works because I’ve seen it first hand.


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Cry me a fucking river alongside kalm and gil. And I've never had an issue with wearing a mask in indoor areas with a group of people. But kiss my ass on shutting everything down though. Time to open everything up with the proper protocols in place. Those at risk can keep their asses home.

Good plan!

Union County in eastern Oregon is now battling the single largest outbreak of COVID-19 yet in Oregon, according to state public health officials.

The outbreak has spread among the congregation of the Lighthouse Pentecostal Church in Island City, just east of La Grande. Of 365 church members tested, 236 returned positive for COVID-19, according to Dr. Tom Jeanne, deputy state epidemiologist.

Jeanne suggested that the timeline of the outbreak — with so many people testing positive simultaneously — indicated that the primary transmission likely occurred between church members and not as part of broader community spread.

https://www.opb.org/news/article/easter ... -outbreak/

[SDHornet]

Cry me a fucking river alongside kalm and gil. And I've never had an issue with wearing a mask in indoor areas with a group of people. But kiss my ass on shutting everything down though. Time to open everything up with the proper protocols in place. Those at risk can keep their asses home.

Good plan!

Union County in eastern Oregon is now battling the single largest outbreak of COVID-19 yet in Oregon, according to state public health officials.

The outbreak has spread among the congregation of the Lighthouse Pentecostal Church in Island City, just east of La Grande. Of 365 church members tested, 236 returned positive for COVID-19, according to Dr. Tom Jeanne, deputy state epidemiologist.

Jeanne suggested that the timeline of the outbreak — with so many people testing positive simultaneously — indicated that the primary transmission likely occurred between church members and not as part of broader community spread.

https://www.opb.org/news/article/easter ... -outbreak/

Yawn. How many are in the hopsital?

[kalm]

Good plan!



https://www.opb.org/news/article/easter ... -outbreak/

Yawn. How many are in the hopsital?

5. How many are quarantined and/or sick? 14 days quarantine. 28 days recovery time.

[CID1990]

That’s not the point, SD. The point is to avoid proliferation so those who are vulnerable are not at continual risk. You may not be sick but you are spreading it around.

And again, we’re talking about wearing masks, cleaning your dick beaters, and staying 6 feet away from people - and then we go back to normal. And its just basic consideration.

I know it works because I’ve seen it first hand.

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Agreed, but it didn't help that our so called experts for the 1st month said you didn't need masks.

I don't think most people if being explained to why, and asked to wear a mask indoors around other people as a sense of patriotic duty, stay 6 feet apart, have a problem of doing that. Its the
-being told masks are mandated by law.
-being told stay at home is mandated by law.
-the complete arbitrary and capricious nature of the shutdown of certain businesses, while others were allowed to remain open, without adequate redress for business owners & employees (antiquated unemployment systems swamped & delays on processing claims & getting people $$).
the threatening of people who violated the above (while at the same time turning a blind eye to the BLM protesters who violated the above) that has angered lots of people & caused them to rebel.

Correct - the CDC was way behind the power curve on that. And it is arguable that some of the responsibility for the community spread in the US lies with CDC and other outlets that said masks weren’t necessary

But - the beauty of simple, personal mitigation measures is that it is never too late to implement them. And, it is something real, concrete, and effective that each person can do to help their neighbors and fellow citizens, right now. Think of it as buying a war bond in 1942.

We can halt the spread whether there are 1000 people with it or 1 million. What CDC was saying in March was immaterial now


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[SDHornet]

Yawn. How many are in the hopsital?

5. How many are quarantined and/or sick? 14 days quarantine. 28 days recovery time.

Yawn.

[CAA Flagship]

Fauci Lied and People Died

And China and WHO.. Fuck them too.

What about the Designated Hitter?

[kalm]

5. How many are quarantined and/or sick? 14 days quarantine. 28 days recovery time.

Yawn.

Over 80% of U.S. businesses have 20 employees or less. How many could afford to lose 75% of their workers for two weeks? Or 4 weeks?

Or are you suggesting we don’t quarantine people who test positive?

[kalm]

This another thing the Swedish experiment is teaching us. Even if restrictions are less a bunch of the workforce will voluntarily practice stay at home which further drives down spending on fuel, auto repair, at convenience stores and restaurants, and other service sector businesses.

Half of American professionals are reluctant to go back to the office, citing health concerns, even as state and local governments begin to lift lockdown orders, giving more workers the green light to return to their workplaces, according to a new survey from Korn Ferry, a consulting firm. The Korn Ferry survey took place in early June and includes responses from 1,044 professionals.

Limiting the number of people in a given office at the same time, by staggering shifts, is also key. Even without those efforts, workplaces could thin out since less than a third of survey respondents said they plan to return to their reopened offices.

It's unlikely to be a point of contention between workers and their bosses: Forty percent of survey respondents said their employer will not force them to return to the office

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/half-ameri ... -concerns/

[CAA Flagship]

This another thing the Swedish experiment is teaching us. Even if restrictions are less a bunch of the workforce will voluntarily practice stay at home which further drives down spending on fuel, auto repair, at convenience stores and restaurants, and other service sector businesses.

Thank God for Sweden. We would have never figured that out on our own.

[Winterborn]

Well, I’m leaving Thailand in 2 weeks.

Thailand was the first country outside China to have the virus. Thailand’s tourist economy is hugely dependent on the Chinese, and at the time of the outbreak there were hundreds of thousands of Chinese tourists here.

Social distancing and mask wearing went into effect immediately, along with shutting down nonessential businesses.

Thailand stopped the virus in its tracks. In a country of 70 million, we have had less than 3000 total cases. We have less than 60 deaths. Initially, the curve here was steepening and we even had a couple cases at the embassy. Now, ALL of the active cases are with Thais returning home from abroad, and all people who arrive in country are immediately quarantined.

Thailand now has zero community spread. Literally all of the 100 or so active cases are in quarantine. Everything pretty much reopened 2-3 weeks ago, with distancing and mask rules in place. Asians are generally considerate so this is not a huge deal. No large gatherings or events.

Back in NC, where my dad is in hospice care and my elderly mother is taking care of him, the Altamahaw race track had a couple big events over the last week or so. Nobody distancing, few masks to be seen, it is like nobody gives a damn.

It is surreal to be leaving an Asian country where I have no concern about this virus, and coming back to America where at least 50% of the population seems to have lost its fucking mind. 90% of beating this thing is simply taking personal precautions... distancing, hygiene, masks. That’s it. And it is just simple consideration for your fellow citizens who are more vulnerable. Do those things, and the infection rate eventually drops off to where things can reopen. Thailand has already reopened and believe me when I say, Thailand is a backwards ass country in many respects. But they have consideration for others, particularly their elders, and social distancing was seen as a filial, patriotic duty.

From a distance, we Americans look petulant and disrespectful with no sense of duty, and infection rates reflect that.

I was ruminating on your post last night, while drinking a beer and watching the thunderstorms roll in, and your contrast between Asian countries and America got me to thinking about cultural differences.

Asian countries populations culturally think very much on a group setting (family, city, country, race) while American culture is very individualistic. In a pandemic thinking about others and your impact is a good thing for reasons we all know and the opposite just helps contribute to the spread or damage being caused.

Now in a non-pandemic situation, being individualistic is a strength. It leads to entrepreneurship, inventions, and other areas ideas that benefit society in the long run. What was our greatest strength is now our weakness and vice-versa.

[UNI88]

This another thing the Swedish experiment is teaching us. Even if restrictions are less a bunch of the workforce will voluntarily practice stay at home which further drives down spending on fuel, auto repair, at convenience stores and restaurants, and other service sector businesses.

Half of American professionals are reluctant to go back to the office, citing health concerns, even as state and local governments begin to lift lockdown orders, giving more workers the green light to return to their workplaces, according to a new survey from Korn Ferry, a consulting firm. The Korn Ferry survey took place in early June and includes responses from 1,044 professionals.

Limiting the number of people in a given office at the same time, by staggering shifts, is also key. Even without those efforts, workplaces could thin out since less than a third of survey respondents said they plan to return to their reopened offices.

It's unlikely to be a point of contention between workers and their bosses: Forty percent of survey respondents said their employer will not force them to return to the office

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/half-ameri ... -concerns/

Are you implying that people voluntarily staying home and hurting the economy is a bad thing but the government requiring people to stay home and hurting the economy is ok?

Employers do not want the liability, they will find and implement ways to mitigate the risks. There will be staggered shifts and people will continue to telecommute.

[kalm]

This another thing the Swedish experiment is teaching us. Even if restrictions are less a bunch of the workforce will voluntarily practice stay at home which further drives down spending on fuel, auto repair, at convenience stores and restaurants, and other service sector businesses.



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/half-ameri ... -concerns/

Are you implying that people voluntarily staying home and hurting the economy is a bad thing but the government requiring people to stay home and hurting the economy is ok?

Employers do not want the liability, they will find and implement ways to mitigate the risks. There will be staggered shifts and people will continue to telecommute.

Opening too early without TTTQ or a vaccine can potentially have a worse effect on the economy than crushing the spread through phased in measures. It can also necessitate more bailouts. Patience is a virtue. See CID’s post.

[GannonFan]

Are you implying that people voluntarily staying home and hurting the economy is a bad thing but the government requiring people to stay home and hurting the economy is ok?

Employers do not want the liability, they will find and implement ways to mitigate the risks. There will be staggered shifts and people will continue to telecommute.

Opening too early without TTTQ or a vaccine can potentially have a worse effect on the economy than crushing the spread through phased in measures. It can also necessitate more bailouts. Patience is a virtue. See CID’s post.

CID's post was what we've been saying here for almost 2 months - wash your hands, wear a mask, don't get too close to people for long periods of time, and we'll be fine. This isn't complicated, and we could be doing those things in pretty much every aspect of life now for the past 2 months and we'd be fine. Politics have gotten in the way of the simplicity of this, and the incompetence from the White House all the way down to mayors and local control haven't helped either.

[kalm]

Opening too early without TTTQ or a vaccine can potentially have a worse effect on the economy than crushing the spread through phased in measures. It can also necessitate more bailouts. Patience is a virtue. See CID’s post.

CID's post was what we've been saying here for almost 2 months - wash your hands, wear a mask, don't get too close to people for long periods of time, and we'll be fine. This isn't complicated, and we could be doing those things in pretty much every aspect of life now for the past 2 months and we'd be fine. Politics have gotten in the way of the simplicity of this, and the incompetence from the White House all the way down to mayors and local control haven't helped either.

I agree. The protests are another good example of the politics.

What’s the over/under percentage of masks being worn indoors at the Tulsa Trump rally?

If everyone is wearing a mask are they big giant pussies for believing the hoax or freedom loving ‘Muricans who’ve made the right choice on their own?

[Skjellyfetti]

Multiple Florida Hospitals Run Out of ICU Beds as Coronavirus Cases Spike

As Florida health officials report another record single-day increase in cases of the novel coronavirus, new data shows hospitals across the state have filled most or all available beds in their respective intensive care units.

Numerous Florida medical facilities reported dwindling ICU bed availability on Thursday, with several reporting no availability at all, according to the latest report published by Florida's Agency for Health Care Administration (AHCA). Palm Beach County was among those statewide regions where the availability of beds was most scarce. An accompanying report from AHCA shows about 75 percent of available hospital beds statewide are currently occupied.

The AHCA's data showed two of Palm Beach County's 17 hospitals have already filled all ICU beds, while several other medical centers reported limited availability. One hospital in Miami-Dade County has also reached its ICU bed capacity as of Thursday, and the majority of hospitals have filled more than half of beds in intensive care units. Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties have reported two of Florida's most severe local virus outbreaks.

https://www.newsweek.com/multiple-flori ... ssion=true